Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Android1974 said:
He didn't at Porto, Chelsea and Inter, he just used it at Real Madrid and Chelsea second spell. United has a 4-4-2 tradition and had a hard time breaking lower teams at home. Why wouldn't he do it? Besides, he effectively used 4-4-2 in some of the last games of the season, although a defensive version of it.
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I've seen Jose's teams adopt a 4-3-3 on occasion but I've never seen him turn to a 4-4-2.

In which games did we play 4-4-2 last season? I mean actually start the game with it, rather than turning to in a moment of desperation when searching for a winner.
 
Devil may care said:
One is a quality footballer the other is a #9 lump for Pulisball that was pocketed by our CB's every time we played them, we play against tight defenses where his lack of agility and movement will be exposed.
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Horrendous post to say the very least. Ignorance personified.
 
VorZakone said:
This 'teaching Real' stuff is a bit cringey when Real won the league/CL last season. If he stays at Real they'll have a more than adequate back-up striker who bangs in goals when he comes in. Doubt they're that bothered by it tbh.
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Agreed. There's no such thing as 'winning' in the transfer market. It's the value of the silverware that counts.

Lukaku will be an excellent PL signing. I don't know how effective he will be in the knockout stages of the CL against the big boys. But since I hope we are concentrating on winning the Premiership next season, I'm pleased with this signing.
 
Devil may care said:
Morata is a much better all round footballer, you need that in your top sides, players like Suarez, Aguero, Benzema, Lewandowski are all excellent footballers, not just goal scorers, Lukaku's all round game is poor and not good enough for a side aiming for the CL.
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Same was said about Drogba and then the world watched him improve his all round play until he became one of the most feared strikers in the world.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Ibra also offered far more than Lukaku does with his back to goal, in the build up, defter with his movement in the box, makes better decisions and also a big game player.
Literally the only thing you can think of that Lukaku offers better than Zlatan is hes obviously quicker and can offer a threat in behind.

So what does he add to our game next season? instead of whacking it onto Ibra's head, we'll have an extra option of hoofing it over the top for him to chase inbehind?
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Wait for griezmann next summer, also add a dynamic player in the midfeild who helps in attacking transition in a better way than a deep sitting midfeilder. Besides lukaku is some what creative too , he aint a total lump though.
 
Devil may care said:
Exactly the opposite of why many never wanted him as a United manager, and on top of that Lukaku's hold up play is crap so that tactic wont work like it did with Ibra.
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It is what it is. I would not say its total crap though. It sure will work other wise mourinho would not have cared about the price for morata. Besides Lukaku is a better finisher there is no doubts about it.
 
Mainoldo said:
Martial is potentially better than Morata. Not good business.
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Exactly my point. He is potentially a better player. Therefore, either he is up for the fight to fulfill his potential, or we sell him at break even or a small profit. The culture has to be cut throat competitive whicn will bring the best out of the players. Too many times in recent years, mediocre players have stayed in their comfort zones or stagnated due to lack of quality players in each position.
 
Random Task said:
I've seen Jose's teams adopt a 4-3-3 on occasion but I've never seen him turn to a 4-4-2.

In which games did we play 4-4-2 last season? I mean actually start the game with it, rather than turning to in a moment of desperation when searching for a winner.
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For instance, Chelsea (a FA Cup) (Mkhitaryan, Rashford), Middlesbrough (a) (Mata, Rashford), Chelsea (h) (Lingard, Rashford), Arsenal (a) (Rooney, Martial). You could say it's still 4-2-3-1, but I'm focusing on the differences. Basically, it became an option when Zlatan got injured, to deal with the fact nor Rashford nor Martial can play alone upfront, so another attacking player had to be closer to the striker than having the wingers up the field as usual.
 
Android1974 said:
Sure, but he did start a Champions League final with Pandev, Milito and Eto'o upfront.
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Exactly so we could very well play Rashford, Lukaku AND Martial in some games or could even drop one of Mkhitaryan or Mata in between as a 10 amd go with Rashford, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan/Mata and Martial.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I am. Probably because I had been expecting Morata. :lol:
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I am indifferent between the two because I am not totally convinced by either of them for totally different reasons.

I think we are overpaying for either, but we played a huge role in creating this market.

I would give either a chance though. Proven strikers in this league are a plus in my book.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Chelsea don't need strengthening as much, apart from a striker, so they might be willing to go that bit extra. Also think he would fit in well there.
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I also think so, But surely Morata should be way below Lukaku's price in an ideal world. Just the case of we aint getting mugged by madrid.
 
Might be harsh on Morata, all this… Looked like a good fit for us, although not perfect, specially if we were only signing him.
 
Sorry for Morata, but he needed an agent to start throwing chairs etc around Perez's office a la fat Riaola.

Chelsea will get him now, and I feel they will have the better more complete player.
 
Akash said:
No it wasn't:lol:

Lukaku is nothing like a Pulis striker. Long balls to him are his weakness.

You should spend some time watching him play before chatting rubbish.
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Wow, you guys are taking this far too seriously.
The transfer window is supposed to be a little bit of fun. When we play our actual games - now that is serious business.
Chill out guys and don't take this so seriously.
 
prtk0811 said:
The ship will arrive again next season. We need better attacking dynamics to make other's like mkh and martial and rashford and pogba score as well. And it will come by a dynamic player in the midfeild like fabinho who helps in better tansition.
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Should we ruin next season to wait for someone who preferred the Madrid's answer to Everton for us? We need goals. Neither Lukaku nor Morata can provide them on their own. We need to move for someone else
 
Akash said:
No it wasn't:lol:

Lukaku is nothing like a Pulis striker. Long balls to him are his weakness.

You should spend some time watching him play before chatting rubbish.
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I've seen plenty of him, his hold up play is poor, I have already said that, but you can lump in crosses for him all day, he's not bad aerially at all, just look at the stats, so please quit your shit. I was spot on that his lack of movement and agility will be exposed by the way teams play against us and that his touch is poor, which you ignored.
 
devilish said:
Should we ruin next season to wait for someone who preferred the Madrid's answer to Everton for us? We need goals. Neither Lukaku nor Morata can provide them on their own. We need to move for someone else
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Again as i said , we need goals from martial MKh pogba and rashford and mata more than a single another player. The griezmann farce have forced us to wait.

We may be also signing another goal scoring winger who knows.
 
prtk0811 said:
Again as i said , we need goals from martial MKh pogba and rashford and mata more than a single another player. The griezmann farce have forced us to wait.
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We need goals. 1 single player won't provide that and the current players have failed miserably in it. Hopefully Lukaku and Morata will be the kick at the backside they need to start doing their job well. Regarding Griezmann he made his choice and he will have to live with it. United are way bigger then Griezmann
 
prtk0811 said:
Again as i said , we need goals from martial MKh pogba and rashford and mata more than a single another player. The griezmann farce have forced us to wait.
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If those don't deliver any striker will be a waste of time. The amount those players produce Lukaku will need 30 goals.
 
Devil may care said:
I've seen plenty of him, his hold up play is poor, I have already said that, but you can lump in crosses for him all day, he's not bad aerially at all, just look at the stats, so please quit your shit. I was spot on that his lack of movement and agility will be exposed by the way teams play against us and that his touch is poor, which you ignored.
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Spot on yeah sure. Pulis ball ffs

What rubbish.
 
Android1974 said:
For instance, Chelsea (a FA Cup) (Mkhitaryan, Rashford), Middlesbrough (a) (Mata, Rashford), Chelsea (h) (Lingard, Rashford), Arsenal (a) (Rooney, Martial). You could say it's still 4-2-3-1, but I'm focusing on the differences. Basically, it became an option when Zlatan got injured, to deal with the fact nor Rashford nor Martial can play alone upfront, so another attacking player had to be closer to the striker than having the wingers up the field as usual.
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Ah yes after Zlatan got injured. I recall slight variations in the tactics in those games but I do not remember seeing 2 strikers up front. He may have turned to a 4-3-3 - which in truth is essentially a more attacking version of 4-2-3-1 for all intents and purposes and looks very similar to a 4-2-3-1 to the naked eye - which is maybe what's causing the confusion here.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of playing 2 strikers up front at all, I just don't see Jose ever adopting a 4-4-2 system when you consider how defensively minded he is. The guy is just to pragmatic to use a 4-4-2. Love to be proved wrong though.
 
Akash said:
Spot on yeah sure. Pulis ball ffs

What rubbish.
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It's strange that you basically can't hold a proper discussion on any aspect brought up, we've bought a guy that you pump balls to and hope to get on the counter despite most teams playing too deep against us for that to ever be effective, you certainly don't play good football on the ground with a #9 that has the first touch of an Elephant.
 
Random Task said:
Ah yes after Zlatan got injured. I recall slight variations in the tactics in those games but I do not remember seeing 2 strikers up front. He may have turned to a 4-3-3 - which in truth is essentially a more attacking version of 4-2-3-1 for all intents and purposes and looks very similar to a 4-2-3-1 to the naked eye - which is maybe what's causing the confusion here.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of playing 2 strikers up front at all, I just don't see Jose ever adopting a 4-4-2 system when you consider how defensively minded he is. Jose is perhaps to pragmatic to use a 4-4-2. Love to be proved wrong though.
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The thing is we didn't have two strikers then, really. For Mourinho, the 4-3-3 is the defensive version of the 4-2-3-1. But I guess with Lukaku the eventual turn to 4-4-2 will be dropped, since it doesn't make much sense (unless we still get Griezmann).
 
Devil may care said:
It's strange that you basically can't hold a proper discussion on any aspect brought up, we've bought a guy that you pump balls to and hope to get on the counter despite most teams playing too deep against us for that to ever be effective, you certainly don't play good football on the ground with a #9 that has the first touch of an Elephant.
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I agree with you about the harmful nature of outdated model of manager-led squad development but this seems a bit extreme. You can't think of teams that played great football with oafs up front? Really?
 
Brwned said:
I agree with you about the harmful nature of outdated model of manager-led squad development but this seems a bit extreme. You can't think of teams that played great football with oafs up front? Really?
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No, are you counting Manduzkic at Bayern?
 
Devil may care said:
No, are you counting Manduzkic at Bayern?
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One of the most attractive teams in football history, Brazil in '82, had that big lump Serginho leading the line. There are lots more examples if you think about it.
 
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