You are probably right, but smokescreen or not, I feel bad for Morata. Also I rate him just as much as Lukaku. But that's football, it's not any love when it comes to transfers and negotiations.
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You are probably right, but smokescreen or not, I feel bad for Morata. Also I rate him just as much as Lukaku. But that's football, it's not any love when it comes to transfers and negotiations.
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This.
RM speculated on Morata like a financial asset, and they will continue to do so in order to get their new flashy toy in Mbappe in.
We probably would have sealed the deal on Morata weeks ago if they would agree on a somewhat sensible fee, instead they acted the dicks and the deal broke down.
Compared to the Franco's we are fecking saints.
I don't think either club was out of line, honestly. Madrid had all of the bargaining power and rightfully tried to extract as much as they could and we agreed personal terms but couldn't come to an agreement with the club. It's not particularly uncommon but what magnifies it is the media circus that comes with a megatransfer between United and Real
Aye! Appears they are doing the same thing with James too. I hope some of these players just say "feck you", I'll just do a Winston Bogarde then.
They have been doing it for year though Madrid, Owen wanted a move back to Liverpool after joing RM a season earlier for free and being benched most of the season, but Madrid priced him out of the move and he ended up at Newcastle. Same thing happened with Di Maria and PSG/United.
Bunch of cnuts who don't treat their "unwanted" with any respect whatsoever.
I don't think that's right at all, agreeing a sensible fee is the right thing to do if the players wants to leave, just as we did for example when we sold them Ruud, Beckham, Ronaldo.
You're as biased as it comes on this forum though.
I don't agree. First, your definition of sensible probably doesn't align with Perez's. Second, Ruud and Beckham both left after highly publicized spats with SAF (and other players in the case of Ruud) and Ronaldo was sold for a world record fee after he made it clear that Madrid was his destiny and multiple summers of flirting with Real. Morata hasn't fallen out with anyone, he hasn't shown any indication he wanted to leave prior to this and Real have him signed at a reasonable price until 2021. They should have no inclination to sell him unless they make us pay through the nose.
The only reason Madrid bought Morata back from Juve was to sell him on for profit. Real are very much the cnuts here and Morata fell for it. There's making profit and then there's just being plain greedy.
I am biased but in this case I don´t see why we are guilty. If Martial wants to leave for lack of minutes are you going to accept any offer? is his agent going to set the price?.
Madrid don´t want to sell because he has very good stats.
Madrid is the champion of Europe and they are are not going to give away their players. 75/80 million is an adequate market price, as has been seen with Lukaku, who has apparently cost more. And I do not see that there are huge distances between them.
Everyone is in a hurry to get the signings for the preseason but it does not always happen and I don´t think a difference of 5 million at the beginning of July is areason to stop a signing, especially if it´s true that Mourinho has called him on many occasions to convince him.
That's why I don´t think it's our fault. It will be a matter of his agent, or his father who apparently is leaking everything to the press or perhaps Morata was a plan B after all.
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This. I think this is spot on to be honest.
Lukaku has not cost more than Morata. According to yesterday's Marca, Madrid wanted €80 million up front and €10 million in add ons. That's €90 million or £79 million, more expensive than the £75 million rumored cost of Lukaku.
Of course, everyone understands that Madrid won't want to sell Morata. In my opinion Morata is a better goalscorer than Benzema. Benzema misses loads of easy chances in big games. But for the fact he was a Florentino favourite he would've been sold already.
However, one cannot blame United for choosing the Premier League proven and cheaper option. If Madrid had been more flexible over the fee United would've signed Morata. Madrid played hardball over the price and United chose to look elsewhere. Sucks for Morata but he can't blame us. Despite Morata's potential £79 million or €90 million euros was too steep a price given the other options on the market.
One is absolutely vital to his team and is a proven Premier League goalsscorer, the other has been a sub for 2 different teams over the past 2 seasons.
To expect both to fetch the same money is just daft imo and has been proven with the news today, United and Mourinho thought only one of the two was worth going to that price for.
It Martial spends another season as a sub and wants to leave I absolutely would expect us to sell him for a shit load less than what Madrid want for Morata.
No one is asking Madrid to accept 'any' offer. United were offering a crazy amount of money for a guy who sat on your bench all last season and has never really impressed as a first team starter in his career. Madrid don't seem to have any intention of actually making him their first choice either. Lukaku at least is actually proven in the PL though I agree he is overpriced. It's just a terrible market for centre forwards this summer.
I don't believe either team is particularly at fault here but you seem to be insinuating that United are in the wrong simply because they didn't want to get ripped off for a Madrid benchwarmer.
Frankly both players are underwhelming for the rumoured fees.
I don't see how £75/80 million is an adequate market price for a bench player with a goal record nowhere near as good as Lukaku's. Sorry but it was too steep.
How is 75-80 a fair market price? Lukaku is an established 20+ goal per season striker over 3-4 seasons straight. Morata barely completes 15-20 appearances. You cannot compare the two when one is established in leading the line and putting away a ridiculous amount of goals (with lesser talent). Madrid are asking for close to Pogba money for their super sub. It really didn't make sense, and wasn't fair on the player IMHO.
If it were United, Chelsea, Bayern or some other club I doubt they would hold their second best rated striker randsom in the same way. Morata is quite clearly expendible to Real but Perez thought he could get away with hardball.
Plus they all forget when you were wrong or the deals you never even mentioned.
Can't figure out why people are so desperate to find transfer itk's. Especially the ones who do it summer after summer.
Well, you see that the difference is very small, even if Morata completes all the goals included in the add ons. They are not saving 20 millions or something like that.
I would be very happy staying with Morata, as I said here is a very good player, but after so much noise Morata and Madrid should look for some other alternative.
That Premier League proven fact is not a relevant factor in my opinion, as was seen in the past with Costa, Alexis, Agüero, Cazorla or Ozil, etc.
Lukaku plays at Everton and Morata has played in Madrid and Juve, playing relevant games in both and with bigger C.L experience.
Exactly. There's probably not enough difference in quality between these players to justify paying a huge amount more for one than another. When you have a couple of good options on the table, and add to that the Rooney to Everton angle, it was probably a deal that made sense for all those concerned.
In my opinion Madrid are slightly dense for not selling Morata for 60m though. He's not a player who will feature that many more times for them next season to warrant playing hard ball offer now.
I'm happy with this deal. For those who are talking about lukaku's bad first touch, I remember drogba having an awful first touch in his first season. That stuff can be improved.
Spot on. There's been some absolute nonsense spouted in here about Morata being the superior player ect. when Lukaku is far far more established. The difference is light and day in that regard, no matter what people blabber on about technical Danny Welbeck ability rubbish. There seems to be a fixation on the Caf with attackers that look nice on the ball, but do little in the final third. We need a striker like Lukaku that just does the business. A no nonsence beast in the box.
This is a strange mindset. Over the season we saw that in the front half we were playing Football that was quite dynamic and creating many chances.
It was when the injuries piled up especially to Zlatan and our CBS and especially in the last few games where we went for the Europa League that our play become dire.
Mourinho is a manager that appears to study his opponents in great detail and counters their tactics. By logic, this means that if Football in general has evolved then Mounrinho's way of countering those will have evolved to keep up. Plus that also says to me that he is flexible to adapt to playing against different opponents and styles.
This I find that notion that Mourinho is this inflexible Football dinosaur to be a very strange one.
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In that I can not agree simply because I have never valued the style of Lukaku and I think that Morata is a better player, but its also true that United need goals and that perhaps the fact of the sale of Rooney put the signing on a silver platter.
Perfectly fine is an understatement. It's definitely needs Improvement.
Really think we should go for him as well and play two upfront. We'd have Rashford, Martial, Lukaku and Morata. The first two can also cover wide to get more game time.
That's probably where we were going with Griezmann. Maybe Morata could still allow that, but Lukaku?
If we fail to secure a quality winger this summer, I think we should go for Morata and Lukaku. There is no point buying someone average like Perisic who in reality only costs 20 million less than Morata. Morata is younger and a better player.
I don't get this whole current market people are going on about, the prices quoted for players has been extortionate but a lot of it is just that, quotes. As far as I'm aware, the two most expensive signings so far have been Lacazette at £52m and B.Silva at £43m, wouldn't say theres anything crazy about that.
What have Madrid done with the player to make him worth 3 times the amount you paid Juventus for him last summer? You're talking about him being in the top 5 most expensive players of all time, a player who isn't a starter.....
Hi.
I never claimed I knew Lukaku was in the works for over a year. I was there when Pogba signed though. Made a video about it and took photos. Do you want me to ask the Lowry if I can have the CCTV?
I didn't try to look like an ITK over Morata either. I think the player expected it done. Told Spanish team mates and it found its way to me.
Anything else you want setting straight on just ask me.
Enjoy your evening
This thread suddenly got very tasty 
This is finished with.
United wouldn't have briefed everyone today (including the BBC) that we've ended our interest in Morata if there was still a chance we could sign him.
The ship has sailed. It wouldn't make sense to sign both anyway. If both were to start up front, the likes of Martial, Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Pogba would have to operate in a 4 man midfield, which they would be totally unsuited to.
I would say something if either Morata or Lukaku were adept to playing as wide forwards, but they're clearly central players.
United wouldn't have briefed everyone today (including the BBC) that we've ended our interest in Morata if there was still a chance we could sign him.
The ship has sailed. It wouldn't make sense to sign both anyway. If both were to start up front, the likes of Martial, Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Pogba would have to operate in a 4 man midfield, which they would be totally unsuited to.
I would say something if either Morata or Lukaku were adept to playing as wide forwards, but they're clearly central players.
Got any more news? I've bored myself on Lukaku.
That is what Pogba as "can do anything" midfielder. It's not discipline issue or midfield lack another body, it's actually the attackers for many occasion couldn't carry their weight leading Pogba to do more thing last explained in my initial post. In Southampton game, not only attacking showed problem, then defense which often did better, became useless. As I pointed, Pogba, Herrera & Lingard job is to man marking their midfielders. Problem is since both wing leaked oppositions to cut inside, it's hard to both man marking & cover the pocket of space; then join the attack.So I don't agree with you - so naturally I don't watch enough football ?Pogba can be disciplined - but players like him and Zlatan get frustrated when things don't go as they want. And thats when they drift into positions where they are more likely to get the ball and influence the game. Which is a good quality of course, but in a 2 man midfield keeping your position is vital. And when you see stats of Pogbas movement in a game, you will notice that he is basically all over the pitch. And I have never said Pogba hasnt got a football brains - of course he does. But he is 24 years old, he has not spent a lot of time playing in a 2 man midfield. This comes with experience, which he lacks. I have seen Pogba leave the man he is marking on set-pieces several times - it's not because he doesnt know what to do, but because he lacks the experience to defend. Many of our attacking players do - it's natural, it requires a set of thinking they are not used to.
As for the Southampton-game. Yes, they ran riot on both the left and the right - but they easily played their way through our central midfield as well - because Pogba and others didn't do their job.
Pogba sucks in aerial duel despite of his size, it's no news. However, he did improve a lot from when he first rejoined us, & that mare vs Lovren. Some where on this board, I had discussion with other posters that our set piece ability ain't Mourinho's standard at half way through the season. Seems like we slowly, but surely improved as season went. Beside Pogba, Rojo, Herrera did show better aerial ability.
Back to Morata, I don't rate him & Lukaku as top class & definitely have doubt they would reach that level. They're still very good, but between the two I prefer Morata more. Now the Lukaku news makes thing unpredictable. I doubt we would sign both given both would require to be the main man. Morata didn't move from Madrid just to play a more supporting role IMO
I can't disagree that Morata is a better player from technical standpoint. I just feel prices of say, 50m and up should be for proven quality. Morata is not proven yet, nor is he a prominent first team member for Perez to justify such a price tag.
We don't know the price for sure to come to this conclusion. If anything, it pointed toward Madrid asked more for Morata since it made no sense for us to go after Lukaku for the same price as Morata after all that effort. Using Morata as smokescreen to lower price for Lukaku is dumb since there is chance Madrid may inquire about DDG. Don't poke the bear, you know... Wait a minute. Perhaps, I am on something now. Maybe, Madrid doesn't just want cash but some crazy term associated with DDG, that got us pissed off. We're pressured to get signings in, so there is no time to play game with Madrid.
My thought maybe just baseless & offmark too, but there you go. We don't know anything for sure.
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Yes because it was Perez and Real Madrid who reached out to the player, promised him a starting role, agreed terms and then wouldn't meet the asking price Real Madrid wanted and then went out and offered that exact asking price on another player.
Real Madrid aren't the cnuts here.
Amazing how much you know how it all went down.
I was excited for Morata but why would anyone at United or anywhere trust Perez during this transfer?
Yes because it was Perez and Real Madrid who reached out to the player, promised him a starting role, agreed terms and then wouldn't meet the asking price Real Madrid wanted and then went out and offered that exact asking price on another player.
Real Madrid aren't the cnuts here.
Amazing how much you know how it all went down.
I was excited for Morata but why would anyone at United or anywhere trust Perez during this transfer?
He's explained himself on here TBF
Oh whoops. I see he responded again.
Anyone know if he is upset?
If Morata is off because of Lukaku then fine, wouldnt mind Morata after warming up to the idea after not really rating him.
But one thing that comes to mind is that we do not have to deal with Real and media linking him back every summer after 1-2 successful seasons here, and suddenly he "wants to go home" then we wasted alot of time on him and just helped that circus of a club Real making him better.
Just my two cents.
But one thing that comes to mind is that we do not have to deal with Real and media linking him back every summer after 1-2 successful seasons here, and suddenly he "wants to go home" then we wasted alot of time on him and just helped that circus of a club Real making him better.
Just my two cents.
I honestly despise the 14 goals in 15 starts or whatever stats Morata had for Juve.
Theres a reason he started so few games and its not because he's too fecking clinical. How many of his goals came from those starts or is he scoring from the bench?
The last Madrid player in a similar position was Owen yet Newcastle got fecked over buying a has been player who was statistically the best striker in Spain at the time.
It makes it sound like Morata scores everytime he starts a game which is ridiculous.
Iheanacho had a better record than that and he's being shipped off to Leicester.
Our 28 goal striker is injured so lets replace him with Morata who has barely scored 28 in his last 3 seasons...
Theres a reason he started so few games and its not because he's too fecking clinical. How many of his goals came from those starts or is he scoring from the bench?
The last Madrid player in a similar position was Owen yet Newcastle got fecked over buying a has been player who was statistically the best striker in Spain at the time.
It makes it sound like Morata scores everytime he starts a game which is ridiculous.
Iheanacho had a better record than that and he's being shipped off to Leicester.
Our 28 goal striker is injured so lets replace him with Morata who has barely scored 28 in his last 3 seasons...
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