Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Brwned said:
One of the most attractive teams in football history, Brazil in '82, had that big lump Serginho leading the line. There are lots more examples if you think about it.
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That was a team that played with complete freedom and reckless attacking abandon, not comparable to a team managed by a defensive manager with a donkey up top IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
That was a team that played with complete freedom and reckless attacking abandon, not comparable to a team managed by a defensive manager with a donkey up top IMO.
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Donkey up top? You seem to think that we have bought Crouch. Lukaku is actually fast.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If those don't deliver any striker will be a waste of time. The amount those players produce Lukaku will need 30 goals.
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If they were not capable of delivering we would not have bought them. Once the conditions and tactics are right they will deliver. Also Lukaku can get 30 goals with our service.
 
Saying we've ended our interest doesn't mean that our interest has ended.....but it's the next logical step. Morata coming back from holiday trying to hurry them up. Us rumored to agreeing this fee. Maybe Madrid were starting to bring De Gea into the conversations? Either way, we've a strange situation now where the player is unsettled and seemingly wants to come. Chelsea with Conte could go for him but they would be paying an awful lot or perhaps lose someone like Hazard. No one really knows how it will play out. There are bluffs and counter bluffs going on...Zlatan is still recovering at the club - if he resigns then Morata may really be off the radar...
 
StephenH said:
Hi, I guess I'll reply to all these! Long time lurker - now outed! Ha.




We do - but most of those interviews are arranged by sponsors and we get in, do what we have to and get out and there's very little social interaction besides the few mins you're there with them doing a video and there's too many people around to start asking what their favourite star wars film is and do they wanna go for a pint. FYI I didn't meet Herrera when we filmed with Mata & Herrera.




I do. I did. It wasn't. I was.



Exactly.



I don't remember how that went down. Wasn't my info that though. It came from Chris, I think.


I was only saying yesterday, there's been feck all in terms of leaks from United under Jose. LVG it was 50/50. Moyes & Fergie it was embarrassing how many leaks we had. I think moving from the Bridgewater hospital actually changed a lot of that, though.

I said on FTD I got a text message from a player. That was a lie. It was a whatsapp message. Apart from that everything I said was bang on. First team player at United. I'm assuming he got word through one of the Spanish players. Who I am assuming got word from Morata himself - being international team mates.

I don't get why they'd assume it was so close (exact words was 'by Sunday') only to fall through now - unless he was always plan B to Lukaku. I don't know if we've just played Madrid and Morata. I know only what I said.

I don't usually talk about transfers, as they're a feckin minefield. Last Nov or Dec Memphis told us he was going to Everton. That's what he thought. I did put that on Twitter. Which makes me laugh when people start giving ya shit - "tell your source he's a liar" - can only go off what you get told, can't ya?

I've had loads that I've been told and I've said nothing and it didn't come off - Fellaini thought he was going to Italy in Jan, even said goodbyes to his neighbours. Didn't go. Obviously. A club director told me Kroos was coming in 2014. Didn't happen. Fabregas' agent told me Fabregas would be Moyes' first signing - and I did write about that and it didn't come off. Rooney to China last summer was one I'd been told at the same time (Jan 2016) as a guy told me Jose was coming - one happened, one didn't what do you make of that? This summer I got told by an agent, one of their colleagues had been in Manchester on behalf of Madrid and they'd wrapped up De Gea & Aguero to Real.

It's an absolute mare.

So bottom line, I have no idea what's going on with Morata. That's the first I've heard about a signing this summer and it looks like someone got played, somewhere!
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Thanks for the reply. Well done on that.
 
Devil may care said:
That was a team that played with complete freedom and reckless attacking abandon, not comparable to a team managed by a defensive manager with a donkey up top IMO.
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You see, now you're changing the story in the face of conflicting evidence. What you said is that you can't play good football with a donkey up top, full stop. What about France and Guivarc'h? It just seems like you're convincing yourself of the end result and you're shaping the narrative around that.
 
Brwned said:
You see, now you're changing the story in the face of conflicting evidence. What you said is that you can't play good football with a donkey up top, full stop. What about France and Guivarc'h? It just seems like you're convincing yourself of the end result and you're shaping the narrative around that.
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Oh come on, that Brazil '82 side was a totally different animal to regular teams, you know this. Name me a normal team playing weekly league football with a proper team balance that plays good football with a donkey like Lukaku up top?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Have we though. They still have the player who has always performed for them when needed. It's the player we have shafted and he doesn't deserve that.
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Unfortunate for the player but Perez/Real were asking too much for him and thought that Morata was are only target so they thought they could use that to their advantage.
 
Milan played great football with Inzaghi up front and all he did was stray offside and score goals.
 
devilish said:
We need goals. 1 single player won't provide that and the current players have failed miserably in it. Hopefully Lukaku and Morata will be the kick at the backside they need to start doing their job well. Regarding Griezmann he made his choice and he will have to live with it. United are way bigger then Griezmann
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We need goals from all round in a team effort for which we needed a better attacking balance which we will fix this season. Griezmann made his choice for this season only and ideally we should sign a second striker to replace rooney who played in the hole for united or on the wing too yet gets goals from all round the pitch. Morata is a striker and will really force us to play 2 striker system.
 
Devil may care said:
Oh come on, that Brazil '82 side was a totally different animal to regular teams, you know this. Name me a normal team playing weekly league football with a proper team balance that plays good football with a donkey like Lukaku up top?
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Lukaku has scored against every team in the EPL While he is quoted lesser money than morata. He is not a total donkey as you are assuming. Also morata was not sure to get the amount of goals for the price he was being quoted by madrid.
 
cyberman said:
Milan played great football with Inzaghi up front and all he did was stray offside and score goals.
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His movement was incredible though, saw him enough times at Juve where hes been useful in the build up, bit of an unfair critique of the guy imo.
 
prtk0811 said:
Lukaku has scored against every team in the EPL While he is quoted lesser money than morata. He is not a total donkey as you are assuming. Also morata was not sure to get the amount of goals for the price he was being quoted by madrid.
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We've been over this mate, Morata is a far superior football player, someone you can build an attacking unit around, with Lukaku you basically have tio build everything to his limited ability, it's a backwards step in the way the game is going with free flowing attacking units over one singular attacking point.
 
Devil may care said:
We've been over this mate, Morata is a far superior football player, someone you can build an attacking unit around, with Lukaku you basically have tio build everything to his limited ability, it's a backwards step in the way the game is going with free flowing attacking units over one singular attacking point.
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All of this.
 
Devil may care said:
Oh come on, that Brazil '82 side was a totally different animal to regular teams, you know this. Name me a normal team playing weekly league football with a proper team balance that plays good football with a donkey like Lukaku up top?
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I can't convince you if you don't want to be convinced. If you look at the teams that have played in the Champions League final since 1990 I think you'll find a few.
 
Devil may care said:
We've been over this mate, Morata is a far superior football player, someone you can build an attacking unit around, with Lukaku you basically have tio build everything to his limited ability, it's a backwards step in the way the game is going with free flowing attacking units over one singular attacking point.
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But the question is at what price? and the goal scoring numbers? This was always going to be in for calculation. Lets see if chelsea can go that high for morata as well. Madrid though they can take advantage of the situation and beef up the price to anything they want, Surely not worth the risk for going so high for a player who's numbers are lesser than lukaku and lacazette both.

If a player is not willing to force his move and burn the bridges to madrid we cant go over the valuation.

Morata is Lot more like a diego costa but a bit more technical.
 
Brwned said:
I can't convince you if you don't want to be convinced. If you look at the teams that have played in the Champions League final since 1990 I think you'll find a few.
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Just name me one that played with the level of donkey Lukaku is, that still played free flowing, exciting football.

prtk0811 said:
But the question is at what price? and the goal scoring numbers? This was always going to be in for calculation. Lets see if chelsea can go that high for morata as well. Madrid though they can take advantage of the situation and beef up the price to anything they want, Surely not worth the risk for going so high for a player who's numbers are lesser than lukaku and lacazette both.

Morata is Lot more like a diego costa but a bit more technical.
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The goals wont be as easy to come by playing against defensive set ups that he never faced when playing for Everton.
 
Brwned said:
Barcelona, Juventus, Milan, Bayern, Valencia and many more.
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Ok, who were the respective lumps up front in the Barca and Valencia teams? I'm guessing Manduszkic at Bayern and Juve who is still a far better technical footballer than Lukaku, and are you classing Inzaghi with Lukaku? That Milan team wasn't great to watch anyway IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
It's strange that you basically can't hold a proper discussion on any aspect brought up, we've bought a guy that you pump balls to and hope to get on the counter despite most teams playing too deep against us for that to ever be effective, you certainly don't play good football on the ground with a #9 that has the first touch of an Elephant.
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Because he's not a player who you pump balls into. He's very good with the ball at his feet and and thrives on passes into space and is very good at creating chances with his dribbling. Given the conviction with which you post id have assumed you had watched him play but alas....
 
RDCR07 said:
By that notion wouldnt Morata or any other striker have the same problem if they come to United?
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Not given he has better technique and agility to work in tight spaces, Lukaku requires a lot of room due to how poor his control is and how cumbersome he is.
 
Devil may care said:
The goals wont be as easy to come by playing against defensive set ups that he never faced when playing for Everton
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Could be solved by faster attacking transition, and a battering ram like lukaku. Its against top sides in ucl which may be a worry.
 
Akash said:
Because he's not a player who you pump balls into. He's very good with the ball at his feet and and thrives on passes into space and is very good at creating chances with his dribbling. Given the conviction with which you post id have assumed you had watched him play but alas....
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You clearly haven't watched him at all, to think you started out attacking me and come out with these utter lies.
 
Devil may care said:
You clearly haven't watched him at all, to think you started out attacking me and come out with these utter lies.
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If you think Lukaku hasn't created chances for himself with his dribbling ability you clearly need a visit to the nearest eye doctor.

Oh and i was attacking you shit and hilariously exaggerated posts.
 
Akash said:
If you think Lukaku hasn't created chances for himself with his dribbling ability you clearly need a visit to the nearest eye doctor.

Oh and i was attacking you shit and hilariously exaggerated posts.
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I'll see you there troll boy.
 
At this rate Lukaku's performance thread will be called Donkey 2017/18 performances thread.
 
Devil may care said:
You clearly haven't watched him at all, to think you started out attacking me and come out with these utter lies.
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While Lukaku stands as the first choice striker for Everton, scoring more goals than any other player in the Premier League at the moment, Morata is fighting for his place in the first team at the Bernabeu but has still been productive. The Spaniard has 11 goals and 2 assists compared to Lukaku’s 21 goals and 6 assists this season. But Morata scores at a rate of 1.02 goals per 90 minutes compared to Lukaku’s 0.72. The former Chelsea man has a shot accuracy of 64% which is better than the 58% that Morata has managed this season.

The Real Madrid man has also been a better passer than Lukaku with a pass completion of 78% compared to the 66% by the Belgian at the Goodison Park. However, Lukaku has played 33 key passes, almost thrice as many as Morata this season. He has also created 39 chances for his teammates, compared to just 14 from Morata. But when it comes to averages, both players have created equal chances per 90 minutes played.

Both players are strong in the air and have scored 5 headed goals each while Morata has 2 goals from outside the box compared to just one from Lukaku. Morata has suffered close to 3 fouls a game while Lukaku is now where near with just 0.99 per game. The Bernabeu man has also been stronger in the air, winning 56% of his ariel duels while Lukaku has won just 41% of his duels.
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The truth is always in the middle.
 
prtk0811 said:
We need goals from all round in a team effort for which we needed a better attacking balance which we will fix this season. Griezmann made his choice for this season only and ideally we should sign a second striker to replace rooney who played in the hole for united or on the wing too yet gets goals from all round the pitch. Morata is a striker and will really force us to play 2 striker system.
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Griezmann made his choice, ship sailed, our 2017-2018 campaign is more important then him
 
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