If the reported 80 million bid was turned down by Real Madrid, Woody should just say feck you and go and sign Dembele from Celtic. We need someone to score goals, and he is more than capable of scoring them. Since Mbappe is a no go for us, there are not many other choices left.
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There are always options, it's not as simple as Morata or another striker that Jose doesn't want. If you can't negotiate and agree on a player, you move on. £80m being quoted for Morata is outrageous, a squad player. There are always options for less money: Aubameyang, Immobile, Icardi ect. Point is, if you bow down to any clubs demands then you will be ripped off in the future by others. Just because United want a player, they shouldn't pay well over the odds.
He was 22 year old who joined a big club. He competed against Tevez who had his best season for Juventus. He was second highest goal scorer for Juventus. Juventus also had many strikers who were rotated. Morata did well to play so many games considering he was young player who joined big club.
I never commented on other players.
Morata scores goals when given chances and he has all the attributes to lead the line for us, yes it's my opinion that's why I'm posting that.
Wait. Did this news come from Goal.com?
Theres no way in hell Madrid are demanding 80m pounds.
Not a chance. We would have moved on to Belleti weeks ago
Theres no way in hell Madrid are demanding 80m pounds.
Not a chance. We would have moved on to Belleti weeks ago
Inter don't want to sell us Perisic unless for 50m but you believe Icardi, their best player, will be sold for less money than Morata ? seriously ?
Oh, I think they are mate.
Not surprising though given the whole De Gea situation and the fact that it's Real Madrid we're dealing with.
I would believe it if they said 80m euros but even that is a we don't want to sell him price. Never mind the fact this came from fecking goal.com
I might sign a contract with United. I might be 34 now, but still might be capable of the odd mighty performance.
Might not though.
Aubameyang, if you believe the reports, are probably going to be more expensive for United, in terms of total transfer fee and wages, especially the latter. Even PSG supposedly bulked at his demands. Auba has great scoring records, but I think his game relies heavily on his pace, which I am not sure would be good short term investments given that pace would be the first thing to go.
Immobile? I won't even go there. He failed at Dortmund. I don't want United to buy "Dortmund reject". Plus, "Madrid reject" sounds fancier.
Icardi, he is good player with good records. Interesting prospect, but not sure about him being cheaper, considering when they evaluate "average Perisic" at 50M. At the very least, he would command similar fee as he is not a "reject" and very much an important element to Inter's first 11, and captain to boot.
True. But then how many of the foreign players coming to the Prem are not first team regulars for the selling club?
Oh god, read my original post. It was an example, there are strikers out there for less than £80M. You completely missed my point.
Only lacazette and abamyang are there good enough to lead the line, Even lacazette is an underwhelming signing long term.
I'm afraid you've lost all sense of proportion and value. People can cite "transfer price inflation" until they're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that £79m would be a huge sum to shell out.
For that price you want guaranteed world class, but won't be getting it.
True. But how many of those foreign players came from the current CL winners and undoubtedly the best football team on the planet, plus how many have to compete with Ronaldo for a first team spot? Context, mate.
What De Gea situation? If my memory serves me right, they were the ones that stuttered for 3 months and made a last minute bid that we accepted btw. what's our fault?
Griezmann was number 1 target for sure but for the place behind the striker. The first credible source that linked us with Morata was few days after Zlatan injury. You can never be sure, only people high up in United know the truth but everything points out that we wanted both Griezmann and Morata after that injury. As Zlatan had some doubts about next year we probably discussed Morata even before.
Which striker can you buy now for that price that is guaranteed world class?
Whilst I get your point, its clear the price bars have moved, you're not getting a world class striker in this market for less than 100m (unless they are old)
Belloti wont go for less than his release clause, which is around the 80m mark I believe.
So Morata or Belotti will both cost an absolute fortune, with our focus supposedly more on Morata.
Any top tier striker we sign will be a near world record this summer, whether its one of these two, or Lukaku, or Kane, Auba.....
Just the way It is. We need to pay for somebody
That is just the market I'm afraid. I don't count Kane as world class, but no doubt you'll say that he would be worth 100m plus eh?
Again, my point is that we should not bow to ridiculous demands if a club aren't being reasonable. I'm not saying buy theses specific players or that they are better than Morata. I'm making the point that it puts on in dangerous position going forward in the market.Aubameyang, if you believe the reports, are probably going to be more expensive for United, in terms of total transfer fee and wages, especially the latter. Even PSG supposedly bulked at his demands. Auba has great scoring records, but I think his game relies heavily on his pace, which I am not sure would be good short term investments given that pace would be the first thing to go.
Immobile? I won't even go there. He failed at Dortmund. I don't want United to buy "Dortmund reject". Plus, "Madrid reject" sounds fancier.
Icardi, he is good player with good records. Interesting prospect, but not sure about him being cheaper, considering when they evaluate "average Perisic" at 50M. At the very least, he would command similar fee as he is not a "reject" and very much an important element to Inter's first 11, and captain to boot.
Is him first team player or not an indicator for him succeeding or not ?
Icardi and Auba are less than 80m ? you're dreaming, sorry.
Point being, Real are still very much bitter about the whole thing.
You don't beleive Perez is capable of bitterness?
Maybe you lost sense of reality. Almost all the best players in PL are foreign players. Btw there isn't a world class player available on market so yeah we are fine.
My point is that we should not bow to ridiculous demands if a club aren't being reasonable. I'm not saying buy theses specific players or that they are better than Morata. I'm making the point that it puts on in dangerous position going forward in the market. Don't bother quoting me if you don't understand my original post.
So, what shall we do? Face the new season, including Champions League, without a proper striker?
80 mil quid got you a guaranteed world class 8-9 years ago.
The Chinese offered €70mn for aubameyang, i don't see anyone offering more than that and Icardi too will never leave for more than £50-60mn, Griezmann was going to be sold for about £87mn, is morata really worth 80mn.
I understand your point, but what I'm pointing to that all other options will cost the same, or even higher than Morata.
That was before the huge TV deals. EVERY premier league club got at least 100m given to them this year. When average players like Benteke are being sold for 34m to Palace you know that prices have changed.
If you still live in that mentality that you can pick up players for 10-15m it just isn't realistic.
Do you know the wages China is offering Auba ? No European club will pay him such wages per week.
Again, Inter is refusing to sell Perisic for less than 50m but you're expecting them to sell their best player for 60m ? Really ?
Icardi's contract to 2021. £99mil release clause, not a penny down as you can see from Perisic.
Immobile is not a better striker imo.
Aubameyang is a strange one. Great striker but apparently not what Mourinho wants or he clearly sees Morata's ceiling higher.
It's not the best idea to pay quoted prices in the press for our transfer target because of future transfer dealings, agree on that. But unfortunately, we already kinda crossed that line with some of our past transfers.
Griezmann is a great goal scorer for the position and role he plays at Atletico. He is not a #9 and Mourinho would not have used him in that role (irrespective of what fans might fantasize about). What Griezmann would have afforded us is the use of a less prolific, and likely cheaper #9 e.g. Mandzukic.
Lacazette and Auba are different as they are #9 and should be evaluated as such, and in that sense, both are not typical Mourinho #9 who can play alone upfront and are comfortable with their back to goal. More so, Auba is too old for such an investment and Lacazette is not as good as Morata in my opinion.
As to Morata, in my opinion, considering all factors except transfer fee, he is the best of the limited options available in the market. He has enough experience, is young enough and has shown enough potential to be worth a substantial investment. There is no guarantee he will meet the expectation but that is true of almost any transfer.
Also I dont think the CF market will be any better next summer, as Real, Barcelona, PSG and Bayern will likely be in the market for a striker and there are not many quality ones on the horizon
I think because of where we are right now, paying over the odds for specific players that the manager has in mind isn't exactly a bad thing per se. United is still in the midst of a rebuild - one that has been going on for a while because of the turnover at the managerial position - which led to numerous redundancies; and crucially, we are short on the combination of quality + a bit of experience + tactical fits per the manager's detail (which is where you shouldn't err because certain managers need certain qualities in certain positions). The key is to get as many fundamental players as the manager wants to anchor the XI - irregardless of the fee, and make the team function at a somewhat appropriate level (relative to United's standard over the last couple decades) - and Morata probably falls into that category because of how critical a proper 'Mourinho 9' is to his tactics. If we buy Aubameyang, and he doesn't suit Mourinho's scheme (there's a high chance he won't because he is more of a 'forward', and in some ways quite dissimilar to the traditional #9s Mourinho has used over the years), or Immobile - and he busts like at Dortmund, you'll have to repeat the recruitment cycle again - and that will be counterproductive because you'll have more turnover and uncertainty.
Once you have those fundamental players, and he team is more developed, and you have a decent recruitment structure in place (we have been very poor in this department in recent years - hopefully, the addition of Ribalta and Guzman to Lawlor and Bout will remedy that), and start functioning like the well oiled machine we were in the not-so-distant past, you'll be at a much stronger negotiating position, and then you can afford to walk away from certain targets because the selling club wants you to pay over the odds. That's what separates current United from say Juventus or Bayern Munich - who have a fair few fundamental players to anchor the team, and have a somewhat consistent recruitment + organizational strategy in place which allows them to pick and choose in certain cases. Given that, now is not the right time to experiment because Ibrahimović was only a stop-gap, Rashford and Martial are quite inconsistent and (in realistic terms) will continue to be inconsistent over the next couple years at the very least, and Rooney is done for. Get the #9 signing wrong, and our season could be in tatters given the instability at the position, and the lack of goals from secondary scorers. If Mourinho thinks Morata will remedy that, you have to back the manager. Contrast that with say Lindelöf - where we could maybe afford to walk away given the positional strength in depth, and didn't have to pay over the odds given the nature of the club we were dealing with.
What has that got to do with the transfer fee, if he was going to china that deal would have been done already, he clearly wants to stay in europe. Inter want 50mn for perisic but they won't be getting that, same with icardi if they are sold the fee will be much lower than whatever inter may want.
Edit: He had the offer from china but still looked like he was on his way to PSG until they backed off after the new DoF thought the price to be exorbitant, i am pretty sure PSG would not be offering him anywhere near 30mn a year.
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Doesn't move around enough for me...
It has a lot, because no European club is going to offer him such wages, also how do you know he wants to stay in Europe ? I don't think you talked to him before. We're still early in July and he got a chance to sign for Paris and didn't go.
You're dreaming about Icardi and I won't say anything more.
For Mourinho also I think.
First you are assuming the rumors about Perisic are true. If we had made a genuine bid north of 30m, I would be shocked if Inter didn't jump at it. Demanding 50m for Perisic defies all logic and common sense and in my opinion makes it higly likely the stories are untrue. Better players than Perisic are being sold for less.
Second Icardi has a dubious relationship with the Ultras and selling him might be seen as a way to end the soap opera. An unsettled Icardi would be even more dificult to manage.
More importantly, the price for Icardi is highly dependent on the market. Inter will be stupid to demand a price close to Morata as then we would just buy Morata.
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