Well we will be bringing in someone up front. Jose has made a list of players, possibly one with CL football and without CL football. I don't know who is interested and who isn't in coming to us. I think the players that are interested from both lists need to be negotiated properly. In the ideal world we have our players at the tour, making sure they are integrated properly for the start of the season. I get a feeling of slight desperation in this window, you can see it in this forum for sure. I think Zlatan getting injured and the Griezmann deal falling through has messed us up. I don't think we should throw out an extra 10m just to get people on the tour either. We need patience and to be firm with negotiations, we also need the players to push for the move and put there club under pressure to sell. I just don't think we should give a blank cheque because Jose wants somebody.
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The links to Perisic are stronger to be more than just rumors. There's a point during any transfer that you stop calling it " rumors " and start to believe it's really true. Inter don't want to sell Perisic because regarding their team, he's one of about 3 or 4 players who are good in the team, and Spalleti seems to want him to stay to be like his Salah in Roma.
I know about Icardi problems but that doesn't mean the club won't let their best player leave for a cheap price just because he has problems with their Ultras. They'll milk him to no end.
I hope we sign Morata from Madrid and never do business with them again. Sir Alex was right all along about them. Never even sell a virus to that mob.
We have proper strikers in Martial and Rashford but we don't want to offer them our trust, instead we are seemingly willing to blindly give it to an expensive player who isn't himself trusted to start by his current and former clubs. Morata is a good player but we shouldn't be taken to the cleaners, we need wide players and we should reallocate the money there and bide our time for the right striker at the right time if our youngsters don't make the cut.
Rome wasn't built in a day, our money isn't going anywhere and isn't burning our pockets.
All in all, I can't see Real letting him go so early. Becuase of De Gea, because of them not securing Mbappe or just to dick us around.
I think they will drag this a little longer.
I think they will drag this a little longer.
Just to say I find the idea of Mourinho providing a non-Champions League list of transfers preposterous.
Proper strikers for Mourinho's system are the guys he mostly used on the leftwing last season?
For all we know, it is Inter spreading the rumors in trying to raise his market value and /or find interested buyers. Even in the current crazy market, Perisic is not a 50m player and it would be sheer stupidity bordering on lunacy for anyone to pay such a price. It is transfer season, with clubs, agents and reporters all fielding their crazy narratives.
Doubt Icardi would be a good soldier if we are interested in him. Wont be surprising to see him trying to force his exit. If he wants to leave, Inter would be stupid not to sell him even if it is for cheap.
Imagine if they dragged it on til deadline day and then said the fax machine was broken.
It's up to you to believe it or not, though. I agree he's not a 50m player but Inter this price because they don't want to sell him actually. They solved their problems with FFP from selling other players and they want to keep him, hence trying to force us out of the deal.
I don't think Icardi will leave for cheap but again I and you are just assuming, we won't know for real until someone try to bid for him.
Proper strikers for Mourinho's system are the guys he mostly used on the leftwing last season?
Henry and Benzema were once used on the left...
Crossed my mind but didn't want to say it at first.
I'm sure we're not that stupid to chase him till the last few days of the window, nevermind last.
I get your point but theres nothing that be done to the amount of money involved these days. Plus United are dealing Real now, they are the best team the moment like it or not.
It is what the current market demands even before Pogbas transfer. Thats what the oil money did for football. Stones for 50M. Mangala.
EVen without taking those into context Belotti is rumoured to be no less than 80M. Thats another unproven strikers.
Interesting that some people blame *us* for inflating the market with the Pogba deal. As if we're the first to ever spend money.
How many times have Madrid broken the world record? How many gigantic fees have they shelled out over the years? £85m for Bale 3 years before Pogba? £63m for James? £56m for Kaka 8 years ago? What about the Chinese? Or PSG's big spending past? The market has inflated itself, it's not our fault.
How many times have Madrid broken the world record? How many gigantic fees have they shelled out over the years? £85m for Bale 3 years before Pogba? £63m for James? £56m for Kaka 8 years ago? What about the Chinese? Or PSG's big spending past? The market has inflated itself, it's not our fault.
The anti-Madrid sentiment over this transfer is really misguided. With De Gea, yeah, I get it. They used all their surreptitious dirty tactics to try and force that deal. But this strikes me as different and think of the following perspective for a minute:
* Madrid having to sell Morata is very much like us selling Welbeck - homegrown talent that many fans were fond of and preferred to some of the foreign stars.
* this is a player the manager wants to keep. There is no doubt United would have pushed back harder w the Welbz sale if the manager then were keen to keep him.
- the two biggest differences for me are that Morata is twice as promising and accomplished as a striker as Welbeck. And we aren't a domestic rival the way Arsenal was.
So for me, Madrid's resistance to sell is warranted. And we should have probably weened a little more off Arsenal.
This transfer just can't happen quick enough for me.
He's exactly what we need.
Quick, strong, 2 good feet, exceptionally good in the air, very good link up play and he gets goals. Yes, we'll pay a premium, but feck it. If he bags 25 goals a season that'll soon be forgotten.
He's exactly what we need.
Quick, strong, 2 good feet, exceptionally good in the air, very good link up play and he gets goals. Yes, we'll pay a premium, but feck it. If he bags 25 goals a season that'll soon be forgotten.
We certainly should try to avoid bowing to the demands of clubs like Madrid. However, we've put ourselves in this situation. We've failed to invest adequately. We seemingly have no other options. What are our scouting team doing? We have hundreds of scouts across the globe, and yet we're focused solely on a guy you could have found by lazily browsing Sky Sports on a Sunday night during the season?
We have the money. Before getting rid of 5 first team players, we had about 200 million to spend this summer. Now, I'm expecting we spend at least 300. And yet we're still too slowly to react when it comes to both identifying our targets and bringing them in. Morata for around 70 would be fine. Fabinho for around 50 likewise. Not sure why Perisic is worth 50 when Lemar is available for 40, but whatever, spend 50 on Perisic if we must. That would bring us to 200 spent. And we'd have about the same quality of team as last year. We'd then need to go all out on a blockbuster attacking signing. Personally, I think Alexis Sanchez is available and we should throw money at him. After we allowed Silva to go to City, we cannot do the same with Sanchez otherwise we'd risk falling behind. Dybala would be the alternative, but he'd be double the price.
We have the money. Before getting rid of 5 first team players, we had about 200 million to spend this summer. Now, I'm expecting we spend at least 300. And yet we're still too slowly to react when it comes to both identifying our targets and bringing them in. Morata for around 70 would be fine. Fabinho for around 50 likewise. Not sure why Perisic is worth 50 when Lemar is available for 40, but whatever, spend 50 on Perisic if we must. That would bring us to 200 spent. And we'd have about the same quality of team as last year. We'd then need to go all out on a blockbuster attacking signing. Personally, I think Alexis Sanchez is available and we should throw money at him. After we allowed Silva to go to City, we cannot do the same with Sanchez otherwise we'd risk falling behind. Dybala would be the alternative, but he'd be double the price.
If i am not mistaken Lacazette played on the wings before too right? Part of their education I think.
That's "only" ~66% more than he have scored at his best season. And more than 3x what he have scored at his second best season. He should show something before we talk about 25 goals. But of course nobody thinks about price IF he can do it. You can say same about all the strikers, IF.
Yes, he started on the wings. Aubameyang too.
Because he's never been a starter
Where do people come up with these utterly pointless arguments
This is the post everyone on this board should read before judging your current transfer fees. Nailed it.
Because he's never been a starter
Where do people come up with these utterly pointless arguments
Its a legitimate concern in my opinion and its something thats been pointed out over and over in this thread.
At 24 Morata hasn't lead the line consistently for any club let alone a top club. To put all the burden on him for getting us goals would be really foolish. For him to start 50 games will be a new thing let alone perform at the highest level for an entire season. Therefore it can't be said for certain that he will succeed in his first season at United (if he joins us)
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I think certain targets wouldn't come if we had no cl football. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but I'm sure it would effect there decision. I think it would be naive to not have plans in place, incase we had no CL football.
I have to say, this might be the most boring debate in recent football history. We’re just going round in circles at this point, hopefully something actually happens soon and we can change the record.
Ibra got a lot of goals for us and had a terrible conversion rate. As he'll be our main striker he'll get a fair few chances to convert. I'd say he'll get over 20 in his first season., if we sign him.
Once the Ronnie issue is sorted, we should see some movement in the market. Does anyone actually expect Real to sell a striker whilst Ronaldo's future is unsure?
Good answer. They would not necessarily be lesser players, but are not as swayed by the CL. Some would come because it is Jose asking them to sign for Manchester United.
Considering he probably spent 66% of his time on the bench in those seasons, i'd say it isn't an unreasonable expectation.
Well said.
I don't disagree that there is a question of whether Morata will be able to be the "main man" persay and lead our line.
But, the argument that he hasn't scored a lot of goals in the past is analysis equivalent to that of a 5 year old's capability, considering he's broadly been limited to substitute appearances and infrequent game time.
A better analysis would be to, for example, consider his goal:game ration and build in an adjustment for potential benefit for playing regularly, or an adjustment for adjusting to the UK. You can't just look at his goal tally and assume that means there is a risk.
Well he has only been at two clubs - Real and Juve, and not being a starter at either club is not evidence of a lack of quality. Put him at any of the lower clubs and he would be a guaranteed starter.
One could make a similar argument about Isco who has primarily been a sub at Madrid since he joined despite being an almost guaranteed starter for Malaga at a much younger age. Still he has the quality to be a guaranteed starter at most of the top clubs including United.
Pay the extra money and get it done. A striker is of the utmost priority for us. Lukaku is gone, looks like we are not interested in Auba or Lacazette (fair enough, Jose would have a certain type of player in mind). Unlike players like perisic and matic, Morata can be a United player for many years to come. And of course he has still not peaked yet, so he will improve over the next season or two. I don't like overpaying for players, especially to Madrid, but with Ibra out and Rooney pretty much gone, we desperately need a striker and every club in the world knows it. Next time Madrid come knocking for one of our players, do the same to them. Also Morata should tell Madrid about his intentions to leave and ask them to negotiate a price with us. You either want regular game time or not. Decide and act immediately.
Yep we spent £10m more than the last record which was us selling Ronaldo to Madrid for £80 million almost 10 years ago which adjusting for inflation between both amounts is nothing
Worried about these Lukaku links coming out. I hope we haven't pulled out on this deal, because any deal with Lukaku would cost us more imo, and I prefer this guy over him.
His qualities can't be denied and for 50-60 million, I'd be happy to have him at United. It's the Gaby that Real can just demand 80-90 million and we'll have to give in yet again that angers me about this transfer.
And then, of course, there are certain doubts which are articulated in the overall great piece you posted. But at the same time, there are sound with almost every signing a club makes.
OMG Please let's do this already.
Really does. Great post. We will be fine. It's clear we are still very much in the middle of rebuilding for Joses vision. Give him what he needs to succeed and judge him on that. All the managerial turnover and the scouting//youth overhaul is going to take a lot longer than a summer to bare fruit also but at least it's being seriously addressed and we won't have so much upheaval again in the near future. I get why fans are panicking but the club are actually going the right way about things, for the second summer running.
There is lot of truth in this post. We have invested a lot in young players and not showing proper patience with them, to let them develop and now we are throwing money again on some other player.
Club needs success to keep the sponsors happy. Goals are an issue, so naturally the manager knows there is a need for a striker, we're already down our top scorer from last season and looks like Rooney is gone, so that's 2 of our top 5 scorers gone. Rashford isn't ready to lead the line for United, nor is Martial. We'll struggle to finish 6th if we can't get a striker to lead the line.
Rashford and Martial (if he stays) will get plenty of gametime next season, they've got to show Jose he doesn't need to buy to replace them, Morata is Ibra's replacement. Rooney gone them greater chances to play.
I'd prefer Morata as well but at what point do we tell Madrid to feck off and move on. The money being talked about now is very close to what we were going to pay for Griezman. Maybe the Lukaku deal is in the range of Lacazette or slightly higher - due to the PL premium - but makes more financial sense.
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