Found last season's numbers now..... 20 goals in 43 games as you say but a lot of sub appearances? Actual minutes is just under 21 lots of 90, so some would say about 20 in 20/21.Just looking at his total goals to games for the past 4 seasons...
9 in 34
15 in 46
12 in 47
20 in 43
Obviously the last one is the most promising, but does anyone know why his numbers are poor for his Juve time? Was he poor, or was it a mismatch etc?
It just seems a lot of money to pay, and a big gamble to make this guy first choice CF given those numbers.
Found last season's numbers now..... 20 goals in 43 games as you say but a lot of sub appearances? Actual minutes is just under 21 lots of 90, so some would say about 20 in 20/21.
(As a basic comparison, Lukaku was 26 in 3,447 minutes which is 36/37 lots of 90).
No idea how good he is/isnt.... wouldn't pretend that watching him for half a dozen games last season means I can make a "yes" or "no" call on him and no idea if worth the money.
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Total 16/17: 43 20 6 8 - - 1.872'
Don't disagree and the money being rumoured seems a lot and I hate the idea of letting Real pull our pants down. That said, market has gone stupid in last year, income is rising and if he's the right player, we might have to just pay it.Thanks for the great reply mate. Much appreciated.
So it's better than it looked, but like you say difficult to call.
He was playing in an uber dominant Madrid team in La Liga as opposed to this Utd team in the PL, but then he could really be suited to the PL and just excel here.
I think if we sign another attacker I'll feel a lot better about this deal, but if we don't I think it's a real gamble.
Starting to get worried.
You haven't seen anything then.
he averaged a goal every 84 mins last season over lal liga and champions league ... he actually scored 20 goals ...
undoubyedly as with any player there is a risk but to say there is no evidence seems as ungenuine as saying he would be a guaranteed success
Never worry about transfers.
Not sure if serious?That is not fair, is that all you think women are there for ?
He's playing for arguably the best team in the world, in a league where there is a lot of cannon fodder. I mean look as Aspas when he was in England. He's a good player no doubt but not an out and out goal scorer.
Tell you what, though: You say Clayton Blackmore to kids these days and they think it's a brand of whiskey.
This lad will do just nicely. The price is nothing. He'll do the job.
The concept of having to play and perform well in a big game under a lot of pressure may go over the head of a spurs fan.He won RM the most points with his goals after Ronaldo. In a team with bale Isco bemzema James etc, that's a great achievement
He has also scored in many of the big games for RM and juve.
Although his stats from Juve are not seemingly great I remember him being very good there and it was a pitty when Real used their buy-back option for €30M odd to get him back. At the time I felt it as being undervalued. @Bepi @Vialli_92 would you agree?
You really don't understand what I mean? Of course I know how a buy back works. I also remember it being a bit over 20M Euros but Transfermarkt have it down as 30M.Undervalued? You know how a buy back works right? And the price I think was about 23 which was set when he went there. It's usually a multiple of the initial transfer fee
You really don't understand what I mean? Of course I know how a buy back works. I also remember it being a bit over 20M Euros but Transfermarkt have it down as 30M.
Ah no, what I meant was that when Real used their buy back it seemed as a very good deal for them. My point was that at the time I felt that Morata was worth more than €23M or €30M (what ever it was). Some seem to create a narrative that he was a failure at Juventus, which is not how I remember it.I'm afraid I don't, which is why I said what I said. I thought you had misunderstood, i.e first refusal rather than buyback, which usually allows for market uplift
Ah no, what I meant was that when Real used their buy back it seemed as a very good deal for them. My point was that at the time I felt that Morata was worth more than €23M or €30M (what ever it was). Some seem to create a narrative that he was a failure at Juventus, which is not how I remember it.
When the biggest move of his career is ongoing, of course he wants to be close to the action. He's not just any Real player, he's been with Madrid since Castilla days and should know everything about the club and how it works. It's not hard to make a well educated guess on why he's in Madrid whether AS or any bullshit article reports it or not. I know i'd be doing the same if my life is on the line.
He played on the left hand side quite often and that's why he does not have as many goals as if played upfrontAlthough his stats from Juve are not seemingly great I remember him being very good there and it was a pitty when Real used their buy-back option for €30M odd to get him back. At the time I felt it as being undervalued. @Bepi @Vialli_92 would you agree?
I have seen his time in Italy and last season his regular season in Madrid. What tells you he will be a top scorer in England?
For as long as Football has existed there's cases of great players being left out and going on to be World Class or at the very least excellent players. Vieira couldn't get a game at Milan, Henry was struggling at Juve, Bergkamp same at Inter, Hamman at Bayern, Kluivert wasn't exactly a regular a regular at Milan either etc; etc;
You raise points that may be true, but they are totally irrelevant for the discussion and rationale of signing Morata.
Yes he might not start for Real, Barca, and Bayern. But that is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is what kind of players are available in the market that suits our managers profile. Lewandowski would be sensational for us, but he ain't on the market, and who knows if he wanted to come here if he was. Same with Suarez, Benzema and all the elite players that plays for the teams you mentioned. None of them are available.
What we know is that there are a group of attackers available. Lukaku, Belotti, Lacazette, Auba and Morata. Of the group of strikers available Morata is the best one imo, if you measure in what our manager wants. Morata obviously wants to come here (very important point imo), he is young, can develop further, would suit our managers system and want to play first team football because of the WC. If you summarise all these factors this buy is a no brainer imo. As a supporter I am sick and tired of players coming here for the pay check and with ambivalent sporting ambitions (Di Maria the prime example).
With Morata we get a highly motivated player who is at the right age and can develop to be an elite striker. He is our best option in this window, and if we don't land him I am afraid the alternative to him will have less quality which will hurt our chances of success in the upcoming season.
Except it really is. I will just give you a few clues why is that. Real Madrid doesn't have us where they want us. We have come to them shopping for a player they don't want to sell.
Morata with his goals was one of the main players in this La Liga title since Benzema was playing some other sport for the major part of the season. They need him, especially if they don't get Mbappe. There is nobody of his calibre and quality that they can find on the market currently.
Also, we are not in a desperate need for a striker, we are in a desperate need for a striker of Morata's qualities because he suits Mourinho the most. Otherwise, we would turn around and go for Lacazette and Auba but it's absolutely pointless mentioning them as they don't fit the striker's profile that Jose wants. So, they don't want to sell him and he has a contract until 2021. Of course, they will lift the price through the roof.
People seem to be ashamed that we are buying from their bench and are embarrassed because of that?!? I mean what did people expect in a world where Romel Lukaku is worth £100million...
Let's reverse the roles here. What if Madrid came in trying to buy Martial from us and he has a contract until 2021? What do people think it would happen? Martial currently isn't our first option and has a bad season behind him so his market value shouldn't be that high.
Do people think that we would give them some kind of discount because of that? We would based on the current market also ask for some silly price. That's what happens when you buy at a big club and the same one doesn't want to sell.
Morata has shown more than Benzema last season, it's no wonder they are thinking maybe we are offloading the wrong player here since he has the best years in front of him. If they are actually making that mistake, then at least they will try to make the buyer pay the premium price for it.
And people say that we look small time because of that? The same principle would apply to everyone who would go for Morata, for example, Chelsea.
It was easier to get Robben, Sneijder and Higuain from them because they were in a shop. Morata isn't.
As for your theory about him not being established, he was an integral part in Juventus CL campaign, won them Coppa Italia. He is established Spain international with about 20 appearances and as things stand today he will be their main striker for years to come with the best season behind him. And people are in shock why Real is not bending over. We would not bend in the same scenario and there is nothing here that makes us small time/embarrassing as people suggest. Those posts are actually embarrassing.
Also, these things about him not being able to be in the starting lineup of Barca/Bayern. Lukaku and Kane also wouldn't get into the starting lineup of Barcelona, Real, and Bayern. They would also struggle to get into the starting lineup of Juventus and PSG, especially Lukaku.
Morata potential is that he could be one of the best strikers in EPL whom we are buying from Real Madrid, that's the whole truth. Maybe he will make it, maybe he will fail as you say. There are no such things as a certain success when it comes to transfers but people also need to stop acting like we are buying in a second-hand shop.
Pretty sure lukaku has already signed for Chelsea, as its all gone quiet.I actually don't think this will happen.
I think he'll want to stay at Madrid.
If this is the case, we should go all out for Cavani. Considering we don't seem to be interested in Lukaku for whatever reason.
After 180 pages I'm still not sure why anyone thinks it's relevant that he's a squad player for real Madrid. He'd be first choice striker for almost any other team in the world. He'd be by far our best striker as he's considerably better than Rashford. Surely that's all that matters.
You. Are.Worried.Starting to get worried.
Given that only Ronaldo won them more points than him, saying he was one of their most important players this year seems a fair assessment. That also suggests that more than "a couple" of his goals were important, no?And morata wasn't one of the most important players this year. Go and look at his goals, a couple were important. The others were just adding to tallies. He's a super sub.
Given that only Ronaldo won them more points than him, saying he was one of their most important players this year seems a fair assessment. That also suggests that more than "a couple" of his goals were important, no?
Comes down to how you look at it, I guess.
Honestly I don't mean the disrespect but I stopped reading roughly from the second paragraph given how made up the post already got. Real do have us where they want us, because they don't need to sell and we are desperate to buy. They know we will happily overspend, too. And morata wasn't one of the most important players this year. Go and look at his goals, a couple were important. The others were just adding to tallies. He's a super sub..
No Morata scored some very important goals this season.
Scored first goal in 2-1 win against Celta
Scored winner in the 83rd min against Bilbao
Scored goal against Alaves when it was 2-1 to make it 3-1
Scored first goal in 3-2 win agaisnt Deportivo
Scored first goal in 2-0 win against Espanyol
Scored winner against Villarreal in 83rd min (3-2)
Scored 3 goals against Leganes in 4-2 win
Scored equalizer against Sporting Gijon (3-2)
Scored first goal against Deportivo in 6-2 win
That's 11 out of 15 goals were very important.
His "adding to the tallies" were 4 goals.
3rd goal vs Sociedad in 3-0 win
3rd goal vs Leganes in 3-0 win
3rd and 4th goal vs Granada in 4-0 win
In Champion league:
Scored winner against Sporting Lisbon in 95th min (2-1)
Scored 3rd goal vs Napoli to make it 3-1 (it wasn't as important as Madrid were leading in aggregate goals)
11 of his goals in the league were as starters, so he isn't exactly "super sub"
I didn't say it was the only metric, nor did I make any statements either way. I simply pointed out that calling him one of their most important players this season seems a fair assessment, seeing as he won them the second most point.But then you're out there ignoring other players who contributed outside of just goals. And how do you define won them more points? Scoring a brace or the winning goal? It's all very subjective and doesn't change the fact that by seasons end he was still behind Benzema.
They want us to pay more than we want to pay. And/or the clubs disagree about how the payment should be structured, or what clauses should be included in the contract.i don't know what is holding up this transfer.
Nah, we're offering £70m + Smalling. Real Madrid just want the £70m.They want us to pay more than we want to pay. And/or the clubs disagree about how the payment should be structured, or what clauses should be included in the contract.
