Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Sammyjunn said:
You can like it or not, that doesnt mean it isnt valid.

Lots of frumbles which are very unlikely to score, long range shots, shots of very difficult angles etc. But we did also create quite a lot clear cut chances but it wont be close to Real Madrid's. Bar Pogba we just dont have the likes of Kroos, Modric, Isco, Marcelo, Carvajal, James all players with great understanding, creativity, delivery of the ball. We dont even have a good crosser in the team. And our matches are less one-way than Real's, we struggle a lot breaking these small teams down, Real does it with ease, they play at such high pace, quick counters, which gives plenty 1 vs 1 situations in which Morata thrives. If Mourinho can improve our set-up, Morata would benefit greatly from that.

Morata's physicality, hold up play is really not to be compared to Zlatan's, especially when he goes from La Liga to PL. He is quicker and more mobile though.
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It's not valid. A chance is a chance and you aren't supposed to have all your chances 1 vs 1 with the GK. If your players need to be 5 yards away from the goal to score then the problem is in your players not the system. Creative players are those who can score from hard chances and all EPL teams have these kind of players. How many hard goals have Chelsea scored this season by individual brilliance or set pieces ? Not all goals in the EPL are 1 vs 1. This point is overrated imo to downplay our attacking play this season, and anyway can you tell me how many chances here were hard to score ? Why no player tried to shoot in a corner instead of shooting it in the body of GK ? There are some plays when they have all the time in the world but they chose to shoot in the middle of the goal.



You won't get someone like Zlatan 100% but Morata is the closest in the market to him in the hold up play, imo.
 
RobinLFC said:
Or they're not willing to pay that much for him. PSG, Chelsea, Juventus, City, ... could easily cough up around 70-80m for a striker.
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Perhaps those teams are well covered in the striker's department?

PSG has Cavani, Chelsea D. Costa and apparently Lukaku, Juve has Higuain which they bought last year for 93 million and City have Aguero and Jesus.
 
Suedesi said:
Perhaps those teams are well covered in the striker's department?

PSG has Cavani, Chelsea D. Costa and apparently Lukaku, Juve has Higuain which they bought last year for 93 million and City have Aguero and Jesus.
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Equally as possible, although PSG has been repeatedly linked with Mbappe and Aguero, while Chelsea is definitely looking for an additional striker.

I was just trying to point out that there are numerous other reasons why teams aren't in for Morata, rather than "they can't afford him".
 
Revan said:
He has scored 47 goals in the last 3 seasons, which gives him a 16 goal per year average. Not world class, but hardly on Danny Welbeck's level like some people are making him out to be. On those three seasons, he started as a 21, 22 and 23 years old. On the last season, he was a squad player, because Benzema complements Ronaldo better than him.

I think that he could easily be a 20 goal per season player here, and if he develops well, maybe even at times reach the thirties. In fact, from all center forwards in the league, I think that only Harry Kane and Kun Aguero are better than him. Lukaku is better at finding the net, but his all round game is garbage, while Morata can play.
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Yeah, thats pretty much my take on him, at 24 he's ready to take his game from "a good player" to very good. His all round play will benefit the team 10x more so,than someone like Lukaku, who the black & white stat nuts must be preferring I presume.
I think 20 a season is realistic and good enough when accompanied by his other attributes he'll bring to the team, he's also shown to be a big game player which is never a bad thing.

The problem shouldnt be that getting 20 goals a season is deemed not enough. It's a good return from a forward leading the line. The actual issue is the supporting cast, players like Rashford, Martial, Mhiki, Pogba need to be weighing in with double digit returns in addition.

Lastly, I think as well, he's very classy on the ball and runs so smoothly and effortlessly for a tall guy, I think a lot of people who're questioning him right now will instantly start to warm to him as soon as they watch him play for us.
 
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LennonNL said:
The French league is much weaker, and there's more competition for playing time at Real Madrid.

Last season, Lacazette got 37 goals in roughly 3,300 minutes for Lyon with Morata getting 20 in roughly 1,500 minutes for Real Madrid. Morata's also getting into the Spanish side regularly, and scoring. I know who I'd prefer.
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The same French league that Mbappe plays in that has everyone going gaga over him?

Wait you say Morata faces competition at Madrid but you cant see Lacazette faces competition at the national team level? Spain only has Costa as their best striker.
 
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Mike09 said:
You are missing the point,

The point that I tried to make by posting Morata's video is that Morata can dribble the ball with good ball control like the one he did vs Bayern and that's what Lukaku cannot do. And the video of Lukaku's goal vs Chelsea showed Lukaku didn't actually beat chelsea defenders with his dribbling skills and ball control since he rarely touch the ball. He was using his pace to make run and strength to beat defenders. That's why I called that dribble is messy because no ball control and no pure skills or technique. Just pure physical attribute.
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I think there's a huge bias in your posts. First of all, that dribble from Morata is not impressive. He runs in a straight line. Kicking it and sprinting towards the ball is not considered dribbling. I also don't understand why Lukaku actually showing his strength is supposed to make his dribble messy.

Also Lukaku did touch the ball a fair few times and embarrassed Chelsea's entire defense in and around the box which is a lot harder.
Lukaku didn't actually beat chelsea defenders with his dribbling skills and ball control since he rarely touch the ball.
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Lukaku touched the ball 5 times and Morata 6 except Lukaku scored.
 
RDCR07 said:
Wait you say Morata faces competition at Madrid but you cant see Lacazette faces competition at the national team level? Spain only has Costa as their best striker.
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Who does France have? Giroud has been starting for them for quite a while now.
 
Z_Wolf said:
Who does France have? Giroud has been starting for them for quite a while now.
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Till now but currently, they have Griezmann, Martial, Dembele, lacazette, mbappe and Giroud (not to mention exiled Benzema)
 
RDCR07 said:
The same French league that Mbappe plays in that has everyone going gaga over him?

Wait you say Morata faces competition at Madrid but you cant see Lacazette faces competition at the national team level? Spain only has Costa as their best striker.
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Do Spain put much emphasis on playing a striker? They never used to, they get a lot of goals from players like Silva. The fact Costa has been warned to make sure he is playing somewhere and not out of circulation at Atletico for 6 months might give Morata a chance if he comes here.
 
adman said:
Till now but currently, they have Griezmann, Martial, Dembele, lacazette, mbappe and Giroud (not to mention exiled Benzema)
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He has a point though, Lacazette has been hitting 20+ goals a season in France for a good 4-5 years, touted for a big move to the PL for a good 2-3 summers now, and in that time Giroud has been constantly been selected over him for the national team and Lacazette still finds himself playing in French league. Meanwhile another youngster like Mbappe has a single good season in France and a host of top clubs are lining up to offer 100mill.

Clearly the national teams coaching and a lot of big clubs haven't rated Lacazette as highly as some fans.
 
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el3mel said:
It's not valid. A chance is a chance and you aren't supposed to have all your chances 1 vs 1 with the GK. If your players need to be 5 yards away from the goal to score then the problem is in your players not the system. Creative players are those who can score from hard chances and all EPL teams have these kind of players. How many hard goals have Chelsea scored this season by individual brilliance or set pieces ? Not all goals in the EPL are 1 vs 1. This point is overrated imo to downplay our attacking play this season, and anyway can you tell me how many chances here were hard to score ? Why no player tried to shoot in a corner instead of shooting it in the body of GK ? There are some plays when they have all the time in the world but they chose to shoot in the middle of the goal.



You won't get someone like Zlatan 100% but Morata is the closest in the market to him in the hold up play, imo.
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You are really extrapolating a point Im not really making or focusing on. Morata wont get half the service and chances he does at Madrid and it remains to be seen if he can adapt to that.

Not sure he has better hold up play than Icardi, Lukaku, mind.
 
Sammyjunn said:
You are really extrapolating a point Im not really making or focusing on. Morata wont get half the service and chances he does at Madrid and it remains to be seen if he can adapt to that.

Not sure he has better hold up play than Icardi, Lukaku, mind.
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Morata was playing a lot with the Madrid reserves not with Ronaldo, Bale and others. He played mostly with James, Isco and Asensio when Zidane was rotating his side at the end of the season to keep Ronaldo and most XI fresh for the CL, giving his trust to the reserves to win the winnable matches in the league and it paid off. I don't think Miki, Mata and Pogba won't be able to give him enough chances to score goals as well, if we played like we played at the first half of the season.

Morata is better in his all round play and hold up than Lukaku imo, don't follow Inter so don't know about Icardi.
 
https://www.managingmadrid.com/2017/6/24/15867758/morata-manchester-united-news-2017-real-madrid

Real Madrid are enjoying a fairly quiet summer in terms of offers received so far, as president Florentino Perez said last week that the club had not received a single bid for players like Alvaro Morata, James Rodriguez or Cristiano Ronaldo, all rumored to be on their way out of the Spanish capital.

Morata, however, wants to become a Manchester United player next week and would like the British club to submit their bid soon enough so that his future for next season is clear. Still, Madrid want at least €80 million to let the Spanish attacker go and United are only willing to offer €70 million so far.

The striker doesn't want to force his way out, so his agent Juanma Lopez is trying to convince United of submitting a good offer which clears Morata's path to the Premier League as soon as possible. Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane tried to talk Morata into staying with Madrid but the attacker still wants a more relevant role than what Zidane can offer him at Real Madrid.

Force a move or get to feck.
 
His agent trying to convince us to offer more money? Really? Let's tell them to feck off. We've already offered more than he's bloody worth. If he wants to keep nice relations with Madrid, that's fine - just not at our expense. Just pull out and let them go get the 90M euros from someone else.
 
Reading through this and the Perisic threads makes me feel that some fans are too fixated with individual player's "success" than how a player would fit into the team and Jose's system. Morata may not become a 30 goals per season striker with us, but that doesn't mean he isn't worth investing in. The most important thing is how he fits into Jose's plans, and this we have to trust Jose to get it right.
 
€80m? What a fecking joke, Andy Carrol was better value than this guy.
 
Morata not wanting to force a move pushes the price right up for us. Does it affect his loyalty bonus or something if he asks to leave?
 
BennyBlanco said:
He has a point though, Lacazette has been hitting 20+ goals a season in France for a good 4-5 years, touted for a big move to the PL for a good 2-3 summers now, and in that time Giroud has been constantly been selected over him for the national team and Lacazette still finds himself playing in French league. Meanwhile another youngster like Mbappe has a single good season in France and a host of top clubs are lining up to offer 100mill.

Clearly the national teams coaching and a lot of big clubs haven't rated Lacazette as highly as some fans.
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Giroud has been lethal playing for France. There has not been a need to replace him.
 
RedCurry said:
I think there's a huge bias in your posts. First of all, that dribble from Morata is not impressive. He runs in a straight line. Kicking it and sprinting towards the ball is not considered dribbling. I also don't understand why Lukaku actually showing his strength is supposed to make his dribble messy.

Also Lukaku did touch the ball a fair few times and embarrassed Chelsea's entire defense in and around the box which is a lot harder.

Lukaku touched the ball 5 times and Morata 6 except Lukaku scored.
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I don't remember I said it's an impressive dribble. I would have mentioned Robben, Hazard, Messi and etc if I want to mention impressive dribble.

I only make comparison of two players who uses ball control when dribbling the ball and the other one who doesn't use ball control and that's why I called it messy.

If you can't see the difference between Morata dribble that he did vs Bayern with Lukaku's solo that he did vs Chelsea then you have some homework to do to learn about how to dribble the ball properly.
 
If there's any truth Real Madrid are trying to lure Mbappé by stating they're going to get rid of one of the BBC, how is Morata also going to be sold? Doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe we should be trying that guy instead.
 
We should abandon our chase for Moratta and bid for Mbappe.

That will show Real.
 
Mike09 said:
I don't remember I said it's an impressive dribble. I would have mentioned Robben, Hazard, Messi and etc if I want to mention impressive dribble.

I only make comparison of two players who uses ball control when dribbling the ball and the other one who doesn't use ball control and that's why I called it messy.

If you can't see the difference between Morata dribble that he did vs Bayern with Lukaku's solo that he did vs Chelsea then you have some homework to do to learn about how to dribble the ball properly.
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Oh ok so you don't think there was anything impressive in that dribble from Morata.

We are in agreement then.
 
Sometimes I feel like Man United doesn't act like the big club that it is. The reason RM and its players take advantage of United is because they can. If United demanded respect, this shite would not happen. If the player doesn't force a move, then United needs to end talks with the player and pursue someone else.

I think United need to cut ties with RM permanently. Never pursue any of their players and never sell to them again. Players in the future would know that they will never be sold to RM if they sign with United. That would save us the headache of being burned by a "I love Real madrid, I want to leave" episode. Go place a huge bid for Mbappe and drive up the price on these Aholes.

Look for another striker.
 
Unitedevils77 said:
Sometimes I feel like Man United doesn't act like the big club that it is. The reason RM and its players take advantage of United is because they can. If United demanded respect, this shite would not happen. If the player doesn't force a move, then United needs to end talks with the player and pursue someone else.

I think United need to cut ties with RM permanently. Never pursue any of their players and never sell to them again. Players in the future would know that they will never be sold to RM if they sign with United. That would save us the headache of being burned by a "I love Real madrid, I want to leave" episode. Go place a huge bid for Mbappe and drive up the price on these Aholes.

Look for another striker.
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Agree, he wants his cake and to eat it.
 
RedCurry said:
Oh ok so you don't think there was anything impressive in that dribble from Morata.

We are in agreement then.
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Mike09 said:
Lukaku is proven PL but you will never see Lukaku to be able to dribble with good ball control like what Morata did to Bayern. Apart from goals, Lukaku is more about pace and strength only.

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I guess the whole argument and discussion have been pointless because you didn't read my post properly. Next time please read it properly before jump into conclusion.
 
Rojofiam said:
Well, our opinions differ a lot. Time will definitely tell, though. I think Martial is one of the biggest talents around and he is a truly brilliant player.
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Martial certainly has natural ability, no doubting that. But IMO, he won't be an automatic starter in a team which wins the EPL, anytime soon, though this could change in time.

He was dropped from the French team, last Summer, for being average/crap.
He then played for us last season and for every good game he had, he would go on to have 4 poor games.
So, rather than improve, he has regressed.

Given that he had one good season, he is definitely worth keeping around for next season, though I do think that if he does have another bad season, I think he should be sold.
Sadly some players (Shaw being a great example), just can't make the step up to the next level. In our case, we are going from a 5th/6th place to a 1st place team.

Re: Morata vs Lukaku
Lukaku is not great, but he is EPL proven (20 league goals per season) and that is a huge plus.
Morata could turn out to be better, but he is a risk. He could turn out to be another 5 league goals/season attacker (of which we have already have plenty).
 
Mike09 said:
Lukaku is proven PL but you will never see Lukaku to be able to dribble with good ball control like what Morata did to Bayern. Apart from goals, Lukaku is more about pace and strength only.

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You value dribbling so highly? What about the goal count? Goals win games, not dribbles and Lukaku scores goals.
I am not saying that Morata can't also score goals, but right now, we need goals, not dribbles and Lukaku is knows how to score goals in the EPL.
In saying all of the above, I would not complain if Morata was our No.9.
 
Mike09 said:
I guess the whole argument and discussion have been pointless because you didn't read my post properly. Next time please read it properly before jump into conclusion.
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The video you posted does not convey your message about Morata's "good ball control" any more than the video of Lukaku. And to be honest they are both decent moments of running with the ball but nothing that reflects on anything much. My point is that you can pull videos like that of most footballers. If either of them was producing moments like that on consistent basis we would have a case to discuss. But "good ball control" isn't what these two strikers are known for.
 
Sammyjunn said:
You are really extrapolating a point Im not really making or focusing on. Morata wont get half the service and chances he does at Madrid and it remains to be seen if he can adapt to that.

Not sure he has better hold up play than Icardi, Lukaku, mind.
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How can you watch that video and say Morata won't get enough chances? Our football in that game was outstanding; our finishing awful. There was only one really excellent save there (Lingard's header) but there were about three or four that should have been put away (and Ibra probably would have put away if he'd been in better form).
 
RedCurry said:
The video you posted does not convey your message about Morata's "good ball control" any more than the video of Lukaku. And to be honest they are both decent moments of running with the ball but nothing that reflects on anything much. My point is that you can pull videos like that of most footballers. If either of them was producing moments like that on consistent basis we would have a case to discuss. But "good ball control" isn't what these two strikers are known for.
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Like I have already said the purpose of me posted the video is to say that with Morata, he can dribble the ball with good ball control which you will know if you watch him play. While Lukaku doesn't do such a thing because his ball control is poor which you should know if you watch him play.

My post has nothing to do with who's a better striker. I'm just using one of main aspect that Lukaku has issue with and I even said that Lukaku is proven in PL which is a benefit of him over Morata. And personally that issue is a big issue for top club who prefer first choice or main striker who can keep the ball with good ball control.

And you can also read the second paragraph @sunama
 
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Lukaku is PL proven, so what? It's not like La Liga is some 2nd rate league. Morata has shown he can score goals at the highest level while also handling the pressure playing for a massive club like ours brings. He's scored 15 goals an assisted 5 in 20 games in the spanish league last season. 15 goals in 1331min. That's more than a goal per game. He's also scored in QF, SF and F of the Champions League against some of the best teams around. The reasons he hasn't been a starter have been discussed before and him not scoring enough goals isn't one of them. At Juve, they were afraid Real Madrid would yank him back because they had a buy back clause, so Juve choose to use him conservatively. But he always played the biga games and scored almost in all of them. At Real Madrid, It's mere politics.

Also, I see a lot of people belittling the spanish league but I for one think it's the best league in the world right now and UEFA agrees. Spanish teams have shown they can batter PL teams at any level. Remember Celta Vigo against us? We were very lucky to go through based on our performance in the 2nd leg. Celta Vigo finished 11th in La Liga and yet they ran circles around us. I wouldn't the bet against Sevilla beating Chelsea. The quality of teams in England is the worst it's been in a long time.

Morata is tall, strong, fast, mobile, technically sound and good at link up play. He can play in any league in the world.
 
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I don't think Morata is an upgrade on Ibra. There again, there's no one available who is. The situation is what it is ie we are desperate for a striker, there are no WC strikers available and those who are meah will cost us big. Lets sign Morata for the fee Real are asking for and then invest in our wingers etc. We'll need it
 
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We should just tell Madrid to feck off now. Anything over 65 million is just stupid money, Play them at their own game and end all interest

Then go to Dortmund and bid 70 million for aubemyang whose a much better striker anyway
 
Unitedevils77 said:
Sometimes I feel like Man United doesn't act like the big club that it is. The reason RM and its players take advantage of United is because they can. If United demanded respect, this shite would not happen. If the player doesn't force a move, then United needs to end talks with the player and pursue someone else.

I think United need to cut ties with RM permanently. Never pursue any of their players and never sell to them again. Players in the future would know that they will never be sold to RM if they sign with United. That would save us the headache of being burned by a "I love Real madrid, I want to leave" episode. Go place a huge bid for Mbappe and drive up the price on these Aholes.

Look for another striker.
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Giving up when we are not being able to secure our top targets, doesn't sound like a big club to me.

Taking a young striker from the back to back champions league winners who ideally do not want to sell however, that seems like a big club.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
We should just tell Madrid to feck off now. Anything over 65 million is just stupid money, Play them at their own game and end all interest

Then go to Dortmund and bid 70 million for aubemyang whose a much better striker anyway
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ie a 28 year old speed merchant...fine
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Anything over 65 million is just stupid money,

Then go to Dortmund and bid 70 million for aubemyang whose a much better striker anyway
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does Jose want aubameyang? Or are you advocating for Woodward to buy players and tell jose to get stuffed?

When has any outlet reported Jose has had an interest in managing aubameyang at United?
 
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