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Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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Indeed. 9 seasons in England, scored more than 12 league goals in a season just twice.
Look at the posts early on in this thread, e.g. Page 1 (only a couple of months ago)
That info box only lists league appearances and goals.
Only the deluded are claiming he's world class. However, your claims of him being mediocre goes against what Juventus and actual Madrid fans have been saying about him, so I think I'll trust them over the guy who seems oddly uninformed about a player on a team he's allegedly supporting.
Wow, would have never thought that, I remember him as a menace back in his Chelsea days.
Without checking the stats I would have just assumed him as a 20 league goals each season striker by default.
Are we under the impression this is a done deal and will all be confirmed after his honeymoon? (Didn't he get married)...
Just checked the thread marks and it says "Morata agrees to join united" etc.
Or do people know feck all until the club officially confirms it lol!! I really hope he signs. I think he'll be excellent for Jose
Just checked the thread marks and it says "Morata agrees to join united" etc.
Or do people know feck all until the club officially confirms it lol!! I really hope he signs. I think he'll be excellent for Jose
The reports seem to suggest that personal terms with Morata have been agreed (or at least are a mere formality) but that no deal has yet been agreed with Madrid. I don't think the honeymoon has an effect one way or the other at this stage; it's all about negotiations between the two clubs re a fee (and payment schedule). So in short, it does not appear to be done, no.
We appear to be in an identical situation with Perisic.
Well considering the League takes up the majority of a clubs appearances, I think those numbers tell people everything they need to know. By the way, if you want to add his goals from other competitions too, you can count them on one hand
Also, not agreeing with what other fans at Juve and Madrid think makes an opinion less valid? huh? You would expect fans to say he is amazing, they are the clubs fans. Its the same as whats happening with us now, saying he is amazing because we could be signing him soon....which will then result in Madrid fans saying he is crap after he leaves. Its part of the game
Strange how transfer business seems to be stalling..
Ah well let's hope we can get some deals done
Ah well let's hope we can get some deals done
Clearly, Drogba was mediocre. Couldn't even manage an average of one in two. Wouldn't touch a prime Drogba with a barge pole.
So his goal scoring record in a competition where you face off against the best in Europe are irrelevant then? And some hand you must have, what with 17 fingers and everything.
Contradicting yourself a bit, aren't you? Juve fans, supporting a team Morata no longer plays for, are not saying he's crap. And why would Madrid fans be talking up this supposedly mediocre bench warmer who's likely to be sold for a significant amount of money? If what you were saying regarding his ability were true, wouldn't they instead be laughing at the prospect of United paying a €90m for such a mediocrity? Why would so many of them prefer to keep him, as opposed to getting €90m, if he's a mediocre bench warmer?
Sorry what's your point. Some mixed feelings I think there (since we were linked to him). Prior to links I didnt see many people calling him the next best since sliced bread.
1. Those 17 fingers were actually 5 last season, and if you are referring to the last 3 or 4 season, 17 is hardly world class statistics for a £60m+ player
2. The reason Juve fans are not in a position to laugh is because Madrid had a buyout clause in his Juve deal, meaning he came back for less than £25m, which for his stats is not far off his value. And who are all these Madrid fans who would prefer to keep him than get £60m+ for him? All the fans I know and have spoken to, want him and Benzema sold and Mbappe brought in.
Like a few others have said on here, a player doesn't magically become world class when they are linked to United. He is in his mid 20s, not a budding 19 year old with 15 years ahead of him. He could improve slightly but I'm certain, he will not be in the top 3 prem goal scorers next season, if he signs.
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He was in blazing form against top teams towards the end of his time at Juve. So much so that Madrid paid to bring him back and Juve fans were against letting him go. Then add in his goal scoring rate upon his return to Madrid.
That was two seasons ago when he was scoring vs Dortmund, Real, Barcelona consecutively. Didnt really replicate that the season after but no stress, had one amazing run vs Bayern..
His real return is very good, but without the context some read way too much into it I believe.
Until now Real mouthpiece Marca have been adamant that they won't accept less then then €90M, now they are saying it's less. People should wait and see before losing the plot.
I just think people try too hard to discredit statistics at times. Some are saying his goals with Madrid all came at the end of blowouts, which isn't true.
Similar to those saying Lukaku never scores big goals, as though Everton have the luxury of not really needing his 20+ goal return. Both strikers could get into the 30's in one of the top teams in the Prem.
That's not my intention, but context is key and especially between the fine margins of being a succes or flopping in the last few years here at United.
Fact is most goals he scored came in matches in which he started against weaker teams (Zidane didnt really trust him to start vs tougher opponents) and when he was subbed on. Maybe if he started vs the likes of Atletico, Barcelona, Sevilla etc those stats would deflate a bit. Besides that scoring for Real and scoring for United is a world of difference.
For me, for Morata to succeed, Mou has to step up massively. Our attacking play isnt cohesive and relied a bit too much on Pogba and Ibra, we need more productive winger, clear systems and clear patterns to get the best out of him I believe.
Lukaku is a good striker but dont think he'd suit United. He needs space and time on the ball, wont get much of that here. Think he could be an excellent fit for Chelsea however.
I wasn't sure at first but I just want us to sign this cat now. We need someone who has at least a vague idea where the net is now zlatan is out of the picture
Most goals of any striker comes against weak teams because they are the majority of any league so I can't understand the point here tbh, and Morata proved before with Juve that he's clinical in big games as well.
We have created thousands of chances last season that were enough for any striker to score loads of goals. I don't think Morata will find any problem getting chances in front of the goal if we played with the same setup we played during December, for example.
Don't think so mate RVN scored that amount and Morata is far from that class. Might become some day but I doubt it. Benched at 25 for Benzema who I personally don't rate as world-class.
I was agreeing with you!
That's crazy.. Granted he was not just a goal scoring striker, he brought so much more to the team but I definitely thought he scored more than that.
Isn't that quite normal though? I'd never heard of Lindelof prior to us being linked with him but that doesn't mean I can't have faith in him now.
Morata obviously isn't some world-beater but I think he's a good player and our options in that position are Rashford and Rooney. We need to buy someone, I hope the fee is reasonable but I'll wait for something official before getting upset about media reported numbers.
He's not 25; he was 23 at the start of last season but I guess 25 fits your agenda better. If Madrid didn't rate Benzema, I am sure they would've replaced him by now. They are Real Madrid after all, they can get whoever they want.
What Drogba did was score vital goals. It is no good scoring a bucketload of goals to then disappear when it actually matters. Morata seems to like the big games. People are putting too much pressure on this lad. He is basically an Ibra replacement. The other wasters from last season have to pull their fingers out and start putting the ball in the net. Instead of looking like rabbits in headlights when they got a clear chance in front of goal.
He doesn't turn 25 for another 4 months, and the preference for Benzema has been explained a thousand times.
This age thing is like Zlatan last year, he'll be written off as 35 and past it soon.
Always liked him whenever I've seen him, seems to have a good all round game and very mobile. Always thought he wasn't as clinical as the top strikers though.
Yes, it was incredibly obvious sarcasm, and that's why he called it a WUM.That was sarcasm actually and a lame attempt at it.
I dont know if you sometimes watch matches like Real Madrid vs Leganes but it is so oneway. Difference in strength is quite bigger than here in the PL, the amount of clear cut chances they create, not the half chances we do.
Dont forget how most of our chances were also due to Ibra's strength, athleticism, link up play and technique, he missed a lot of them but how many wouldnt be created if he wasnt playing? Creating a chance for Ibra and for Martial is a world of difference for example.
Im sure people heard of Morata prior to our links, he's well known and a very good striker. But I personally am very surprised how people think he's already good enough to lead us, he probably is atm but also to the hieghts we want to achieve? Hope he surprises me.
Agree with your 2nd part, he's better than both. Hope we kept Ibra for a year longer, mind.
Oh, my bad!
I don't like this " half chances " phrase that are used a lot here. Any chance to score is considered a chance and we also created many sitters and easy chances to score easily, too, and regarding the one-way matches, this is what is supposed to be between a big club and a mid table one anyway and it doesn't change the fact that most goals of any striker comes against weak teams by nature, it's not a point to be used to downplay a striker efforts because it can be applied to any player in the LA Liga. What are the big matches in the LA Liga ? Vs Atletico and Barce ? That leaves the rest of the league to be ordinary matches so I can apply what you said in any player there.
What you said about Zlatan can be said about Morata, he has a good physicality, good hold up play and he also has good movements and some sort of pace that Zlatan missed. That's why he has the attributes to be a good replacement of him.
I am still hoping this won't go through and we'll sign a striker that that can be relied upon to score goals consistently. We struggled with Zlatan leading the line, making Morata our main striker is a certain recipe to disaster.
This guy gets more overrated as this thread gets bigger, by page 250 people will call him the best striker in the world.
This guy gets more overrated as this thread gets bigger, by page 250 people will call him the best striker in the world.
He has scored 47 goals in the last 3 seasons, which gives him a 16 goal per year average. Not world class, but hardly on Danny Welbeck's level like some people are making him out to be. On those three seasons, he started as a 21, 22 and 23 years old. On the last season, he was a squad player, because Benzema complements Ronaldo better than him.
I think that he could easily be a 20 goal per season player here, and if he develops well, maybe even at times reach the thirties. In fact, from all center forwards in the league, I think that only Harry Kane and Kun Aguero are better than him. Lukaku is better at finding the net, but his all round game is garbage, while Morata can play.
You can like it or not, that doesnt mean it isnt valid.
Lots of frumbles which are very unlikely to score, long range shots, shots of very difficult angles etc. But we did also create quite a lot clear cut chances but it wont be close to Real Madrid's. Bar Pogba we just dont have the likes of Kroos, Modric, Isco, Marcelo, Carvajal, James all players with great understanding, creativity, delivery of the ball. We dont even have a good crosser in the team. And our matches are less one-way than Real's, we struggle a lot breaking these small teams down, Real does it with ease, they play at such high pace, quick counters, which gives plenty 1 vs 1 situations in which Morata thrives. If Mourinho can improve our set-up, Morata would benefit greatly from that.
Morata's physicality, hold up play is really not to be compared to Zlatan's, especially when he goes from La Liga to PL. He is quicker and more mobile though.
The thing I remember most about Drogba was that he always seemed to score in the big games. Always felt like his goals were important goals.
If we signed Moratta and he only got say 12 goals but they were all winners we'd all be very happy.
Of course there'll always be people who will point to say Harry Kane whose goal tally seems to bloated by goals in dead rubbers.
I'm not writing him off for his age I expressed myself poorly but the way people go nuts the second we got linked to him is borderline crazy, suddenly he is the best striker on the planet and will score 30+ goals a season for us. Can you guys honestly say he is among the top 10 strikers in the world? Top 20, maybe? Or are people assuming he will develop in to world-class? Look, if we get him I hope he rips up the league and scores the alleged 30 hell why not 40 all I'm saying is I don't see it and if we aren't buying a proven world-class striker to lead our lines for the future I rather see our talent Rashford get the main playing time instead of taking a chance on developing another.
Why I'm saying this is because I don't see a top ready made striker he is a talent for me just like Rashford and can go either way and before someone puts in a stupid comment, yes I have seen him play for both Juventus and Real I also understand that we need another striker with Zlatan out but I personally think Morata is a big gamble and not a given.
Great then. It's a good attempt.That was sarcasm actually and a lame attempt at it.
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