For as long as Football has existed there's cases of great players being left out and going on to be World Class or at the very least excellent players. Vieira couldn't get a game at Milan, Henry was struggling at Juve, Bergkamp same at Inter, Hamman at Bayern, Kluivert wasn't exactly a regular a regular at Milan either etc; etc;
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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True, had that awful period at those Italian minnows.
I think what people are really implying is that if Real is willing to sell that player, he is not needed for the "best team in the world", therefore he is not one of the best players around, and we as Utd should aim for the best players. Which is a notion I don't really agree with.
Yeah, I was pretty sure we were getting Griezmann plus Morata or something like that. Now, I'm not so sure, really. Maybe without Griezmann, whose use could trigger some tactical changes, Mourinho reverted his decision.
Well, first, People will only remember Robben of his success at Bayern more than anything else, and Succeeding in Ajax only is not really something significant, RM was his first top club and he was a sub there before moving to Inter and became what he became.
Morata has helped Juve reach CL final scoring 2 in BVB, 2 in Madrid and in the final vs Barca. He scored the winner in a Cup final against Milan.
Who said he left midway during his honeymoon? How does anyone know that Morata planned a mini moon (which is very frequent) and was always set on coming to Madrid on that date? Unless the journalist was with the pair on the honeymoon, which he quite obviously wasn't, there is no way of knowing that he "left his honeymoon".
Moreover, only the club's need to agree a fee. Morata is not involved in that equation, and the fact that we've had no news of a protest or forcing hands, or even substantial development since he returned shows the journalists were talking out of their ass.
Seriously, you need to have some low IQ to believe the sensationalist bullshit articles these days. AS said the coming were key. OK, it's been over 24 and there's not been a hint of Morata forcing shit.
Robben was a success at Chelsea, and Sneijder was a success at Ajax. Morata with Juve played 93 games with a goal return of 27 (wiki). If that's considered a success for you, I hold my hands up.
Coming to this thread and reading a few messages is like groundhog day. Literally the exact same things being said over and over.
They also let Morientes go while he still was a good player for them. Went on to have some good seasons at Valencia and help eliminate them in CL for Monaco. Morata is about 4-5 years younger than what Moriented was when he left Real.
Sigh.. Not this again. We replied to this multiple times.
1- How many of these games were he a starter and how many were he on the bench ?
2- How many of these games he was the main top striker upfront ?
I'll let you watch this video that I brought earlier on to see that he played a lot on the left flank and very much away from the goal.
I sense a Zlatan stat coming along soon.
Morata seems like the Spanish version of Welbeck, which is not a bad thing. However, I believe at United we will see a much better goal return if he does come here because he will be our main man upfront and he will have multiple opportunities to find his performance consistency level. Moreover, we have Rashford as backup, so that is two great options in the attack.
When has Welbeck ever hit 20 goals in a CL winning season?
Just can't wait for this one to get wrapped up and see him posing with the kit. The muppets will go mental, the naysayers will just accept it and wish him the best and we can move on.
Were Messi and Ronaldo ever top scorer before they were top scorer? There you go then.
I don't understand of why you brought up a youtube compilation to prove your point. My point is Sneijder and Robben situation is different then Morata. Sneijder and Robben were both established players who had something to backup of their level, even they were Madrid reject. Bringing them as example of having faith in Morata is not comparable.
I remember him being switched to the right side in matches where he has been absolutely ineffective.
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I think the Welbeck comparisons come from the fact that both are well rounded, versatile forwards (lazy comparison), but a major glaring difference is that Morata is a great finisher.
So you just take a random stats from wiki to prove your point but when I prove it means nothing at all actually then I'm wrong and back to square one, because you couldn't replay on the questions nor seeing the video.
Amazing really. Good luck to you.
But surely it only matters whether Jose thinks he's all that. Certainly in terms of monetary value.
Put it this way, we could sign many of teh great strikers in world football if we wanted, Lukaku is on the market, Mpabbe is on the market, Lacazette, we could even blow somebody out of the watre with a mammoth record-breaking bid (ala Bale)..but Mouirnho wants Morata and only Mourinho knows why exactly.
A great finisher that scored less than 60 goals in 7 years. Golden Boot material.
Well, you should watch his youtube compilation to see how great player he actually is.
He wasn't a starter and a main striker because he's wasn't good enough. And in Youtube compilations Lingard looks like Georgie fecking Best.
Erm. He wants to start and play as a #9 NOW. No other club is willing to give up that opportunity. Not even Juventus. We are the only club in for him. Either he stays at Madrid and plays 2nd fiddle or moves to United and starts. No brainer really.
Not to get into a long debate here and go over this again, but it's really only three full seasons and they were where he was being rotated, benched and played out wide a lot.
Thierry Henry had 31 goals in 6 seasons before he lit up the Premier League.
Still, unlike Di Maria he wants to be at United. I wasnt commenting on the reason.
You understand the video isn't proving he's a great player, but he was playing away from the goal and on the left flank so his goal record was normal to not be that good ?
Obviously Allegri was using him like how he's using Mandzukic now, who is having a poor goal return just like Morata ( 7 goals in the league only as Morata ) but his physicality and hold-up are essential in Allegri system this year allowing Dybala and Higuain to attack freely. Morata seems to be used in the same way.
Also no brainer that a 21 young striker won't play as a starter over Tevez, and by your logic Rashford is not good because he couldn't be a starter over Zlatan ?
You either don't read or watch, or don't WANT to read and watch. It's up to you.
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Someone should put these chances into video compilations. I´d be real curious to see it.
This thread, all 180 pages of it, consists primarily of the same recycled arguments over and over again. All of which are based on nothing more than conjecture. Imagine having read every post in this thread, it'd be enough to send a man over the edge.
He's not good enough, he's to expensive, doesn't score enough goals, he's a reject. Is he Spanish, is he Italian, no he's cam-fecking-bodian!
For the love of god and the sanity of every pissed off United fan on the planet, can we please get this deal finalized. For real, this needs to get sorted.
He's not good enough, he's to expensive, doesn't score enough goals, he's a reject. Is he Spanish, is he Italian, no he's cam-fecking-bodian!
For the love of god and the sanity of every pissed off United fan on the planet, can we please get this deal finalized. For real, this needs to get sorted.
Im guessing you are new to the transfer forum. This is what happens every summer in every transfer thread. Deal with it.
I actually love it. I put two post-it notes next to my bed, one saying "we should not buy rejects from other clubs, we need to buy the very best players" and the other saying "Mourinho knows what he is doing, we will win the league next season."
That way if I wake up in the night I can look at both and get my RedCafe fix without having to turn on my phone.
That way if I wake up in the night I can look at both and get my RedCafe fix without having to turn on my phone.
People overrating Welbeck and underrating Morata..
Ya'll think a player who Arsenal barely want to play ahead of Giroud is equal to a striker who Real Madrid bought back from Juventus to sell for #70 million plus?
Welbeck is one of the most overrated trash players ive ever seen play for united having the first touch of a donkey suffering from vertigo and Morata has one of the best goal per 90 mins in all of europe.
Ya'll think a player who Arsenal barely want to play ahead of Giroud is equal to a striker who Real Madrid bought back from Juventus to sell for #70 million plus?
Welbeck is one of the most overrated trash players ive ever seen play for united having the first touch of a donkey suffering from vertigo and Morata has one of the best goal per 90 mins in all of europe.
Regurgitating the same unwarranted arguments and false claims over and over again is the norm? Oh, ok. That makes it perfectly acceptable.
And no, I got banned from the transfer forum last summer so I'm not new to it
It is puzzling.
Bless your soul. I've had a sh*t week and this just made my day
How is playing him actually sacrificing him ? He is pretty inept on the left as he mostly looks to use his favoured right foot, I'm not in favour of buying Perisic, and certainly don't want Martial to be sacrificed as a result, but the truth is we need more width on both wings, and whoever that should be needs to be a more traditional winger rather than someone who wants to cut inside every time ala Martial, Mata and Lingard.
A bit similar to the left then !
Not seen enough of Morata to have a strong opinion about him but, what I do know is that we really lack a good finisher #9 who can also bring others into play and still give us pace behind. Zlatan gave us goals and ability to bring others into play but, also it made our overall game very limited. Reading all the pluses about Morata and that it looks like he is the manager's main targets, I don't see what the issue is. Season is fast approaching, there are not many good available strikers out there and if we don't get one in early enough, then we are going to really struggle. Our first few games are ones on paper we should win and yet last season is where we struggled with because of lack of goals. This guy will be one piece of the puzzle but, the thing is he is only a part of it - what we need is him (or whoever else) working well enough with the others in the team to where the rest are also contributing a lot more goals than they did last season and for that they need a good pre-season. A deal needs to happen soon or we are going to be in trouble.
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