They did not soon change their minds. Remember how critical people here were of Pogba for large portions of the season?
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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They did not soon change their minds. Remember how critical people here were of Pogba for large portions of the season?
That dog between them has seen things.
What's wrong with her exactly?
I thought that had more to do with the fact he wasnt loyal enough to stay here in the first place, which is an equally ridiculous notion.
I see Summit is behind the pair of them there.
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I see Summit is behind the pair of them there.
I see Summit is behind the pair of them there.
I used to go out with a girl who's dog would sit next to the bed watching. If she kicked him out he would howl and bark waking her mum up. Would put me right off.
Summit's up!Lyon aren't going to ask £80m to £90m for Lacazette. How will teams take us to the cleaners if we move on from Morata, it's the other way around. If we pay £80m for Morata, other teams will ask more money for unproven/average players. If we pay £80m for Morata then we would have to pay £60m for Perisic, £50m for Matic, £70m for Fabinho, I'm not saying that all the players I mentioned are average. Jose sees our team every day, he doesn't see Morata up close every day. Real will just unsettle DDG and ask him to force the move for less money if we ask £150m. I still don't understand why we are chasing an unproven player when there are consistent goal scorers like Aubameyang and Lacazette are available.
Funny you say that, we just happen to have my in-laws' dog while they're on holiday this week. Doing the horizontal tango is really awkward when there's a dog watching, especially when you're not used to having a pet. Let's hope that dog never learns how to communicate with my father in law.
Anyway, for you dogs saying Morata is average.. I'm going to put my neck out and say he'll be the PL's top-scorer if you guys sign him.
Are you basing this assumption on anything substantial?
Was he top-scorer in any of the leagues which he played in in the past?
Yes, that he is a great striker who's very underrated just because Zidane preferred Benzema.
I would much rather have Morata in my team than Benzema. Saying that, I haven't won back to back CL's.
Was he a starter?
Because we would look desperate to sign a striker and teams could use that against us. Lyon aren't selling Lacazatte for 50m to Arsenal, but they'd probably take another 10 or 20m I'm sure and would probably raise the fee to that if we came knocking.
What exactly makes Morata "unproven" and Lacazatte "proven". Last time I checked, Morata has played in Spain and Italy, two MUCH superior leagues (especially Spain), had key goals and performances in the Champions League and has played (and scored) at a major International tournament. Lacazatte has done none of those things.
On top of that the qualities Morata brings seem more suited to a Mourinho team and our system and also importantly, he has a winning big club mentality. Always played with winners. World Cup winners, Champions League winners, League winners and has played an important role in the winning of all those wins apart from the World Cup.
Why don't you give us the lottery numbers for tomorrow while we are at it.
Could Martial play on the right ? Maybe not as an out and out winger, but certainly as a RF who could cross the ball instead of cutting inside from the left like he does currently, that leaves Perisic free to play left wing.
Stop sacrificing Martial just to squeeze Perisic into the team.
This is good to hear coming from a Real fan.
We have to sign him first, of course. This transfer is borderline saga material, which of course is no surprise when you consider the 2 clubs involved.
I think Kane has pretty much got that on lock (barring injuries), but I do expect Morata to be around 20 PL goals or more and one of the best forwards in the league.
Yeah according to those stats he's better then Kun fecking Aguero, yeah I stand by what I said.
It's the same fecking bellends who hype up every signing we make and justify every extortionate fee we pay and then complain we don't have a team that's good enough. Well if we didn't spend vast sums on average shite, we might actually have a team that's capable of finishing top 4.
Look at Spurs, they've bought sensibly on a fifth of our budget and have a team that's miles ahead of us. I could care less that we won "3 trophies" (one of them is a glorified friendly, the other is a cup we used to field our kids in and Europa we had the easiest draws we could have hoped for).
Moratta is just another in a long line of utterly average players we've spent huge money on. Then we wonder why we're a fecking sub standard team for most of the season?
Please Vato, keep him, now if you want to offload Karim, we would gladly stump up the cash for him.
Kane has that secured for another few seasons at least. I think Morata will get about 20 goals.
You clearly didn't watch many of our games last season.
1. Arsenal and City both did badly in terms of finishing big chances. Liverpool did better with 35 and Chelsea did even better with 32. If we had missed as few big chances as Chelsea we would have been +18 goals. This would have given us a better goal difference than anyone outside the top 2.
2. Missing big chances is not the only stat showing our poor finishing. Our shots to goals ratio was almost 11 to 1. City, Liverpool and Tottenham were around 8 to 1 and Arsenal and Chelsea around 7 to 1. The same shots to goals ratio as Chelsea would have seen us be the joint top scorers alongside Tottenham.
I don't think finishing was our only problem last season. However it was clearly our biggest.
Whenever I did Moratta didn't feature much, so strange for such a great player. Didn't you hear, this guy's got better stats than Aguero /S.
If you're referring to Benzema not being on top form. Form is temporary, class is permanent. He's the kind of player we should be spending big on. Not the eternal substitute Alvaro Moratta.
I dont know much about Morata myself but the fact he has been a sub for Madrid isnt necessarily an indictment of his quality. Sometimes managers just dont fancy a particular player for reasons other than their ability. Sometimes they want a particular kind of player who will fit their system better - especially somewhere like Madrid where they have so many creative players. Obviously I cant say this guy is great any more than I can say he's rubbish, but if Mourinho thinks he is up to the job that's good enough for me, his record in the transfer market is good, especially for us.
Why on earth would we go for Benzema? The guy is approaching 30 and is still yet to cement a first team place at Real. He seems content to play second fiddle which tells me he lacks hunger/desire. The polar opposite to Morata who is happy to leave Real for guaranteed first team football. Young and hungry is just what Jose and United need right now.
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Talking about him being a sub in Madrid is laughable, if Bayern heard this they wouldn't have signed Robben who became one of the best wingers in the modern era, and Inter wouldn't have signed Sneijder who became an integral indispensable part of Inter's triology.
Why would he need to, nuance and context means nothing, if he didn't start every game he was obviously crap.
People genuinely turning their noses up and preferring the idea of Benzema going to be some real changing of opinion when this guy is banging in goals for us next season.
going to be some real changing of opinion when this guy is banging in goals for us next season.Van Der Vaart was a massive influence during his first couple of years at Spurs. Heinze was a huge success at Roma too.
Probably more Real rejects who came good after moving on, just can't think off hand.
Real have willingly let Robben, Makelele, Cambiasso, Samuel, Sneijder go all in the peak of their careers and all went on to be key players in Champions League winning sides (apart from Makalele but he was a key player in Chelsea's best ever team). It's not a great indication that Real don't want you so you must be shite.
I did go through a period a few years ago, after the Di Maria fiasco, of thinking we should avoid getting Madrid rejects at all costs, as they will see the move as a demotion and lack motivation, and the gratitude, for want of a better word, to be at United. But looking back I can see what applied in that case isnt universally true. It is encouraging that he seems so motivated to come here. Obviously its not the realisation of a childhood dream, it isnt about United being the best club in the world or anything like that, but it sounds like he is well up for it.
Yep, that's why using the term " Madrid reject " or " Madrid sub " is really laughable. Many good to great players didn't succeed there and have a massive success when moved to another team.
Rate the player based on his performance and abilities but just trashing him because he's a Madrid sub is illogical and laughable.
Absolutely. It wouldnt mean it at any club, but least of all with Madrid, such are their magpie tendencies and the glut of quality they have at the club. Makalele is a really good (though not necessarily particularly relevant, given his position) example: letting him go was absolute madness, I couldnt believe they let that happen, he was a monster for Chelsea.
Both Sneijder and Roben had proved themselves before joining in Madrid, though. Robben with Chelsea, and Sneijder with Ajax. Meanwhile Morata...
Anyway, it would better if we sign another 'proven' striker, even if he's deemed 'not Man Utd quality'. For example, Vardy. With Ibra is out injured (for feck knows how long), I still dreaded to think our striker options of just Morata and Rashford. One is a new player with no experience as a starter for a club, the other is a youngster.
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