I disagree but, even assuming you are right, he is still superior overall to Morata surely?
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I disagree but, even assuming you are right, he is still superior overall to Morata surely?
That possibility seems quite real, a bit of competition in the lead, although I would not understand that Morata cries for minutes to go away to fight for them again.
As Pexbo said, I imagine that the possibility of getting rid of Rooney is too tempting.
Maybe now Morata can go to Chelsea, and we talk about another Belgian
Him + Real's current attack would be quite the attacking line-up to behold.I think Real and Chelsea negotiating would be hell. Perez will keep changing the terms, then ask for options on Hazard, Courtois as part of the deal. With Roman's ego and Conte that may not end well for both parties. I'd say we are more likely to conclude a deal for Morata than Chelsea are.
Well I've yet to see any signs of of us going after any players that will elevate a team using such a limited striker, our only other attacking link is another limited, kick and rush winger in Perisic, so no I don't have any belief that Mourinho is intending to build a great attacking side, I think he'll build a physical percentages side designed to win ugly and to hell with anything else. As far as taking a step back, if that is how you saw my reply then fine.
Nope, Morata is a better footballer and has a higher ceiling if given the lead role at United due to his wider skillset.
Maybe it's not over yet. More twists will liven up the Summer.
Only if he had pushed real for a transfer. If he stays, another year as a backup and his chances for lead striker next year at WC would take a hit.
I would be worried if he ends up at Chelsea.
I would be worried if he ends up at Chelsea.
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Torino are asking silly money for Belotti, so Chelsea's options are somewhat limited. The reports regarding Conte's dissatisfaction with Chelsea's work this summer made the claim that it was the club (presumably Emenalo) pushing for Lukaku, while the manager actually wanted Belotti/Morata. I guess they'll now move for Morata, probably on the terms that Madrid were offering us (€80m + €10m add-ons).
It's not a matter of 5m. It's just the complications that we just don't want to deal with at this point especially because we are about to leave for our pre-season. It's evident that the player would rather move to United and Jose likes him. We were in similar position with Welback and we let him leave to a premier league rival without coming in his way for a reasonable price. Our initial bid was at around £52m which, maybe with a few more bonuses, should have been more than fair. The deal could've been concluded weeks ago but Madrid chose to drag it on thinking that we are desperate. Well it looks like we called their bluff.
Lukaku deal seems much cleaner and we are getting a more proven striker. There can't be any blame attached to United for this.
Fabulous post
Price more than fair for United but not for Madrid.The seller set the price,I read it here many times during De Gea saga.
In that occasion wasn't clean either since he had to go to the preseason.
I still think that will be sold this summer.
Only in one match to be fair. In the next match Blind had quite a lot of trouble against him, although I can't remember if Lukaku actually ended up scoring or setting up anyone.
The problem is that a limited striker becomes almost useless when his sole area of strength is taken away from him.
The game has simply progressed beyond where you can be a successful top club with such a limited striker upfront. Lukaku would have to add more to his game to make the investment worth it and I am not getting my hopes up on that happening.
A player of his size and pace should never struggle against a defender like Blind even for a second.
Whoever says price is set by the seller is obviously incorrect. Price as it's defined is what a willing informed buyer and a willing informed seller agree upon.
A seller can have a nonnegotiable stance of course, but there is always a risk that the buyer will just look for alternatives. In case of DDG, Madrid's alternate options didn't exist as is generally the case with undisputed world class players. For Morata, we seem to have an alternative and a very good one.
Personally it's quite clear that Madrid wants to sell in order to fund the Mbappe transfer. Chelsea will need a striker so they are going to be desperate. Let's see which club is more desperate out of the two. I am just glad we aren't part of this game of cat and mouse anymore.
Problem is they could sell Morata and find that Mbappe does not want to move this season.
Conte has worked with this chap before, let's see how much he really wants him. I'd say Real may even raise their price now knowing Chelsea are desperate for a striker
This transfer has deadline day drama written all over it. But Chelsea are surely Morata's last bet to regular football next season. Unless of course, Real drop the price demands significantly and in that case, we can go back in and still get him towards the end of the transfer window.
Except, Roman and Conte probably won't be the ones negotiating
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/meet-marina-granovskaia-chelseas-transfer-5103558
I thought Conte left before Morata got to Juve?
Too many, but it is done
If he doesn't leave, Madrid can't get their paws on the latest shiny toy (Mbappe). He's out one way or another I feel, but Real won't be getting anywhere near the price they were holding out for. Feck 'em.
This is what a lot of fans seem to be overlooking.
To pay £75M for that kind of limitation is really horrendous
Football has moved on and evolved, but Jose insists on sticking to his methods.
I also think that Lukaku's limitations will also affect our play in general and I think I will personally not enjoy watching it. We'll see I guess.
This is what a lot of fans seem to be overlooking.
To pay £75M for that kind of limitation is really horrendous
Football has moved on and evolved, but Jose insists on sticking to his methods.
I also think that Lukaku's limitations will also affect our play in general and I think I will personally not enjoy watching it. We'll see I guess.
FFS , the guy won the league three years back.
Might be tough on him, especially as we don't know what went on behind scenes. But he might not have pushed hard enough and RM has been dicks / unwilling to sell, from the beginning. Their asking price was ridiculous so we moved on.
No you're right, the manager who lifted the premier league trophy just 2 years ago is now a football dinosaur. I disagree with a lot of his methods, but c'mon man, Jose knows how to win.
You love him fine, but I'm not changing my opinion. He has not evolved at all.
Thats life/football. It is a business, even if the caf tells you differently, there is not much time for feelings, especially not with Perez and Real. He knew it also it could go tits up. He will either be backup for another season and then move on or try to push for a move now to another club. He will survive it, i dont think we promised him anything.
Except, Roman and Conte probably won't be the ones negotiating
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/meet-marina-granovskaia-chelseas-transfer-5103558
I'd sign for her. Looks like she forgot to remove the bdsm toys in her ears, you dirty bastard Hazard.
Where did I question his winning mentality? I said he hasn't evolved in his methods - and that is true. It's fine if you don't mind that, but I find that unsatisfactory.
Do you know any managers who change their styles over the course of their careers? It's not going to happen and I am also not happy about some of the tumescent stuff we play but all I am saying is that Jose is not going to change or evolve, he knows one way of winning and he will stick to it.
Conte signed Morata and left Juve the same summer so he has never managed him in a game but they were at Juve together for a short time.
If we dont sign morata, I sincerely hope he doesnt go to Chelsea as I expect he would make their attack more dynamic without the volatility of Costa.
Always felt it was easier to defend against Lukaku than Morata
Always felt it was easier to defend against Lukaku than Morata
That's fine if he keeps his way of working, but that's not good for the club in the medium to long term. In fact, I'm anxious about it working in the short term as other teams seem to have a better attacking 'philosophy' already, and will more than likely reinforce that with personnel this transfer window.
I don't want us to be one dimensional. Is it so bad that I want us to progress and don't believe imho that this is the way to do it?
I guess I want a manager that is flexible, and will work more for the good of the club, instead of feeding their egos and insisting on not improving a clear flaw in his approach.
Cut his honeymoon short for this. Nice one Perez
I agree and disagree! Lukaku is limited as a footballer and won't be pretty to watch in some ways. He is also not worth 75 million. He is also unlikely to be influential in big games. What he will do however is be a hell of a lot more clinical than any player we've had for years against the smaller teams. This is what we need in the premier league. Morata is a fantastic player and would have been great for us and he will be great for whichever club he goes to but to me it all felt like a short term thing - a stepping stone to return to Madrid in a few years.
Time will tell!
All fair points and I agree on every one of them.
As far as Morata is concerned though, he's as much a donkey as Lukaku which is not much of a donkey at all. Neither of them are on the same level as Zlatan, Aguero, RVP in their prime nor do I see them getting there.
Lukaku is the best striker available and gets way too much stick for his technique while Morata is getting way too much hype about his. Mourinho will know how to play to Lukaku's strengths.
The rate that Lukaku was banging them in last year should be a good indication of what he can do with the amount of chances we are capable of creating. Anyone basing their opinion of him on one game vs Daley Blind should consider how dominant we were in that game - from what I remember Jose's tactics meant he had very little service.
Fair enough. Let's see what happens - only good things I hope...
Real you can keep your morata
But Zlatan's abilities on the ball played a part in creating those chances. His legs were largely gone, but he was still above most strikers in terms of movement, intelligence and technical abilities. You'd now have to insert Lukaku in his place in the passing chain.
(obligatory Squawka stats comparison:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...s/pass_completion/chances_created/assists#avg )
Not saying it can't work, but the creative balance will probably have to be recalibrated.
THIS.
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