Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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I personally prefer Morata over Lukaku but again, 90 million euros no thank you. Find your Mbappe fee elsewhere. In fact, we may as well top it up and put in a cheeky bid for Mbappe ourselves.

How do Real Madrid get away with quoting ridiculous prices for their benchwarmers such as Morata and James?
 
prtk0811 said:
All they want is to fund mbappe transfer who has 2 years left on his monaco contract, And fleece as much as they can . Pure buisness and nothing else. Doubt they have the power to tap up a superstar anymore because the price is out of their range on hazard and courtois too.
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Money is only part of the problem. If they offer good enough wage, & relative reasonable fee, with the player force the move & choose Madrid, they can still edge a better fee. Happened with Bale & Levy didn't want to sell to a PL team.
 
spiriticon said:
I personally prefer Morata over Lukaku but again, 90 million euros no thank you. Find your Mbappe fee elsewhere. In fact, we may as well top it up and put in a cheeky bid for Mbappe ourselves.

How do Real Madrid get away with quoting ridiculous prices for their benchwarmers such as Morata and James?
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I still cant get my head around the logic behind this.

You have a problem with buying from Madrid, who we are unlikely to play against more than a few occassions in a decade, cos they may waste the money on some teenage talent, even though they are rich enough to still buy said player without selling to us?

On the other hand, it seems practically fine with most (as I have yet to read an objection) for us to pay 75m to Everton, who we play at least 2x every season and finished just behind us last season, so that they can spend it on more sensible signings than an over hyped teenager.

In my opinion, funds from the sale of Bale and Modric, was one of the factors that gave Spurs the financial buffer to develop a more stable team and become a bigger threat domestically. I would rather we do business with clubs outside the PL even if it is Madrid, than pump more money into domestic competitors, who will only use the money to make it more challenging for us to be successful.

As to the Morata+James pricing, I am sure we would have gotten a better deal if De Gea was made available. That is the only thing we have that they want. Same would likely apply to Chelsea regarding Hazard and/or Courtois - Perez will not miss the opportunity to stick in and twist the knife, particularly when Costa going to Atletico is not in Madrid's best interest.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
I still cant get my head around the logic behind this.

You have a problem with buying from Madrid, who we are unlikely to play against more than a few occassions in a decade, cos they may waste the money on some teenage talent, even though they are rich enough to still buy said player without selling to us?

On the other hand, it seems practically fine with most (as I have yet to read an objection) for us to pay 75m to Everton, who we play at least 2x every season and finished just behind us last season, so that they can spend it on more sensible signings than an over hyped teenager.

In my opinion, funds from the sale of Bale and Modric, was one of the factors that gave Spurs the financial buffer to develop a more stable team and become a bigger threat domestically. I would rather we do business with clubs outside the PL even if it is Madrid, than pump more money into domestic competitors, who will only use the money to make it more challenging for us to be successful.

As to the Morata+James pricing, I am sure we would have gotten a better deal if De Gea was made available. That is the only thing we have that they want. Same would likely apply to Chelsea regarding Hazard and/or Courtois - Perez will not miss the opportunity to stick in and twist the knife, particularly when Costa going to Atletico is not in Madrid's best interest.
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That's maybe a matter of ambition, however. We should be trying to compete with Real Madrid and not having to worry about Spurs and Everton.

I do agree with your point regarding dealing with Madrid, however. It shouldn't matter.
 
ti vu said:
Money is only part of the problem. If they offer good enough wage, & relative reasonable fee, with the player force the move & choose Madrid, they can still edge a better fee. Happened with Bale & Levy didn't want to sell to a PL team.
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I was talking about Chelsea players. If they value Morata for 80 m hazard is alteast 120 - 130 m pounds, they are just inflating the market themselves. even courtois is no lesser than 70 m pounds. They can get players from smaller clubs but not from top english clubs anymore. Players forcing the move is typical way only they can force a transfer but on bad terms.
 
Shuriken said:


I feel sorry for both, as they clearly look miserable.
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These sort of photos make me laugh. Do they hire somebody to follow them around and take a photo of them every time they share a bit of affection?

I hate couples social media :lol:
 
These people sell the rights to their holidays / weddings / trips to M&S dont they?

Or else they make a deal to appear for a few nice shots and then the paparazzi leave them alone for the remainder of their holiday.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
I still cant get my head around the logic behind this.

You have a problem with buying from Madrid, who we are unlikely to play against more than a few occassions in a decade, cos they may waste the money on some teenage talent, even though they are rich enough to still buy said player without selling to us?

On the other hand, it seems practically fine with most (as I have yet to read an objection) for us to pay 75m to Everton, who we play at least 2x every season and finished just behind us last season, so that they can spend it on more sensible signings than an over hyped teenager.

In my opinion, funds from the sale of Bale and Modric, was one of the factors that gave Spurs the financial buffer to develop a more stable team and become a bigger threat domestically. I would rather we do business with clubs outside the PL even if it is Madrid, than pump more money into domestic competitors, who will only use the money to make it more challenging for us to be successful.

As to the Morata+James pricing, I am sure we would have gotten a better deal if De Gea was made available. That is the only thing we have that they want. Same would likely apply to Chelsea regarding Hazard and/or Courtois - Perez will not miss the opportunity to stick in and twist the knife, particularly when Costa going to Atletico is not in Madrid's best interest.
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Because by not giving them 90m odd we have reduced their income from this season by that amount and there isn't another club who would pay that for Morata. They also have an extra attacking player in their squad that would demand playing time and would compete directly with someone like Mbappe if he were to join Madrid. Which might not end their interest in Mbappe or Mbappe's interest in Madrid but at least we are not serving one of the brightest young talents to these guys on the platter. Now if Madrid starts stalling, that's where we go in and increase our chances of getting the player. We would also risk setting a precedence that no matter what the selling club asks, we eventually give into it regardless of how unestablished the player might be. Next time we go in with a bid for a player, they will know that we aren't going to go too far above our initial bid. That's a good way to run the club.

Now if Madrid wants to keep an unhappy player in their squad, they have all the right to do so. If they decide to sell the player for what he's actually worth which is around our initial bid of £50m, we can always go back in and buy him for a much more reasonable price.
 
RedCurry said:
Because by not giving them 90m odd we have reduced their income from this season by that amount and there isn't another club who would pay that for Morata. They also have an extra attacking player in their squad that would demand playing time and would compete directly with someone like Mbappe if he were to join Madrid. Which might not end their interest in Mbappe or Mbappe's interest in Madrid but at least we are not serving one of the brightest young talents to these guys on the platter. Now if Madrid starts stalling, that's where we go in and increase our chances of getting the player. We would also risk setting a precedence that no matter what the selling club asks, we eventually give into it regardless of how unestablished the player might be. Next time we go in with a bid for a player, they will know that we aren't going to go too far above our initial bid. That's a good way to run the club.

Now if Madrid wants to keep an unhappy player in their squad, they have all the right to do so. If they decide to sell the player for what he's actually worth which is around our initial bid of £50m, we can always go back in and buy him for a much more reasonable price.
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Hopefully the transition will be over this season, and we never need to buy from madrid , We never historically buy a player from madrid but get the best young talents and scout better than we have since moyes era. Its Real madrid who have always bought players we want to get rid of since a good decade and half bar ronaldo. And we have alreadystarted to get in great deals from lindelof to bailly and martial.
 
Adam-Utd said:
These sort of photos make me laugh. Do they hire somebody to follow them around and take a photo of them every time they share a bit of affection?

I hate couples social media :lol:
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:)

Cheesy social media tendencies is the new black!
 
RedCurry said:
Because by not giving them 90m odd we have reduced their income from this season by that amount and there isn't another club who would pay that for Morata. They also have an extra attacking player in their squad that would demand playing time and would compete directly with someone like Mbappe if he were to join Madrid. Which might not end their interest in Mbappe or Mbappe's interest in Madrid but at least we are not serving one of the brightest young talents to these guys on the platter. Now if Madrid starts stalling, that's where we go in and increase our chances of getting the player. We would also risk setting a precedence that no matter what the selling club asks, we eventually give into it regardless of how unestablished the player might be. Next time we go in with a bid for a player, they will know that we aren't going to go too far above our initial bid. That's a good way to run the club.

Now if Madrid wants to keep an unhappy player in their squad, they have all the right to do so. If they decide to sell the player for what he's actually worth which is around our initial bid of £50m, we can always go back in and buy him for a much more reasonable price.
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Chelsea says hello. They could send Morata+ Cash o Monaco for Mbappe and they could keep Morata and give him more minutes. They can even wait till next summer before going after Mbappe which might be better for all parties (except maybe Monaco)

Still, your analysis misses my point - why are you so concerned with Madrid improving (if at all) and dont seem to care about improving Everton who present a more direct threat.

Madrid didnt make any major sales last summer and still had the 600m+ in revenue while Everton had about 160m. 75m makes a bigger difference to Everton than 90m does to Madrid.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Chelsea says hello. They could send Morata+ Cash o Monaco for Mbappe and they could keep Morata and give him more minutes. They can even wait till next summer before going after Mbappe which might be better for all parties (except maybe Monaco)

Still, your analysis misses my point - why are you so concerned with Madrid improving (if at all) and dont seem to care about improving Everton who present a more direct threat.

Madrid didnt make any major sales last summer and still had the 600m+ in revenue while Everton had about 160m. 75m makes a bigger difference to Everton than 90m does to Madrid.
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I doubt Chelsea is going to shell out that much cash for Morata but we'll see. Why would Monaco buy Morata? They will want cash for Mbappe there are no two ways about it. Also, players' transfer fee is not reflected in revenue of a club typically. Revenue broadly comprises of commercial(shirt sales, merchandise, sponsorships etc. ), matchday(tickets), broadcasting, prize money.

I did indeed miss your point about strengthening a PL team by giving them the money. In my opinion buying Lukaku weakens Everton more than it would strengthen them. He played all but 1 game in the premier league for them. Think about it this way, if we sold Pogba to Everton for 150m would that be us strengthening or weakening ourselves? Getting Morata from Real Madrid does nothing to them except give them a lot of money for a player who isn't worth that amount of money and Real doesn't need him. So we would definitely help strengthen them because with 90m, they would get themselves a Hazard or Mbappe who would both be a significant improvement on Morata.

We also generally have good working relationship with Everton and I can only see more players being transfered between the clubs in the future. The two clubs have very different objectives in my opinion.
 
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RedCurry said:
I doubt Chelsea is going to shell out that much cash for Morata but we'll see. Why would Monaco buy Morata? They will want cash for Mbappe there are no two ways about it. Also, players' transfer fee is not reflected in revenue of a club typically. Revenue broadly comprises of commercial(shirt sales, merchandise, sponsorships etc. ), matchday(tickets), broadcasting, prize money.

I did indeed miss your point about strengthening a PL team by giving them the money. In my opinion buying Lukaku weakens Everton more than it would strengthen them. He played all but 1 game in the premier league for them. Think about it this way, if we sold Pogba to Everton for 150m would that be us strengthening or weakening ourselves? Getting Morata from Real Madrid does nothing to them except give them a lot of money for a player who isn't worth that amount of money and Real doesn't need him. So we would definitely help strengthen them because with 90m, they would get themselves a Hazard or Mbappe who would both be a significant improvement on Morata.

We also generally have good working relationship with Everton and I can only see more players being transfered between the clubs in the future. The two clubs have very different objectives in my opinion.
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Chelsea have made over 70m this transfer window and haven't even sold Costa yet.

Yet they are linked with Llorente and Benteke. I highly doubt they will be spending a lot of money or that they were even willing to spend the money required to get Lukaka.

Really odd for a team who just won the EPL
 
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Ed Woodward spotted outside Morata's house
 
Incredible genius from Woodward, make Morata and Real Madrid think they've missed out on a hefty wedge, only to, erm....


come crawling back with what'll now be an even more horrible fee if he hasn't been put off :)
 
If we go back and pay up for him, he'll come. So many are over thinking this.

The fellow wants to play football. Real want the type of money only a few can afford. I really don't think him knowing he's second choice, or us going for the cheaper option in Lukaku is going to get in the way of the lads desire to play. Especially with a WC coming up. He'll want the best chance possible to be picked over Costa. He won't get that sitting on a bench.
 
Zoo said:
You feel like Morata is on the cusp of something fairly special but he needs to find the right club to be the main man and have that breakout season. The problem is that Perez will feck him over on the price.
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This is why I still want Lukaku to fall through and for us to just pay up and get Morata. I think he is potentially that good.
 
People are vastly over investing in a narrative constructed by journalists who demonstrably did not know what they were talking about here and then getting upset about the idea.
 
NinjaFletch said:
People are vastly over investing in a narrative constructed by journalists who demonstrably did not know what they were talking about here and then getting upset about the idea.
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all journalists are liars or speculators as are sky sources and all of the other twats that are desperate for twitter attention.

Nothing is official unless it comes from the club!
 
This would be the United thing to do.

Miss out on Lukaku and over spend on someone else.
 
prtk0811 said:
I was talking about Chelsea players. If they value Morata for 80 m hazard is alteast 120 - 130 m pounds, they are just inflating the market themselves. even courtois is no lesser than 70 m pounds. They can get players from smaller clubs but not from top english clubs anymore. Players forcing the move is typical way only they can force a transfer but on bad terms.
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Yes. Transfer & wage wise Madrid is no longer top dog with English clubs catching up. Still, Madrid brand is compelling, arguably more now with 2 back to back European triumphs. Perez doesn't seem respectable to other teams so I don't think unsettle other teams' players is out of their scheme. You can see Madrid pretty much openly tapping up player with Perez's open interview/ quote on other club, and they seem never got punished. And how they can keep a straight face with their antic. For example: DDG case. They tried to low ball us by using the press on us, without a formal bid until the last day. When SHTF, Madrid tried to shift the blame with Ed being amateur narrative, which we had to come out with timestamp & clarify their official bid time...
 
Bwuk said:
This would be the United thing to do.

Miss out on Lukaku and over spend on someone else.
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I wonder why our fans have such a poor opinion of our clubs management. We are one of the most successful clubs in the world.
 
Sandikan said:
Incredible genius from Woodward, make Morata and Real Madrid think they've missed out on a hefty wedge, only to, erm....


come crawling back with what'll now be an even more horrible fee if he hasn't been put off :)
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Why would we crawl back? I think this deal might still go through,but on our terms. Once the Lukaku deal becomes official,we are under no pressure to get another striker in. Morata will be icing on the cake, most likely taking the place of that which we earmarked tactically and financially for Griezmann. Ed will just tell Real to refer to our last offer and say we won't go higher. Either Real accepts or good luck to them finding someone who will pay the same price.
 
MJJ said:
Guess we found a unicorn, huh ivaldo? :lol: @ivaldo
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I cant unnderstand those who say that Morata would be a better fit for MU than Lukaku. We needed a replacement for Ibrahimović and we have got one in Lukaku. He should be capable of over 20 goals a season against Moratas 10 to 15 possible goals. If we had only Morata then we would still be in the position of needing a guaranteed goal scorer. Now, I'm not say that Morata wouldn't be good for us as I think he is a typical spanish player with hard working and skillful attributes and would highly enhance the team if we could get him at a sensible price.
I think Morino has done a great job this season in bringing back great team moral and a team that world class players want to play for.
 
tony54 said:
I cant unnderstand those who say that Morata would be a better fit for MU than Lukaku. We needed a replacement for Ibrahimović and we have got one in Lukaku. He should be capable of over 20 goals a season against Moratas 10 to 15 possible goals. If we had only Morata then we would still be in the position of needing a guaranteed goal scorer. Now, I'm not say that Morata wouldn't be good for us as I think he is a typical spanish player with hard working and skillful attributes and would highly enhance the team if we could get him at a sensible price.
I think Morino has done a great job this season in bringing back great team moral and a team that world class players want to play for.
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Yeah, I am really happy with the signing of Lukaku. A much better fit and player than most give him credit for here.
 
tony54 said:
I cant unnderstand those who say that Morata would be a better fit for MU than Lukaku. We needed a replacement for Ibrahimović and we have got one in Lukaku. He should be capable of over 20 goals a season against Moratas 10 to 15 possible goals. If we had only Morata then we would still be in the position of needing a guaranteed goal scorer. Now, I'm not say that Morata wouldn't be good for us as I think he is a typical spanish player with hard working and skillful attributes and would highly enhance the team if we could get him at a sensible price.
I think Morino has done a great job this season in bringing back great team moral and a team that world class players want to play for.
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and how do we make up for the loss of creativity that Zlatan provided?

Both Lukaku and Morata are capable, but not guaranteed, to be 20+ goal scorers at United. The main differences comes in the other areas.
 
I hope he stays at Real Madrid.

A couple of weeks ago, I put £10 on him staying there at 8/1. So feck off Chelsea.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
and how do we make up for the loss of creativity that Zlatan provided?

Both Lukaku and Morata are capable, but not guaranteed, to be 20+ goal scorers at United. The main differences comes in the other areas.
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Better season from Mikhi,Pogba and whoever our left winger is. Based on Lukaku's past stats he is as much of a guarantee as you can sign, he almost had 20 goals as a 19 year old in the premier league and has only improved from there with a poor west brom and everton side.
 
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