Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Sandikan said:
At the end of the day, you're suggesting Lukaku wouldn't score more than Ibra.
Even though Lukaku scored 25 in the league and Ibra scored 17.
Even if you give him this extra 7 goals, he's still on fewer league goals for a worse team.
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What I'm suggesting is Ibra scored 28 and would have scored another 4-6 without the injury. Anyone expecting Lukaku to come into the club and score more than 35 goals in his first season because apparently he (and any other striker) would have scored 5-10 more than Zlatan is being ridiculous. Anyone thinking Lukaku is going to walk into the side and get 35-40 goals is insane and making the pressure on him even greater than it will be.

If Lukaku ends next season on 28 goals he'll have done fantastic.
 
Ixion said:
What I'm suggesting is Ibra scored 28 and would have scored another 4-6 without the injury. Anyone expecting Lukaku to come into the club and score more than 35 goals in his first season because apparently he (and any other striker) would have scored 5-10 more than Zlatan is being ridiculous. Anyone thinking Lukaku is going to walk into the side and get 35-40 goals is insane and making the pressure on him even greater than it will be.

If Lukaku ends next season on 28 goals he'll have done fantastic.
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Time will tell.
Ibra both scored a lot and missed a lot. As long as Lukaku is getting as many chances. The fear with us is how we lined up in the big game aways, and how we finished the season, although the importance of the Europa kicked in then.
Only thing that really matters is how the team does.
 
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was he really on course for that many? i
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28 in 46 is 0.6 goals a game, he missed 10 games through injury so thats potentially another 6 goals. Add on the 3 game suspension and he could have had 35. He also had two legitimate goals disallowed, the high boot against Valdes and the offside that wasn't against Everton at home.
Sandikan said:
Time will tell.
Ibra both scored a lot and missed a lot. As long as Lukaku is getting as many chances. The fear with us is how we lined up in the big game aways, and how we finished the season, although the importance of the Europa kicked in then.
Only thing that really matters is how the team does.
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I remember an interview with Solskjear and he was asked about Andy Cole and the thing Ole said he was most jealous of was Andy's movement because it allowed him to get more chances in a game than Ole himself did. So just because a chance fell to Zlatan it doesn't mean it would have fallen to another striker. Just because Zlatan scores a 25 yard free-kick in a final or a 30 yard lob again Everton doesn't mean any other striker would have. This idea you just swap out Zlatan for another striker and they score 35+ goals is crazy.

It is really annoying me to see people expect Lukaku to get that many goals in his first season, if people are criticising him for not hitting those numbers this time next year they're cnuts.
 
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Ixion said:
28 in 46 is 0.6 goals a game, he missed 10 games through injury so thats potentially another 6 goals. Add on the 3 game suspension and he could have had 35. He also had two legitimate goals disallowed, the high boot against Valdes and the offside that wasn't against Everton at home.

I remember an interview with Solskjear and he was asked about Andy Cole and the thing Ole said he was most jealous of was Andy's movement because it allowed him to get more chances in a game than Ole himself did. So just because a chance fell to Zlatan it doesn't mean it would have fallen to another striker. Just because Zlatan scores a 25 yard free-kick in a final or a 30 yard lob again Everton doesn't mean any other striker would have. This idea you just swap out Zlatan for another striker and they score 35+ goals is crazy.

It is really annoying me to see people expect Lukaku to get that many goals in his first season, if people are criticising him for not hitting those numbers this time next year they're cnuts.
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It's you who is transfixed with this 35 figure. Ibra scored 28, and 17 in the league.
I reckon Lukaku has every chance of matching Ibra's league total. He beat him by 8 goals in the league this season after all (25-17)

17 in the league sounds a reasonable total to match Ibra. We're in a tougher European competition this season, so there's every chance Lukaku won't have the same chance of racking the goals up there.

And yes he missed some games, had a suspension etc, i'd factor Lukaku into that too, he probably won't play 38 games.

I swear half the year people moaned about Ibra's lack of movement. I'm not sure he had good movement at all. What he was was a colossus physically and very strong with a good touch. Even his passing wasn't always that good though.

Time will tell though.
 
He was on course for 23 league goals, if he managed to play all 38 games.
 
Sandikan said:
It's you who is transfixed with this 35 figure.
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Because people like yourself keep insisting any other striker would have done better than Ibrahimovic last season and that is the total they'd needed to have hit to outscore him or do better than 0.6 goals a game.

Anyone expecting that from Lukaku is being unreasonable given its his first season.
 
Ixion said:
28 in 46 is 0.6 goals a game, he missed 10 games through injury so thats potentially another 6 goals. Add on the 3 game suspension and he could have had 35. He also had two legitimate goals disallowed, the high boot against Valdes and the offside that wasn't against Everton at home.

I remember an interview with Solskjear and he was asked about Andy Cole and the thing Ole said he was most jealous of was Andy's movement because it allowed him to get more chances in a game than Ole himself did. So just because a chance fell to Zlatan it doesn't mean it would have fallen to another striker. Just because Zlatan scores a 25 yard free-kick in a final or a 30 yard lob again Everton doesn't mean any other striker would have. This idea you just swap out Zlatan for another striker and they score 35+ goals is crazy.

It is really annoying me to see people expect Lukaku to get that many goals in his first season, if people are criticising him for not hitting those numbers this time next year they're cnuts.
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A very good post.

I think the reason behind most people getting excited about lukaku is the fact that we have players like Pogba, Mkhitaryan and even Juan Mata who are all capable of moments of magic like those described above.

The problem is with Zlatan in the team he gives you all of that forcing the others to facilitate him as opposed to doing it themselves.

If the three mentioned and others like them (Matic has a screamer or two in his locker) step up to fill the gap left by Zlatan (it's a big If) AND Lukaku gives us the clinical edge Zlatan was lacking we could be looking at adding 30+ goals as a team.

That's my thoughts anyway and probably Mourinho's hope. Add in a better season from Rashford and a bit of Zlatan in the second half and Mourinho,''s second season magic could be on the cards!
 
Cassidy said:
Zlatan I believe created the most chances of anyone in the squad. He did miss a lot of chance though yes.
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Pogba did not Zlatan. Zlatan top the miss chance for sure.

I said in other threads that comparing Lukaku & Zlatan, Lukaku is a better natural goal scorer, better instinct. What set Lukaku back is his over reliance on his instinct & not making the best out of his physical attribute. He's not aggressive enough for his build, power & pace (yes he is very fast when he's on his stride).

Lukaku with the same amount of chances supplied by other players would be more prolific than Zlatan. Thing is Zlatan brings different kind of quality onto the table: leadership, battle with defenders to create chance for other to get into positions (Lukaku tends to be lazy on this part despite his physical gift & just to play within himself to get himself in scoring position), taking pressure on himself to free up other...

Morata has been considered a player for big game since he has the ability to stay relevant in big game which it doesn't matter who is the scorer as long as you help the team to win. I believe both Lukaku & Morata are considered on same level during our purchase. It just happened Lukaku is easier to acquire. With Lukaku signing I don't we need that no 9. We're looking as the second forward position which is not really suited for Morata especially for the fee Madrid is so adamant with.
 
Ixion said:
Because people like yourself keep insisting any other striker would have done better than Ibrahimovic last season and that is the total they'd needed to have hit to outscore him or do better than 0.6 goals a game.

Anyone expecting that from Lukaku is being unreasonable given its his first season.
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I think this is a classic "straw man" argument.

You're taking my view that Ibra wasted a lot of chances and pointing out Lukaku outscored him in the league for a worse team, to suddenly be arguing that i'm saying "any other striker" would have done better than Ibra.
Obviously not. We hadn't had a striker score that many for a while. Martial was top scorer with way less last season.

We may well see that Lukaku goes the Andy Cole way, in that his score rate drops off when he ceases to be the player his old team works to the strengths of, but he becomes a more rounded player.
As long as the team do well that doesn't matter.
 
Ixion said:
Without the injury Zlatan would have got around 35 goals. How many are you expecting Lukaku to get?
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I think around 30 goals. Let's not forget Zlatan rake up quite a good amount last season in EL while now CL is tougher competition to score.
 
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DWelbz19 said:
He was on course for 23 league goals, if he managed to play all 38 games.
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That's like saying we were on course for competing for the title if we hadn't drawn so many. Or that we were on course to easily come top 4 without the Europa.
Woulda coulda shoulda has no value here.

Ibra had a spell where he didn't score for about 6 weeks early season, we might have been in for some of that near the end. We just about dribbled to the end of the league season.
 
"Mourinho added that he did not believe another Real Madrid player, striker Alvaro Morata, will end up at Old Trafford either.

"It is a shame," he said.

"He is a player who made it to the first team with me and I have a special liking for. I enjoyed watching his evolution in Juventus and Madrid.

"But we have not reached an agreement with his club and I don't think he can end with us.""

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40622623

So we really wanted both Morata and Lukaku?
 
It would've been an either or situation. Mourinho obviously rates him but once Lukaku was signed there was no reason to continue pursuing Morata.
 
Ixion said:
28 in 46 is 0.6 goals a game, he missed 10 games through injury so thats potentially another 6 goals. Add on the 3 game suspension and he could have had 35. He also had two legitimate goals disallowed, the high boot against Valdes and the offside that wasn't against Everton at home.

I remember an interview with Solskjear and he was asked about Andy Cole and the thing Ole said he was most jealous of was Andy's movement because it allowed him to get more chances in a game than Ole himself did. So just because a chance fell to Zlatan it doesn't mean it would have fallen to another striker. Just because Zlatan scores a 25 yard free-kick in a final or a 30 yard lob again Everton doesn't mean any other striker would have. This idea you just swap out Zlatan for another striker and they score 35+ goals is crazy.

It is really annoying me to see people expect Lukaku to get that many goals in his first season, if people are criticising him for not hitting those numbers this time next year they're cnuts.
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You make a good point, Zlatan is exceptional. One of best and most complete strikers ever. It's hard for anyone to compare with this.

What Lukaku can offer is similar to his contribution against LA Galaxy, plenty of assists. He is too powerful and too good a finisher to be left alone and he plays on last defender so will pull the defence apart.

In the Premiership I expect his bulk will play a big part, bullying the defence, rather than this deftness.

So whilst I wouldn't expect the same style/ quality as Zlatan, his all contribution should hopefully get there.
 
CM10 said:
It would've been an either or situation. Mourinho obviously rates him but once Lukaku was signed there was no reason to continue pursuing Morata.
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He said I don't think he can end with us, rather than he can't. The door is half open....
 
Mourinho's comments over Morata certainly make it sound like we have been after him and Lukaku.

Whether Morata is still a target or not, we could still be in the market for another striker then.
 
Based on Jose's comments yesterday, I think we'd still buy Morata today if Madrid wasn't so crazy with their asking price. He pretty much put all the blame on Perez, and clearly, Mourinho rates and admires Morata.
 
Aubameyang is available if we need a Pacey striker who can play RF as well. We need more firepower and it's a pity Madrid had to be cnuts over morara
 
Meh, just doesn't sit right with me to spend £70M+ on the same position when we've got other areas to address. Also, we've got some talented young players that can fill the position too.

Just not meant to be, imo.
 
PieCrust said:
Based on Jose's comments yesterday, I think we'd still buy Morata today if Madrid wasn't so crazy with their asking price. He pretty much put all the blame on Perez, and clearly, Mourinho rates and admires Morata.
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His comments sounded more like disappointment that Perez tried to fleece us.
 
It's looking more and more that Real were never really interested in letting him go, were giving us the run around.
Makes you wonder if Chelsea will go for him and if they'd be similarly wasting their time trying, my thinking is he'll still be a Real player at the start of the season.
 
I think Mourinho will prefer Zlatan for nothing and to spend the money on Griezmann next year.
 
BennyBlanco said:
It's looking more and more that Real were never really interested in letting him go, were giving us the run around.
Makes you wonder if Chelsea will go for him and if they'd be similarly wasting their time trying, my thinking is he'll still be a Real player at the start of the season.
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They might sell Morata to them not only to spite us, but could help facilitate the negotiation for Hazard. Granted if Real aren't actually interested in Hazard as the press like to report, then yea, I really see them letting Morata go.
 
I still think its a good idea to get Morata now -- it would feck a few clubs up including Arsenal or Chelski with a single blow.
 
Rumor's that he's close to Milan for 70 million Euros (according to Gazzetta dello Sport).

We'll see in the next day or two, but it'd be really annoying if Perez accepted a lower bid than ours (rumored 75mm EUR)
 
Suedesi said:
Rumor's that he's close to Milan for 70 million Euros (according to Gazzetta dello Sport).

We'll see in the next day or two, but it'd be really annoying if Perez accepted a lower bid than ours (rumored 75mm EUR)
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Of course he would. Do you really think Real need the extra 15 million? feck 'em.
 
Suedesi said:
Rumor's that he's close to Milan for 70 million Euros (according to Gazzetta dello Sport).

We'll see in the next day or two, but it'd be really annoying if Perez accepted a lower bid than ours (rumored 75mm EUR)
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If he really goes for 70m Euros, just goes to show that Real were dicking around with us since that is less than what we offered. At least his dyed hair will not be wasted - just need to colour in some black stripes for the Milan look.
 
Ugh going to Milan now apparantely. I know they have an exciting rebuilding project going on but still reckon it will take a few years to take off so its a waste of his talent. He would be a roaring success in Seria A, that's for sure. He knows the league well.
 
MullerUtd said:
Ugh going to Milan now apparantely. I know they have an exciting rebuilding project going on but still reckon it will take a few years to take off so its a waste of his talent. He would be a roaring success in Seria A, that's for sure. He knows the league well.
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same for us and they bought much better players then we did
 
gr3yham3 said:
If he really goes for 70m Euros, just goes to show that Real were dicking around with us since that is less than what we offered. At least his dyed hair will not be wasted - just need to colour in some black stripes for the Milan look.
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Yes but I bet he wont be paid as well as what we had offered.
 
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