Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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Agree with this - the fact Mourinho wants him does make me more intrigued into how we'd play with him.
Whatever happens with morata I hope we don't sell martial as a consequence. Woodward should take a firm approach to it. Jose has a wonderful history of buying the right players and selling the wrong ones.
I look at Jose so far at United - we are on the trajectory for the success that is almost destined to come.
However, 4 years down the line there is a legitimate chance that playing a player like morata as a target man is not what is needed.
Selling a wonderful and proven forward (not a striker) at this club would be a mistake.
I look at Jose so far at United - we are on the trajectory for the success that is almost destined to come.
However, 4 years down the line there is a legitimate chance that playing a player like morata as a target man is not what is needed.
Selling a wonderful and proven forward (not a striker) at this club would be a mistake.
Morata is Zlatan's replacement, how is Martial related ?!
We will get him alright, by overpaying if need be.
Madrid have us right where they want us. 70m for a squad player...all this does is highlight how far away we are from Madrid. They're gonna bend us over and we're gonna take it because we're that desperate for a striker. So fecking small time but then again we finished 6th and Real Madrid are the biggest club in the world.
When the biggest move of his career is ongoing, of course he wants to be close to the action. He's not just any Real player, he's been with Madrid since Castilla days and should know everything about the club and how it works. It's not hard to make a well educated guess on why he's in Madrid whether AS or any bullshit article reports it or not. I know i'd be doing the same if my life is on the line.
Do not be influenced by the idea that he is a bench player. Look at the competition in front of him and the good use he made of the minutes played.
On the price, it is said that Chelsea is willing to pay over 70m euros for a full back.
His contribution is not going to be dramatically important for the season, but choosing a good striker is, and in that case 70/80 is the right price.
Because martial isn't a winger - and he is even less of a winger if his job is to link up play with a forward like Morata.
So what do you want us to do ? I don't understand your complaint.
Well you're playing Martial out on the position on the right so you can start Perisic on the left. Martial is effective on the left wing. He can go both ways. He can go past the defender and cross or cut in and shoot. He is more unpredictable than Perisic. How often do you see Ronaldo on the right wing? Left wing is Martial's preferred position and thats where he does the most damage. So dont move him to the right just because you want to start a lesser player on the left.
I wasn't complaining buddy. I said that Jose has a poor record of selling the wrong players that he himself can't get the best out of. Buying Morata to me, indicates that Jose is using his tried and tested methods. From target men to wide players that play crosses from deep rather than attack defenders head on (ie perisic etc)
Remember that ibrahimpvic was bought as a 'career development player' towards martial & rashfprd - in turn what is happening is that we will have another player replacing them who play a totally different type of football to them.
Or he doesn't think either is ready to lead the line, and maybe doesn't want to go into the season with only 2 inexperienced strikers with no variation in play. So hes buying a third with a different style. Morata isn't going to play 90 mins of 50+ games.
Its almost as if Martial didn't just have a poor season.
Why do you care so much about Martial and Rashford future more than caring about the team winning or not ? It's not like we're getting a near to retire striker also. We're getting a young striker, too who's about to enter his prime, same as Rashford and Martial.
And what's the problem in having different strikers with different play styles ? We need variety in options to choose from. SAF had alway 3-4 good to great strikers to cover him all the season. We weren't complaining at this time if one of them is getting enough time or not. All of them were complementing to the team and that's important.
Let me sum this up : My last priority when talking about the club or new signings is what will happen to the present players. I don't care about Martial playing a starter or a sub, or any player leaving or not. My only concern is the team winning the title and that's the most important thing that the fans and the board should be thinking about. I have never seen United fans worrying so much about the future of the current players more than the team winning or not tbh.
I find it very likely that Rashford and Martial will keep on fighting for the same position, and that will be more forward than winger.
Wonder if he consulted Pochettino on this move 
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I really don't understand how Morata, a striker, is worth £70M. From what I have seen there is no evidence he will be an over 20 goal a season player never mind consistently be one.
You haven't seen anything then.
There were some facts in what he said, though. We are desperate for a striker, it's publicly known. Morata was also a squad player for Madrid. And we will overpay.
After 180 pages I'm still not sure why anyone thinks it's relevant that he's a squad player for real Madrid. He'd be first choice striker for almost any other team in the world. He'd be by far our best striker as he's considerably better than Rashford. Surely that's all that matters.
What? Barca, Madrid, Bayern, City, PSG, Chelsea, Juventus, United (if we had Zlatan), Spurs wont have him as their #1 striker.
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he averaged a goal every 84 mins last season over lal liga and champions league ... he actually scored 20 goals ...
undoubyedly as with any player there is a risk but to say there is no evidence seems as ungenuine as saying he would be a guaranteed success
He did say ALMOST any other team in the world, so not sure naming a few clubs where he would not be #1 really makes his point invalid.
So basically he meant the 2nd tier teams of the world? Thats nice wording there "almost".
What about Spurs and Everton? That's the one that needs to change ASAP - you can't have the richest club on Earth with a worse CF than both Spurs and fecking Everton, let alone City, Chelsea, Arse etc.
Genuine question for those that've seen him play a lot.
Tell you what, though: You say Clayton Blackmore to kids these days and they think it's a brand of whiskey.
This lad will do just nicely. The price is nothing. He'll do the job.
This lad will do just nicely. The price is nothing. He'll do the job.
Coming to end of June, tour up soon, could do with getting this done really.
What a load of pathetic crap.
Lukaku wont be at everton next season so they wont have a better striker and kane, as has been stated a million times on this forum since the end of the season, isnt available.
There's a lot of people who have a serious problem with signing players from Real Madrid; which makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I'm sure that if we could go back in time and make sure that Robben was included in the Ronaldo deal we'd all do it so what's the problem?
I'm sure that if we could go back in time and make sure that Robben was included in the Ronaldo deal we'd all do it so what's the problem?
Clayton Blackmore was the Jesper Blomqvist of his era. Quinton Fortune built his career around grainy VHS tapes of the adequate Welshman.
Fecking hell I'm sorry but it's these posts which frustrates me. He'd get into almost any other team in the world?
He's not getting into Reals, he wouldn't get into Barcelona or Bayern. You can argue he'd struggle to get into the current Juventus side ahead of Higuain, who despite being a flat track bully is established at 20+ goals a season over multiple years.
He wouldn't displace Costa at Chelsea, he wouldn't make it into the City side or ahead of Kane at Spurs. Heck even Ronald Koeman would think twice before displacing Lukaku for him, given he's been banging double digits in the league since he was what, 19? Throw Cavani in that list too, whose been a beast since finally playing as a striker down the middle following Zlatans departure.
I mean seriously, posters need to stop talking about Morata like he's an established top level striker. He isn't. He's a 24 year old who was often off the bench at Real, and deployed mostly from the wing at Juventus before that.
I'm not saying Morata won't make it, nor am I denying that he's an improvement on what we have. But stop acting like he's already some established elite striker.
Except it's not is it. Read above.
Apples and oranges.
Robben was proven quality long before his move to Real, Morata is a unknown quantity in this regard. Saying that I have a strong feeling he will be a success here.
You raise points that may be true, but they are totally irrelevant for the discussion and rationale of signing Morata.
Yes he might not start for Real, Barca, and Bayern. But that is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is what kind of players are available in the market that suits our managers profile. Lewandowski would be sensational for us, but he ain't on the market, and who knows if he wanted to come here if he was. Same with Suarez, Benzema and all the elite players that plays for the teams you mentioned. None of them are available.
What we know is that there are a group of attackers available. Lukaku, Belotti, Lacazette, Auba and Morata. Of the group of strikers available Morata is the best one imo, if you measure in what our manager wants. Morata obviously wants to come here (very important point imo), he is young, can develop further, would suit our managers system and want to play first team football because of the WC. If you summarise all these factors this buy is a no brainer imo. As a supporter I am sick and tired of players coming here for the pay check and with ambivalent sporting ambitions (Di Maria the prime example).
With Morata we get a highly motivated player who is at the right age and can develop to be an elite striker. He is our best option in this window, and if we don't land him I am afraid the alternative to him will have less quality which will hurt our chances of success in the upcoming season.
Except it really is. I will just give you a few clues why is that. Real Madrid doesn't have us where they want us. We have come to them shopping for a player they don't want to sell.
Morata with his goals was one of the main players in this La Liga title since Benzema was playing some other sport for the major part of the season. They need him, especially if they don't get Mbappe. There is nobody of his calibre and quality that they can find on the market currently.
Also, we are not in a desperate need for a striker, we are in a desperate need for a striker of Morata's qualities because he suits Mourinho the most. Otherwise, we would turn around and go for Lacazette and Auba but it's absolutely pointless mentioning them as they don't fit the striker's profile that Jose wants. So, they don't want to sell him and he has a contract until 2021. Of course, they will lift the price through the roof.
People seem to be ashamed that we are buying from their bench and are embarrassed because of that?!? I mean what did people expect in a world where Romel Lukaku is worth £100million...
Let's reverse the roles here. What if Madrid came in trying to buy Martial from us and he has a contract until 2021? What do people think it would happen? Martial currently isn't our first option and has a bad season behind him so his market value shouldn't be that high.
Do people think that we would give them some kind of discount because of that? We would based on the current market also ask for some silly price. That's what happens when you buy at a big club and the same one doesn't want to sell.
Morata has shown more than Benzema last season, it's no wonder they are thinking maybe we are offloading the wrong player here since he has the best years in front of him. If they are actually making that mistake, then at least they will try to make the buyer pay the premium price for it.
And people say that we look small time because of that? The same principle would apply to everyone who would go for Morata, for example, Chelsea.
It was easier to get Robben, Sneijder and Higuain from them because they were in a shop. Morata isn't.
As for your theory about him not being established, he was an integral part in Juventus CL campaign, won them Coppa Italia. He is established Spain international with about 20 appearances and as things stand today he will be their main striker for years to come with the best season behind him. And people are in shock why Real is not bending over. We would not bend in the same scenario and there is nothing here that makes us small time/embarrassing as people suggest. Those posts are actually embarrassing.
Also, these things about him not being able to be in the starting lineup of Barca/Bayern. Lukaku and Kane also wouldn't get into the starting lineup of Barcelona, Real, and Bayern. They would also struggle to get into the starting lineup of Juventus and PSG, especially Lukaku.
Morata potential is that he could be one of the best strikers in EPL whom we are buying from Real Madrid, that's the whole truth. Maybe he will make it, maybe he will fail as you say. There are no such things as a certain success when it comes to transfers but people also need to stop acting like we are buying in a second-hand shop.
That is not fair, is that all you think women are there for ?
Just looking at his total goals to games for the past 4 seasons...
9 in 34
15 in 46
12 in 47
20 in 43
Obviously the last one is the most promising, but does anyone know why his numbers are poor for his Juve time? Was he poor, or was it a mismatch etc?
It just seems a lot of money to pay, and a big gamble to make this guy first choice CF given those numbers.
9 in 34
15 in 46
12 in 47
20 in 43
Obviously the last one is the most promising, but does anyone know why his numbers are poor for his Juve time? Was he poor, or was it a mismatch etc?
It just seems a lot of money to pay, and a big gamble to make this guy first choice CF given those numbers.
Isn't the question more about whether he'd improve our team, as opposed to those other teams? At least for now. In any event, if those teams didn't have the players you mention, would Morata get a game there? Mostly yes!
Have you got his goals per minute stats?
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