How would failing to land him make us look like a big club when we'd be forced to pay top whack for whoever else we targeted next too? Or should we go for some other target then as well?
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How would failing to land him make us look like a big club when we'd be forced to pay top whack for whoever else we targeted next too? Or should we go for some other target then as well?
I don't know why people keep dreaming about Auba, if Morata deal failed we'll move for Belotti, and even though I am not very convinced with Belotti, I'll prefer him in EPL more than Auba.
I just want Jose to get the players he wants. He lives and dies by his transfers and the outcomes of the transfers on the pitch. We as fans can just harp on about XYZ with no consequences. Fans are just playing fifa transfer mode and shouldn't be taken seriously.
I cant understand this obsession about Dortmund players either. Its not as if one of their players ever really set the EPL on fire
Agree.
Transfer window is described as a success or a failure after seeing these players playing and how they fit in the manager's plan, not before they even step in the pitch for us. We signed Di Maria and Falcao in one window and it was considered a failure seeing their performance, not a success due to their top names.
Isn't Aubameyang a little bit of a law unto himself? Doubt Jose would want someone like that.
Most of their players are suited for a certain system that works great with them but not really a guarantee that any team will provide especially in EPL. I'll take Belotti for Auba any day even if I'm not fully convinced with him.
He isn't suited to Mourinho's system at all so you've got no hope of that happening besides if i was any top European club i wouldn't be bothering with him after his love fest comments about Real Madrid which is why i imagine Liverpool are linked with him.
You can't fail at what you don't pursue. We shouldn't even be trying to sign this kid in the first place. He is a bench warmer who is not worth the money. And in the small chance that he is a huge success in the the PL, he will be demanding to return to Real Madrid when Cristiano Ronaldo retires/ leaves RM in 3 years. If he doesn't end up begging to go back to RM, it will be because he was a big failure at United. Too big of a risk for an unproven player from a club that wants to suck us dry on a fee. I say screw them and go pursue someone else. We need to stop pursuing RM rejects and bench warmers.
I like Morata but we're being fleeced harder than the Chicago Bulls if we pay 80m for him. If he doesn't want to force the move than how do we know he wants to play for us, and how do we know he isn't just going to run back to Madrid first chance he gets?
A) we've already persued him extensively so that ship sailed long back. B) Mourinho wants him and if reports are to be believed, we're already bidding in the 80mil range so we clearly think he's both good enough and worth the big bucks.
Essentially, I don't see how we can come away from this looking like a big club by not signing him.
Now to the other point, which are these clubs who will not want big bucks from the richest club in the world desperate for a striker who you think we should target for their players?
We are stinking rich and fecking desperate. That's a bad position to start negotiations from and every club and their dog knows it.
What makes you say that? There are a handful of players that left RM for other clubs and didn't go back.
@Hawks2008 I don't see how he can force a move? He's got 4yrs left on his contract at one of the richest clubs in the world. They could easily tell him to shut up and that would put in an awkward position. Even if he did force a move how is that going to bring the fee we're going to pay down?
I agree with this and its not like there aren't more proven strikers going for much less fees. Madrid do not just want to suck us dry they want to humiliate us in the process and then use our money to buy Mbappe.
If Mourinho's system can not accommodate a clear world class striker like Auba or he refuses to be flexible enough to twich it then maybe its time the club tells him where to shove it and do the business that will benefit the club not just massage the manager's ego. Right now, he is reportedly, asking us to pay a princely sum for a bang average winger and take Matic off Chelsea's hands whilst giving them funds to purchase Bakayoko which will give us minimal improvement whilst our rivals add genuine world class potential to attacks that were better than us.
United should be throwing that kind of big money on proven stars, not a bench warmer from Juve and Madrid. And I don't care how inflated the market is right now, this kid is not an 80 million player. Who else is bidding against us for his services? I also know we have already pursued him, my point is we shouldn't have done it in the first place. United are in this "desperate" position right now because they do not act like a big club.
By signing a contract with us. He's the one that wants to leave, they don't want to sell him.
The only way he goes back to RM is if he scores a bucket load of goals and they pay an even larger transfer fee. I'm fine with that
Are you suggesting we go after players Mourinho doesn't want because they are bigger names? I'd think Mourinho is smart enough to know who's unattainable and who he wants from the ones that are attainable.
Anyways, how do you suggest we act to look like a big club?
All this talk they doing about Auba. They do know he scores a lot of penalties that Manchester United are never given.
He is a good player tbf but quite different to Morata in style which is perhaps why we're not after him. His wage demands are astronomical too if reports are to be believed.
I love how people seem to think telling Madrid to feck off and ending interest will teach them a lesson or something. They don't want to sell, they'd be fecking delighted if we ended our interest.
Alright I'll ask.. how do you know?
Yeah, I'm still waiting to understand how not signing him shows we're a big club.
great post
Make your mind up. Is he a bench warmer who isnt good enough or is he the heir to Christiano Ronaldo who Madrid will be desperate to bring back?
Why are we thinking about the future ? RVP was only here for 3 seasons, and gave only one great season of them, does that means he wasn't worth buying or what ?
3 years later maybe there will be a better striker available in the market, like Kane for example. Think about the present time only.
This saga is so boring. Give me the Pogba transfer saga any day.
Álvaro who?
Never heard of him i dont think.
Never heard of him i dont think.
Even those reserves are of a quality we arent really familiar here, the difference is that big. We should hope that Morata's all round play is that good that it will lift the levels of his teammates too, the way elite strikers like Zlatan, van Persie, Lewandowski, Villa could because I think Mkhi, Mata, Martial last season just werent good enough.
I'm confident we'll be able to create enough for him to score. Anyway let's agree on hoping he'll succeed here if he comes.
I may not particularly like Real Madrid’s negotiating stance; however I have to admit they are a big club and know what they are doing.
Real can identify with Morata’s strengths and I believe they want to keep him. So why do I think they want to keep him or should I say what can he bring to United? He has pace and good ball control. He is athletic and his technique is very good. He has demonstrated a strong character in high pressure games. Morata in his limited game time for Real last season produced a significant goal return so he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net – that will do me just fine.
Real had a buy back clause for Morata when he was transferred to Juventus for a reason – they knew his ability and were basically having a safety net in place. At Juventus Morata was extremely effective in the big games – in 2015 he scored in both the semi-finals of the Champions league against Real ‘of all teams’ and indeed scored against Barcelona in the final. To me this as mentioned in the previous paragraph demonstrates character in high pressure games.
If Mourinho wants Morata which is my impression then we have to go for him. I am certain Mourinho knows more about what is best for his plans for next season than us posters. As another poster mentioned Mourinho knows who is obtainable and who is not. It seems Morata is obtainable.
All this talk of ‘being a big club’ and ‘telling Real to feck off’ and that we should ‘go for Auba’ is illogical. Mourinho has targeted Morata for a reason and he is the manager so we should do our best ‘within reason’ and get the transfer completed and move on to the next target. Besides I agree with @el3mel (sorry for quoting) “I don't know why people keep dreaming about Auba, if Morata deal failed we'll move for Belotti, and even though I am not very convinced with Belotti, I'll prefer him in EPL more than Auba”. Furthermore as @Halftrack highlighted Real do not want to sell Morata and would be absolutely delighted if we ended our interest in him.
In a nutshell - telling Real to feck off does not make us look like a big club; indeed IMO it basically means we will be shooting ourselves in the foot.
Real can identify with Morata’s strengths and I believe they want to keep him. So why do I think they want to keep him or should I say what can he bring to United? He has pace and good ball control. He is athletic and his technique is very good. He has demonstrated a strong character in high pressure games. Morata in his limited game time for Real last season produced a significant goal return so he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net – that will do me just fine.
Real had a buy back clause for Morata when he was transferred to Juventus for a reason – they knew his ability and were basically having a safety net in place. At Juventus Morata was extremely effective in the big games – in 2015 he scored in both the semi-finals of the Champions league against Real ‘of all teams’ and indeed scored against Barcelona in the final. To me this as mentioned in the previous paragraph demonstrates character in high pressure games.
If Mourinho wants Morata which is my impression then we have to go for him. I am certain Mourinho knows more about what is best for his plans for next season than us posters. As another poster mentioned Mourinho knows who is obtainable and who is not. It seems Morata is obtainable.
All this talk of ‘being a big club’ and ‘telling Real to feck off’ and that we should ‘go for Auba’ is illogical. Mourinho has targeted Morata for a reason and he is the manager so we should do our best ‘within reason’ and get the transfer completed and move on to the next target. Besides I agree with @el3mel (sorry for quoting) “I don't know why people keep dreaming about Auba, if Morata deal failed we'll move for Belotti, and even though I am not very convinced with Belotti, I'll prefer him in EPL more than Auba”. Furthermore as @Halftrack highlighted Real do not want to sell Morata and would be absolutely delighted if we ended our interest in him.
In a nutshell - telling Real to feck off does not make us look like a big club; indeed IMO it basically means we will be shooting ourselves in the foot.
What did he average last season... a goal every 66 mins... and people on here are doubting if he is good enough for us.
Mbappe's smashed it in the champions league too, the hardest level of club football.
What's your point there? I highlighted the competition because that's why he's not got many games therefore not as many goals at Madrid - same applies for Lacazette at France yeah.
A league goal every 89 minutes. Good stats but he's not a nailed on starter. He's a good, but not outstanding striker. He should cost no more than a more experienced striker like Aubameyang, who's been quoted at £63m. Real seem to keep upping the price. Morata does not have a full season in any top league as a team's main striker. We'll be taking a massive risk.
Massive gamble, I agree. To go from an almost certainty like Zlatan to this…
The only certainty would come from signing Kane or Lukaku. Morata, belloti or even Mbappe could flop massively.
It's a hell of a problem really.
Your criteria seems Premier League proven, but Aubameyang, Benzema, Lewandowski and the like clearly wouldn't flop.
Bullshit that Kane or Lukaku are safer bet. We signed PL proven players before and they didn't delivered. Schneiderlin was the last one, before him there were Shaw, Berbatov... PL proven doesn't mean a lot and there are evidences of that every season. Every transfer is a risk simple as that.
So you don't think that Kane or Lukaku would score goals for us and are safer bets than non premier league players?
I have to admit, I was a bit sceptical at first when we were linked to him but now I am convinced he is the best option for us out there. Have been speaking with people who watch Morata a lot more regularly than myself and he sounds like the typical Mourinho striker. He is the best 'realistic' target out there and would definitely have him over Belotti/Lukaku/Lacazette.
I would rather buy someone who has excelled in the PL than someone who has excelled outside the PL.
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