So technically we only have Rooney and rashford as strikers on pre season? 
If we don't end up signing a striker we are pretty fecked
If we don't end up signing a striker we are pretty feckedÁlvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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If Rooney goes, it's Rashford.So technically we only have Rooney and rashford as strikers on pre season?
So technically we only have Rooney and rashford as strikers on pre season?
Redcafe: "Jose really shouldn't leak about his disappointment in our lack of transfer movement"
Redcafe when the tour starts: "why do we only have rashford on tour as our striker, omg what are the club playing at"
Pay the money for Morata and place a RM clause in our players' contracts to double the sum Madrid have to pay for any of our players they want.
If Rooney goes, it's Rashford.
Lingard false 9 - "our Firmino"
Little unfair on Martial and Rashford dont you think. Both run at defenders
I generally agree. There's two things I'm not really sure of though a) is he Morientes' level or Drogba's level and b) are Martial, Mkhitaryan and Mata able to offer the necessary supplementary goal threat? From what I've seen he's closer to Morientes than Drogba, in which case I don't think he's really good enough to be sole/main striker for a CL winner. I do hold out hopes that the other players can flourish in his presence though, and I'm not sure there's many other players on the market that really offer that.
You can understand why Madrid are charging what they are but I think we'd probably be better off if Mourinho had a more flexible view on the kind of striker he needs. Someone like Dybala is probably worth the same amount but he's a significantly better player. It'd mean an entirely different attacking setup but I don't see why we should be so accepting of Mourinho's rigidity on this.
i don't really consider them out-and-out no.9's, more attacking wingers or CAM's that were given pseudo no.9 roles to cover for only having zlatan.
Pretty probable Mou is pretty annoyed with how United have been toyed with by RM and negotiations.
Pretty.
I think the dad and agent meeting a few days back was the turning point. I hope some of the reporting is right and he will be announced by friday.
Toyed with? Haha instead they are getting toyed by monaco and mbappe. Real madrid are just acting like a smaller desperate club.
Based on a 2014 skysports article, he went to Juve for about 20M and brought back for 30M, as Real activated the buy back clause. I dont think it would 30 if not for the buy back clause as Juve were intent on keeping him. Then again, it can be said it wouldn't have been 20M purchase in the first place.
Auba scored bucket loads of goals indeed, but I don't think he would that much cheaper, if reports of his asking salaries are to be believed. Not even PSG is getting anywhere near him or China for that matter. Chica, I love him, but he is unfortunately a one trick pony and have pretty poor link up play in today's standard. He would be a good option from the bench, but we all know what happen last time before his departure. He wasn't a happy camper (bencher).
I really think JM wants to build a future with Morata. He is young enough but experienced enough to play and cope with pressure with playing with the biggest teams as well as the biggest competitions. For Perisic, I think he would be back to back with Martial, and I don't think that's a bad thing. Martial is still the young, upcoming talents whilst has potential is still inconsistent which is expected from young players. We can't have two potentials vying for one position, that would be bad management I think. For Matic, I am not too sure. Probably Mourinho is looking for that "safe" bet as he knows the player, he knows what to be expected from him and the player knows Mou's demands. Maybe Mou has ideas on who will be his understudy for that position, as we have seen Tuanzebe played there, and maybe TFM? TFM, from I have seen him playing in midfield, he is very raw and lack the game intelligence like Herrera. He plays better at RB at would be a good position to learn.And enough with the JM wants to build for the future excuse regarding why we have our eyes locked in on Morata. If that was really the case then we wouldn't be in on the likes of Matic and Perisic over younger options such as Fabinho and etc. Fact of the matter is RM are probably holding a grudge due to the DDG situation from a few years ago and are definitely taking the piss. Might as well bend us over and have at it
I am not a WUM. I don't want us to spend 80m on a guy who has never been a main striker at any of the teams in which he has played. Now people will say it's not my money, but that doesn't mean I should just agree with whatever our manager or CEO spend on players. I don't have a problem if we get Morata for 60m, but if we pay 80m then teams will know that we are ready to spend big even on unproven players. That is what Morata is for now - an unproven player. Minutes per goal stat doesn't suggest that he can lead an attack on his own like Zlatan did for us. https://goo.gl/Gmu3BM this article has stats that show that Olivier Giroud had the best goals per minutes ratio last season, does that mean that he is also good enough to lead our attack? Many people didn't even know who this guy was couple of months but now some fans are already saying he is better than Zlatan and that he will get 30+ goals in his first season for us. FFS some people are even saying he has more goals per minutes than Messi or Ronaldo, does that mean he is as good as them?
Mate, You kinda just proved my point with this post. Did you see your own first post that I quoted?
You said 'the cycle started with De Gea' as if to say we were friendly before then that saga happened. There's clearly no cycle and its just business as you said above.
Ofcourse, that's why I started my first post saying it doesn't matter as every deal goes this way. I just cited the de Gea example to show that even if the poster I quoted believes that deals happen any other way, de Gea is the most recent examples between the 2 clubs.
Sure, couple of months back no one knew who Morata was, a striker who led the line for Spain in Euros or scored important goals for Juventus in CL especially in both games against Madrid.
So you don't mind 60 Million but have problem with 80 Million, based on what calculations? He is a bench player because he competes against Benzema who is perfect striker for Madrid.
No we won't. Real will unsettle that player and suddenly that player will say his dream was to play for Real someday. He will make a fuss and we will be forced to sell him for 30 to 50m
I don't understand, so disappointment that the club might have Rashford as the only striker means that we should also be fine with what is being leaked to the press?Redcafe: "Jose really shouldn't leak about his disappointment in our lack of transfer movement"
Redcafe when the tour starts: "why do we only have rashford on tour as our striker, omg what are the club playing at"
All who will cost even more.
Martial played the last games of the season there, so I would count him too.So technically we only have Rooney and rashford as strikers on pre season?
Indeedyeah, but you see, these are statistics and facts. None of that matters because its "embarrassing" that we want to buy a "madrid welbeck."
In all seriousness, I can't wait for this one to be confirmed. When he gets a chance he grabs it. He played second to ronaldo, he will now become the focus of our attack. We have one hell of a striker on our hands and can't wait to see a No.9 run at defenders again.
Extended his contract with Juve. Also if you believe if you believe the club who sold Pogba for 105m won't ask for +150m for Dybala then you are joking.
I'm astonished of how many here think transfers are done that easily just bidding for the player and it's done!
Yeah, exactly. No doubt Rashford and Martial will be our two recognisable strikers when the pre-season tour starts, that is unless we manage to wrap Morata up this week which I think is highly unlikely.
Pffftttt. We have Mata already for that. Wait, Mata, left footed, "tiny player" = United's own Messi
I would avoid being dragged by Real Madrid into this. We need two strikers anyway, so it's better to pay Belotti's clause immediately and then play the waiting game with Madrid for Morata.
And that is good enough imo.
I'm confused as to why you think other people think that. Some transfers can be sealed over a simple conversation and some can be long protracted sagas. I didn't suggest otherwise.
Really? Real madrid now cant afford a united player they'd like to sign anymore.
£80m would make him joint third most expensive player.
It might (I doubt it) be good enough, if Mourinho knew/wanted to play with (two) mobile strikers who can't play against the goal. Maybe that's too much to ask him.
I didn't say no one, I said many people. Was he a starter at Juventus? In his first season at Juventus in the league he started 11 games and 16 games in the second season. Many strikers score important goals for their team not just Morata, there are many average strikers who score important goals for their team. You want us to pay OTT for every player for the next couple of years?
You're talking about Dybala as if he's an easier target or something, if we entered race for Dybala now the deal will most probably get done by the end of August for a world record fee hindering us from paying anything to the rest of our targets.
There's a big reason why no club is chasing him now.
Finally, you don't know if any deal ended in one conversations or not, the 2 clubs might have negotiated and agreed fee for him for a long time before anything emerged in the newspapers and that I believe what happened in B.Silva deal.
I'm content with those two leading the line. We will need more firepower if we're to be competitive in the Champions League however, but one step at a time. I'm more concerned with our quality in the wide areas and central midfield. If our midfield chip in with 20+ goals this season, we won't be so reliant on our strikers scoring 30+ a season.
Martial and Rashford are nowhere near good enough to be our only forwards.
Aye, that's the real risk here, but I feel like in some ways you can't really label him that way until he's given the platform to play freely as the starting number 9 for a whole year. I think @Invictus made the point in this thread a few days ago of how his goal-scoring record throughout the youth set-up from U19s to U21s is a lot more flattering than his current, which seems plagued with caveats. I'm not sure if he's a Morientes type forward - a striker who simply doesn't score more than a 12-goal type of average, or just one who has yet to be let off the handle and given the responsibility of a full season as a striker.
Here's the post. It's a typical chunky Invictus paragraph
:Re: b) Personally, I think a crop of Martial, Mkhitaryan, Mata, and Rashford are very good, and up there with the rest of the league on ability. I put their failures this season down to a more systemic, tactical approach rather than symptoms of a lack of ability. It's not an opinion many will hold, I'm sure, but there's some fecking fantastic players there who have had some phenomenal seasons past.
Even at his sparklingly best Mourinho would hesitate to revolutionise his system in such ways. I mean, I'd love a hypothetical like that, I just don't believe it'll ever happen under his regime here - especially since he's been recently bitten and still smarts from the Chelsea debacle.Brwned said:
Edit: Also judging by recent comments with the leaks to the press, he still seems pretty prickly about transfers and such, I think he's reverting back to what he knows. Snappy behaviour to the press and a hard-working efficient side to tide him through.
Ffs. We'll need more firepower to improve our league position of 6th, never mind being competitive in the CL.
No, what's happened here is you're reading into things and drawing incorrect conclusions. I'm sure Dybala is a much more difficult target to get because he's much more important to Juve. I just gave him as an example of one of a number of players who are a significant improvement on Morata if we're willing to widen our horizons a bit.
We do know that deals have been concluded in one conversation because the people who were involved in the deal said it. It's an incredibly unimportant and boring point anyway.
Aye, that's the real risk here, but I feel like in some ways you can't really label him that way until he's given the platform to play freely as the starting number 9 for a whole year. I think @Invictus made the point in this thread a few days ago of how his goal-scoring record throughout the youth set-up from U19s to U21s is a lot more flattering than his current, which seems plagued with caveats. I'm not sure if he's a Morientes type forward - a striker who simply doesn't score more than a 12-goal type of average, or just one who has yet to be let off the handle and given the responsibility of a full season as a striker.
Here's the post. It's a typical chunky Invictus paragraph
Re: b) Personally, I think a crop of Martial, Mkhitaryan, Mata, and Rashford are very good, and up there with the rest of the league on ability. I put their failures this season down to a more systemic, tactical approach rather than symptoms of a lack of ability. It's not an opinion many will hold, I'm sure, but there's some fecking fantastic players there who have had some phenomenal seasons past.
Even at his sparklingly best Mourinho would hesitate to revolutionise his system in such ways. I mean, I'd love a hypothetical like that, I just don't believe it'll ever happen under his regime here - especially since he's been recently bitten and still smarts from the Chelsea debacle.
Yup, I like your optimism and Invictus' stats are very interesting indeed. Here's hoping he becomes our Drogba!
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