Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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carvajal said:
I am quite pessimistic about Mbappé. Apparently the economic offer to the player is too high. A problem of the salary level that Madrid already had last summer with Pogba, and then the price of the player and PSG's will to match any offer.
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Why do you think salary is a problem now or that it was last year? The team is stacked and both Pogba last year and Mbappe this years are good options, but not at the cost of destroying the balance in the locker room.

Can you imagine what would happen if the club matched PSG offer of 12 mil € a season? That would mean only Ronaldo and Bale make more then he does, an 18 year old kid with 6 months experience playing first team football. That would be idiotic and insulting to the rest of the squad (same as with Pogba if he was given what was asked). Ramos would be in Florentino's office the next day asking him if he maybe fell on the head the day before he signed that deal.

An offer from Real Madrid is clearly on the table. If he want's more money or more certain minutes as a starter, or maybe to play under less pressure, then he will go to PSG. If he want's to make the big jump right away then great, he's ours.
 
Varun said:
I rate Morata higher too but then I believe Lukaku is more suited to Mourinho's setup and is more of a sure thing when it comes to racking up the numbers in the PL.

He'd make a better flat track bully (for the lack of a better phrase of explain myself) and that's what gets you titles.
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I hope for you guys that you're right. We'll see I guess.
 
gaucho_10 said:
Why do you think salary is a problem now or that it was last year? The team is stacked and both Pogba last year and Mbappe this years are good options, but not at the cost of destroying the balance in the locker room.

Can you imagine what would happen if the club matched PSG offer of 12 mil € a season? That would mean only Ronaldo and Bale make more then he does, an 18 year old kid with 6 months experience playing first team football. That would be idiotic and insulting to the rest of the squad (same as with Pogba if he was given what was asked). Ramos would be in Florentino's office the next day asking him if he maybe fell on the head the day before he signed that deal.

An offer from Real Madrid is clearly on the table. If he want's more money or more certain minutes as a starter, or maybe to play under less pressure, then he will go to PSG. If he want's to make the big jump right away then great, he's ours.
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Yes, it´s what I meant, a problem in the salary level with many players complaining about Mbappé and his merits.
 
gaucho_10 said:
What I see is a striker who plays for the 7th. best team in EPL, that finished 7th. and (mathematically) would have finished 7th. without him scoring a single goal being sold for 75 mil. Morata is worth more in my book.
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There's not a single striker in the Premier League that would have affected Everton's position, so that's an utterly pointless "stat"
 
gaucho_10 said:
Why do you think salary is a problem now or that it was last year? The team is stacked and both Pogba last year and Mbappe this years are good options, but not at the cost of destroying the balance in the locker room.

Can you imagine what would happen if the club matched PSG offer of 12 mil € a season? That would mean only Ronaldo and Bale make more then he does, an 18 year old kid with 6 months experience playing first team football. That would be idiotic and insulting to the rest of the squad (same as with Pogba if he was given what was asked). Ramos would be in Florentino's office the next day asking him if he maybe fell on the head the day before he signed that deal.

An offer from Real Madrid is clearly on the table. If he want's more money or more certain minutes as a starter, or maybe to play under less pressure, then he will go to PSG. If he want's to make the big jump right away then great, he's ours.
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12mil a year for a talented 18 year old? I don't care how good the lad thinks he is, there is simply no justifying such a salary.

Lunacy. Absolute lunacy in every sense of the word.
 
Random Task said:
12mil a year for a talented 18 year old? I don't care how good the lad thinks he is, there is simply no justifying such a salary.

Lunacy. Absolute lunacy in every sense of the word.
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It's completely insane.
 
Out of the two, I would take Lukaku all day, especially since their prices are almost the same. Morata is hardly a striker you associate with goals, meanwhile Lukaku has scored 85 goals in the last 5 seasons (Only Aguero had scored more). Morata is a sub striker who comes on when players are tired, and is supplied by James, Isco , Kroos and Modric. Also plays in a league where his team is vastly superior to all the other teams , except Barca and Athletico. Meanwhile Lukaku is PL proven, has scored shitloads of goals, in a team which is not even top 6, while being supplied by the likes of Barkley and Cleverly. Morata is technically better , but that doesn't make him a better striker. Both are good strikers, but for the prices quoted, I'd take Lukaku all day.
 
gr3yham3 said:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/real-madrid/20170708/423958205750/morata-harto.html

"The striker is very upset with Real Madrid and sick of the attitude of the white club. Since May, Real Madrid officials know they want to go and asked them to make it easy for them to leave."

Hope we are still in for him though.
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Hope it's true he's mad at them - as he should be. If they knew he wanted to leave and had no intention of making him a more important part of their team, then the right thing to do would have been to let him go. On top of that, they had a club willing to pay a more than generous fee for him, but instead they decided to to feck around. At the end of the day, they not only lost out on getting that fee, they also had no problem fecking around with the lad's career.
Awful from Perez.
 
I still hope we're in for him personally. I actually think he offers more to a team than Rom does (& any of our other forwards) but don't misconstrue that with an objection toward Rom's signing.
 
Vato said:
Look, I've always rated Lukaku but actually really believe Morata is the better forward. There's no need to throw comments like 'horrible club' because we stuck to our price for him. I don't see him going to Chelsea as they'll have a cheaper option in Llorente who will probably do pretty good for them aswell but it would be nice to see him play in the Epl so that he can prove my point.
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Look, some of us also believe Morata to be the better forward as well. I don't like Lukaku whatsoever. However, his club was willing to negotiate (even if the fee is too high still imho), whilst Madrid were being completely unreasonable. Didn't want to meet us half way, even though Alvaro is sitting on your bench, and respectfully asked that you let him go.

In the whole context of things, Madrid should have been willing to compromise, if only for the sake Morata. To feck around with his career because of arrogance and greed is not on. You just can't just say, "we've won all these CL trophies and we're the best club blah blah, so you have the right to name any price", it's irrelevant in this context. The reality is Morata has been mostly sitting on your bench, so it's still a risk for the buying club - especially at that price - as no one knows exactly how well he'd settle in.

I think he would come good, but there's still the possibility that it might not work out. Lukaku might not settle in either, but the club at least has some indication of what he can do given he's been scoring at a good rate for a few seasons now. On the other hand, no one knows how Morata would react given the huge responsibility of being the main forward for the first time in his career.

Therefore, with us willing to take the chance, and pay an exorbitant fee, plus the fact the lad wanted to come, means Madrid could have behaved more reasonably had they taken all the above into context, instead of messing around with our club, and with Morata's career.
 
Jazz said:
Look, some of us also believe Morata to be the better forward as well. I don't like Lukaku whatsoever. However, his club was willing to negotiate (even if the fee is too high still imho), whilst Madrid were being completely unreasonable. Didn't want to meet us half way, even though Alvaro is sitting on your bench, and respectfully asked that you let him go.

In the whole context of things, Madrid should have been willing to compromise, if only for the sake Morata. To feck around with his career because of arrogance and greed is not on. You just can't just say, "we've won all these CL trophies and we're the best club blah blah, so you have the right to name any price", it's irrelevant in this context. The reality is Morata has been mostly sitting on your bench, so it's still a risk for the buying club - especially at that price - as no one knows exactly how well he'd settle in.

I think he would come good, but there's still the possibility that it might not work out. Lukaku might not settle in either, but the club at least has some indication of what he can do given he's been scoring at a good rate for a few seasons now. On the other hand, no one knows how Morata would react given the huge responsibility of being the main forward for the first time in his career.

Therefore, with us willing to take the chance, and pay an exorbitant fee, plus the fact the lad wanted to come, means Madrid could have behaved more reasonably had they taken all the above into context, instead of messing around with our club, and with Morata's career.
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I don´t think anyone is playing with his career. He has played many games, the club is happy with him. When he went to Juventus he did with the buy back clause and accepted it. He was also very happy on his return . If he is considered valid for United, Chelsea or Milan then I do not understand why the price to pay for him should not be in proportion. In any case, the price of Lukaku shows that the price of Madrid is nothing out of the ordinary
 
carvajal said:
I don´t think anyone is playing with his career. He has played many games, the club is happy with him. When he went to Juventus he did with the buy back clause and accepted it. He was also very happy on his return . If he is considered valid for United, Chelsea or Milan then I do not understand why the price to pay for him should not be in proportion. In any case, the price of Lukaku shows that the price of Madrid is nothing out of the ordinary
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with your first line, and if the lad is happy to stay at Madrid, then fine.

Who knows, Chelsea might come up with the whole 90M Euros that Perez wants.
 
carvajal said:
I don´t think anyone is playing with his career. He has played many games, the club is happy with him. When he went to Juventus he did with the buy back clause and accepted it. He was also very happy on his return . If he is considered valid for United, Chelsea or Milan then I do not understand why the price to pay for him should not be in proportion. In any case, the price of Lukaku shows that the price of Madrid is nothing out of the ordinary
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That's exactly what we are saying.
 
Pexbo said:
That's exactly what we are saying.
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You guys are building castles out of thin air trying to force a narrative of Perez is the bad guy :lol:

You went as high as €70+M for Morata. You're paying more than that for Lukaku. You're signing Lukaku because you rate him more, not because big bad Perez wouldn't compromise
 
gaucho_10 said:
You think he'd have problems handling a "premier league cross"? :lol:
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Better players than him have failed in EPL. It doesn't matter how good a player is, sometime he just cannot adapt on a new league. Shewchenko was a Ballon D'or winner, Veron was next to Zidane the best midfielder in the world, Di Maria was arguably a top 10 player in the world, Falcao etc. It is a hard league where a lot of fantastic players fail, and so Lukaku was definitely a much lower risk signing. Not necessarily the better player but definitely the more risk free signing.
 
Jazz said:
Look, some of us also believe Morata to be the better forward as well. I don't like Lukaku whatsoever. However, his club was willing to negotiate (even if the fee is too high still imho), whilst Madrid were being completely unreasonable. Didn't want to meet us half way, even though Alvaro is sitting on your bench, and respectfully asked that you let him go.

In the whole context of things, Madrid should have been willing to compromise, if only for the sake Morata. To feck around with his career because of arrogance and greed is not on. You just can't just say, "we've won all these CL trophies and we're the best club blah blah, so you have the right to name any price", it's irrelevant in this context. The reality is Morata has been mostly sitting on your bench, so it's still a risk for the buying club - especially at that price - as no one knows exactly how well he'd settle in.

I think he would come good, but there's still the possibility that it might not work out. Lukaku might not settle in either, but the club at least has some indication of what he can do given he's been scoring at a good rate for a few seasons now. On the other hand, no one knows how Morata would react given the huge responsibility of being the main forward for the first time in his career.

Therefore, with us willing to take the chance, and pay an exorbitant fee, plus the fact the lad wanted to come, means Madrid could have behaved more reasonably had they taken all the above into context, instead of messing around with our club, and with Morata's career.
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Fair enough I guess.
 
Looks like Chelsea will be going after him, so assuming they pay what Perez wants (and give him Hazard as well:D) it should all work out in the end.
 
giorno said:
You guys are building castles out of thin air trying to force a narrative of Perez is the bad guy :lol:

You went as high as €70+M for Morata. You're paying more than that for Lukaku. You're signing Lukaku because you rate him more, not because big bad Perez wouldn't compromise
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If you look back at the things that Perez has said about Man Utd you will understand why people on here don't like him and want to stick it up him.
 
Everyone here seems to think that we will not go after Morat anymore? I have my doubts about it as we still need more goals to come from somewhere.
 
gr3yham3 said:
Everyone here seems to think that we will not go after Morat anymore? I have my doubts about it as we still need more goals to come from somewhere.
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Fully agree that Luakaku isnt an instant fix to our goal drought, but fairly certain that the Morata deal is deader than dead :/

Dunno what the plan is, Perisisc doesn't strike me as the magic solution either
 
gr3yham3 said:
Everyone here seems to think that we will not go after Morat anymore? I have my doubts about it as we still need more goals to come from somewhere.
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We are not going to spend 90M Euros on someone else this window. And Perez won't play ball, regardless of what the player wants.
They can always loan him to us:D But seriously, with the tension between Perez and Woodward, I can't see the club dealing with each other again for a long while.
 
Think we'll get him too and Mourinho will play him as a left inside forward like he did for Juventus.

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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Think we'll get him too and Mourinho will play him as a left inside forward.
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Pity they can't get anyone to pay a bucketload of money for James, then Morata might be able to go for less. Nobody seems to want James for the money either. He has been a very expensive mistake. Morata hasn't it is just he want playing time.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Because I don't see why we were pursuing Morata for so long, only to put a higher bid in for Lukaku. Why not just bid for Lukaku in the first place?
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Same happened with Micheal Keane. Also I don't think we believed we could get Lukaku and didn't want to be left in another Griezzman like situation.

Morata seems like the contingency plan, and it all looked like Lukaku had wrapped up a move to Chelsea
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Pity they can't get anyone to pay a bucketload of money for James, then Morata might be able to go for less. Nobody seems to want James for the money either. He has been a very expensive mistake. Morata hasn't it is just he want playing time.
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If they can't get Chelsea to cough up Morata's fee then they'll be left with James and a possibly disgruntled Morata - and no money to fund Mpbappe (spelling).

Perez needs to get realistic here.
 
Jazz said:
If they can't get Chelsea to cough up Morata's fee then they'll be left with James and a possibly disgruntled Morata - and no money to fund Mpbappe (spelling).

Perez needs to get realistic here.
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Same happened last summer with both James and Morata and they couldn't raise the funds to buy Pogba.
Perez seems stuborn and they'll probably end up waiting till next summer for Mbappe if thats the case.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Because I don't see why we were pursuing Morata for so long, only to put a higher bid in for Lukaku. Why not just bid for Lukaku in the first place?
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True. As for the Keane-Lindelof example,we were not as advanced, if there were any, in negotiations for Keane, maybe just registered interest. If we had earmarked funds for Griezmann plus one of Lukaku/Morata, I don't see why we cannot spend the money on both strikers instead. We can then play 2 up top, or Morata is good enough to play as a SS behind Lukaku.
 
tony54 said:
I cant unnderstand those who say that Morata would be a better fit for MU than Lukaku. We needed a replacement for Ibrahimović and we have got one in Lukaku. He should be capable of over 20 goals a season against Moratas 10 to 15 possible goals. If we had only Morata then we would still be in the position of needing a guaranteed goal scorer. Now, I'm not say that Morata wouldn't be good for us as I think he is a typical spanish player with hard working and skillful attributes and would highly enhance the team if we could get him at a sensible price.
I think Morino has done a great job this season in bringing back great team moral and a team that world class players want to play for.
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That's precisely why some of us would have preferred Morata for Lukaku, because he wouldn't be a better fit to our current play and would at least force Mourinho to reinvent himself tactically, attacking wise at least.
 
30 million euros and this is still a done deal. Don't treat him like a slave, Perez. #FreeMorata
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Think we'll get him too and Mourinho will play him as a left inside forward like he did for Juventus.

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So, you're expecting Mourinho to use him precisely in the position we have both Rashford and Martial?
 
Cassidy said:
Same happened last summer with both James and Morata and they couldn't raise the funds to buy Pogba.
Perez seems stuborn and they'll probably end up waiting till next summer for Mbappe if thats the case.
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Such a pity that was, if only we could have signed Pogba, we might have been able to win the double :lol:

Btw, about Pogba, it was never a matter of us not having the money, Pogba didn't accept our offer, and that was that. We never made a bid to juventus. The money angle was probably just an excuse, Pogba chose United, that's why we didn't sign him(and also, perez wasn't that interested in him. Zidane was, but it's Perez who decides in the end)

@Fully Fledged nothing wrong that, i just find it funny, is all
 
gaucho_10 said:
Why do you think salary is a problem now or that it was last year? The team is stacked and both Pogba last year and Mbappe this years are good options, but not at the cost of destroying the balance in the locker room.

Can you imagine what would happen if the club matched PSG offer of 12 mil € a season? That would mean only Ronaldo and Bale make more then he does, an 18 year old kid with 6 months experience playing first team football. That would be idiotic and insulting to the rest of the squad (same as with Pogba if he was given what was asked). Ramos would be in Florentino's office the next day asking him if he maybe fell on the head the day before he signed that deal.

An offer from Real Madrid is clearly on the table. If he want's more money or more certain minutes as a starter, or maybe to play under less pressure, then he will go to PSG. If he want's to make the big jump right away then great, he's ours.
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Was Pogba really asking for much? He's on 180k per week at United. If he was asking for more than that of Madrid it's probably because Madrid wasn't his first choice.
 
giorno said:
Such a pity that was, if only we could have signed Pogba, we might have been able to win the double :lol:

Btw, about Pogba, it was never a matter of us not having the money, Pogba didn't accept our offer, and that was that. We never made a bid to juventus. The money angle was probably just an excuse, Pogba chose United, that's why we didn't sign him(and also, perez wasn't that interested in him. Zidane was, but it's Perez who decides in the end)

@Fully Fledged nothing wrong that, i just find it funny, is all
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Haha don't worry I didn't think it was a problem you missed out, you didn't need him.
More the point was that Perez doesn't need to be desperate to sell Morata on the cheap, you seemed to hold out last summer so I think he will hold out for the fee wanted.

EDIT: Also you don't NEED to sign Mbappe this summer, I think you will get him next summer tbh
 
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