That's a big mentality and definition of a clutch player. You can see why Mourinho want's him so much.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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I think your missing my point, it's not just about accommodating Perisic, (who I don't think we need) it's also about having someone more effective on the right, especially as we are'nt being linked with anyone who plays there, Perisic looks like a LW and no more, whereas Martial, Rashford, Mhiki are all more adaptable and IF we do sign Perisic then in order for Martial to STAY in the starting XI he might need to play right.
Hit em with the facts!
Again, important is subjective. I retract the adding to tally point, but his goal tally is predominantly against bottom half teams or clubs fighting relegation in la Liga, barring 3 clubs. As I say, important goals need more context.
Going back to my root point though, there were other important players ahead of him for the club. And there are many other strikers better than him in the world today at a similar age.
None taken, no worries. Also, no disrespect to you but I will much more prefer opinions of Madrid fans about selling him, how Benzema was playing (that one was pretty evident to anybody who watched Madrid games) and how much he contributed to the title when this rumour started, then yours.
Nice, though, that you stopped reading from the second paragraph and then went exactly to the paragraph on which you are pushing your point from the start. No, he wouldn't break now in the most top teams exactly the same like Lukaku. Btw. Kane for sure wouldn't push Lewandowski anywhere tbf but nevermind.
The whole point is that he has the potential to become one of the best strikers in the world. Before you start banging about his age and how he should be already established Drogba went to Chelsea like someone already mention at the age of 26 with only one very good season behind him. The price was Chelsea's transfer record at that time.
If this is on hold because Florentino wants to talk to Cristiano first and hear the words "i am staying" from his own mouth, we will have to wait some more weeks as Cristiano will surely go on holidays now?
If this is because of some more million, it is stupid business from us. There aren´t even any comparable strikers available any more (Romelu 'the donkey' Lukaku no thanks), we need him to balance our squad and compensate Zlatan.
If this is because of some more million, it is stupid business from us. There aren´t even any comparable strikers available any more (Romelu 'the donkey' Lukaku no thanks), we need him to balance our squad and compensate Zlatan.
Well, then that's exactly what we missed last season. Goals against these kind of teams.
Could be sour grapes as we allegedly rejected a bid for De Gea. Alvaro needs to man up and force through a move. £80 million is crazy for a non consistently proven goalscoring leading frontman. I never would of imagines that he would cost this much at the beginning of the summer. Considering Paul Pogba was a record signing last year for 89 million, I don't see how that is now the standard for every decent/good player. I don't think this is the market, just some clubs are being cnuts. I mean Griezmann cost that much and he was/is one of the best in La liga and the world. There is no way that Morata justifies being the 2nd most expensive player in history.
I still think he'll come though. This may seem very cheeky but I clicked on his siblings on wiki. I could swear his sister is some kind of model or something?
I still think he'll come though. This may seem very cheeky but I clicked on his siblings on wiki. I could swear his sister is some kind of model or something?
It might be subjective but converting 1 point to 3 points shows how important those goals were.
Morata was behind Benzema in the pecking order and there isn't any debate on that, so Morata can't score against bigger clubs when he never got chance against them.
Vs Barca - Injured + Unused sub
Vs Atletico - Injured + Unused sub
Vs Sevilla - Unused sub + 0 goals (63mins)
Vs Villarreal - 1 goal (26 mins)
Vs Sociedad - 1 goal (101 mins)
Vs Bilbao - 1 goal (20 mins)
Vs Espanyol - 1 goal (89 mins)
Vs Alaves - 1 goal (23 mins)
Vs Eibar - 0 goals (45 mins)
So that's his record against big team in league (top 10). What you said has some truth in it, he wasn't played in big games but when he got chances against rest of top 10 teams he scored the goal.
Also scoring goals against midtable teams is very important, we have seen how much we struggled this season against midtable teams.
I agree with your last point, there were important players than Morata at Madrid and many better strikers than him in the world but that doesn't mean they are interested to Join ManUtd.
The longer this drags on the more confident I am Madrid will price us out of a transfer. They don't really need him but they want to fleece us because they know we need a striker.
I would imagine that we've given them a deadline for a decision on our bid and the rest is up to them and the player. This transfer will hang on how much Morata wants it.
I would imagine that we've given them a deadline for a decision on our bid and the rest is up to them and the player. This transfer will hang on how much Morata wants it.
I don't think you know what my root point was. I was agreeing with the notion that we are desperate for a striker, real know that and are making us overpay. I then said morata is no established top level striker so we need to stop pretending like he is (specifically referring to posters claiming he'd get into almost any team, which is ridiculous). You conceded it's the potential we are paying for which is what I said all along.
Not sure what your tangent about Drogba is about.
We're not going to wait that long, we've been burned before chasing players that decide to stay in the end anyway. We'll start focusing on other targets, if we haven't done so already for insurance purposes. We can't have the transfer window close and end up empty handed.
Madrid will have a deadline and they'll be stalling thanks to Ronnie's strop. We'll have informed the player of the deadline and it will be up to him to force this transfer through. If he doesn't, we'll sign someone else before the season starts.
Could literally be anyone on that plane. Click bait at its finest. It literally reads "private plane arrived in Manchester last night from Madrid".
That's the extent of the journalism done.
I don't disagree with your post here and understand he should play before being ruled as ineffective against top teams. Having said that, him only featuring and scoring predominantly against lower teams lessens the importance of the goals (because I think Real would have put those teams away anyway).
He's proven himself well in the games he played but my biggest qualm is that he hasn't shown enough (arguably from lack of chances) to suggest he's a 70m eur top level established striker. As a result, I feel it's an overpayment again.
And this cretin has the cheek to attack fans for being "transfer junkies" when he spews out this stuff 20 times a day
You muppets had one job! lack of plane tracking disappoints me
and luckhurst has the nerve to whinge about fans taking Di Marzio and others more seriously than him. He's a fecking disgrace.
what are the odds of it being someone we're after the amount of rich feckers in Madrid.I am arguing the fact that it's also Morata's importance to Real what is driving the price up. At this point in time, without Mbappe, they need him. Or they will sell him only for a crazy money. That's also one of the reasons why the price is so high...The price would be the same if Chelsea is in question. In fact, if they don't get Mbappe imo they would be crazy to sell. You and I started the conversation when I reacted to that post that Real is bending us over and especially that we are acting like small club buying from their bench. All I am saying is that Morata is much more important to them than you give him credit and while we're at it has a much more potential than you think.
Drogba is an example of paying a premium price by Mourinho for not so established player, older than Morata. A gamble that paid off. It's similar what he is doing with Morata now.
Just out of curiosity, similar age, better strikers? More importantly, better available strikers?
Astonishing lack of vigilance on behalf of the muppets. Totally unacceptable!
Don't complain or Samuel will call you a fanboy.
Clearly it's Ronaldo on his way finalize terms with City, his new new dream club.
Ronaldo wasn't in Madrid yesterday, he was in Russia. Your assumption is wrong.
Try again.
After 2 weeks of absolutely nothing the breakthrough in "Morata case" is the landing of an unknown private jet from Madrid last night.
MEN trying too hard to prove they're reliable.
Have to feel for them.
Have to feel for them.
Yesterday being the keyword here brother. Clearly he took a flight from Moscow in the early hours of the morning, arriving in Manchester only a shortwhile ago.
They said it arrived from Madrid so he took a plane to Madrid then to here. Could have taken the plane directly, either an idiot or loves suspense : " hey everyone predicted Morata but here I'm ! ".
Yeah all valid concerns. The price we are paying is too big and like the great man said "No value in the market", we shouldn't have ended up in this position but that's for another debate.
Also this season he didn't play in big games as Zidane didn't rely on him or for whatever reasons but if we check his Juventus record it's really good.
2015-16: Scored against City, Sevilla and assisted goals in both games against Bayern.
In the league he scored against Inter, Fiorentina. Also scored against both Milan clubs in the cup.
In 2014-15:
Cl: Scored in both games against Dortmund, won the penalty vs Monaco and won the tie 1-0 on aggregate, scored in both games against Madird, scored against Barca in finals.
I don't think he will have problem in big games considering his record in CL.
For me, I see more positives than negatives in this deal.
He's footballer so it's safe to assume both reasons played a part.
I never said those will be the exact amounts for which we will sign them.
Maybe its James Rodriguez flying in and not Morata?
I think that's a very good analogy and explains exactly what is going on.
I will accept the notion that the importance to Real is a factor. There's little to disagree with there.
Wrt available and on par (or more established) : Lacazette, Aubameyang, Icardi.
In Juventus he was considered as a big game player who steps when it's most important. One of the reasons why they wanted to keep him.
He also scored 3 goals in 4 games in Euro. So, he proved he can do it against big teams, small teams and on the international level. The only question remains can he make that final step to be a world-class, consistent striker.
This transfer is a gamble, no doubt about it. But, there are more positive, then negative signs as you already said.
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