Because Juventus weren't going to build around a player who has a buy back clause.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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I'm sure if he was good enough he'd play regardless of the certainty behind his future. It's like saying Atletico may as well stop playing Griezmann as much given his buyout clause and inevitability of us coming back for him.
Actually, it looks like there are quite a few available this summer: Lukaku, Lacazette, Aubumeyang, Costa. That Bellotti guy also seems to be a very good goalscorer, although I am not very familiar with him.
There is a guy a few pages back saying that Juve didn't play him so that Madrid won't see how good he is and activate his buy back clause...
He actually played 1 more game that Zlatan did at Juve. They both spent 2 seasons there
Costa is only leaving Chelsea to get out of England, there's no chance he'd come here or that Chelsea would sell to us, and while I personally rate Aubameyang highly we have a manager who wants a striker with strong hold-up play and he doesn't have it. The others you listed are no better than Morata and haven't done anything more impressive than him IMO, they are all risks and he's a better all round player than them in terms of what he brings as a focal point.
In the two years he had at Juve, he managed to have more appearances than Zlatan did.
He also managed to have a better goals to game ratio.
Obviously this is all according to Wiki. I will assume Morata had more subbed appearances though, but that can work for him for his goal to minutes ratio
No problems mate. I have a thread of my own where I'm advocating (almost by myself) not to buy Madrid players. So I understand where you are coming from but yes, I hope both of us are proven wrong
Didn't Zlatan have much better talent to compete with in that position? Trezeguet / Del Piero?
He did, but Zlatan has been talked about as one of the best Strikers in the game. Morata is still trying to find his feet, but when given the chance has done well.
Real bought him back because they knew they'd make money on him. Who'd have known what Morata may have done if he was able to stay at Juve.
Over the years, Mourinho has demanded a very particular playing style from his CFs. He'll occasionally change those requirements when he has to, but the template he likes to have is the one he's had the most success with. It's where his main striker is there primarily to disrupt the backline and for the goals to come from attacking midfield and wide forwards. Not too dissimilar to how Fergie used Hughes or Tevez.
If Mourinho feels as though Morata can fulfill that role, he's the perfect man for United regardless of statistics or track-record. And the fact that Jose has worked with the guy before suggests that he knows what he's doing.
Having a striker like that will bring the best out of Martial and Pogba (and hopefully another new signing or two). I think it's the space that the frontman creates, rather than the linkup play or numerical output, that our current manager prioritises. That's not something that fans are always best places to judge, incidentally. It's one of the qualities for which Fellaini has been so loved by his coaches but missed by so many people you see on the internet.
Having said all of that, I admit I don't know a lot about Morata. I only know about Mourinho. And going by the latter's longterm preferences, I think a lot of the discussion in this thread is missing the point.
If Mourinho feels as though Morata can fulfill that role, he's the perfect man for United regardless of statistics or track-record. And the fact that Jose has worked with the guy before suggests that he knows what he's doing.
Having a striker like that will bring the best out of Martial and Pogba (and hopefully another new signing or two). I think it's the space that the frontman creates, rather than the linkup play or numerical output, that our current manager prioritises. That's not something that fans are always best places to judge, incidentally. It's one of the qualities for which Fellaini has been so loved by his coaches but missed by so many people you see on the internet.
Having said all of that, I admit I don't know a lot about Morata. I only know about Mourinho. And going by the latter's longterm preferences, I think a lot of the discussion in this thread is missing the point.
Also, there's a difference between a link-man (like RvN) and a disruptor (like Drogba during his first few years at Chelsea). The former was all about link-up play and getting into the box. The latter was about pulling defenders out of position and opening up channels for his teammates.
I think it's an early Drogba-type that Mourinho is going for. But more technical than Lukaku, before anyone pipes up with that. Hopefully, Morata can be that man.
I think it's an early Drogba-type that Mourinho is going for. But more technical than Lukaku, before anyone pipes up with that. Hopefully, Morata can be that man.
No, because Morata was great when counter attacking (i.e. in big games) but couldn't handle tight and deep Serie A defenses as well as Dybala and Mandzukic.
Morata is like the reverse Higuaín in that regard.
Lukaku: Wants to go back to Chelsea and not to us
Lacazette: Is bit of a hit and miss kind of striker. Plus he is not playing in a league which is up to premier league quality
Aubumeyang: Is not a hold up typical number 9. Runs the channels very much like Rashford. And is 29.
Costa: seriously? He is like the most unsavoury player I know. Plus he is not fast at all. There is a reason why he wants to go to China and it doesn't take a genius to understand that motive
Bellotti: He is a finisher but he is also very unproven so....
Yet some here think he has RVP level hold up play...
You watched him every game for 2 years, what do you think, is he good enough to be the main striker for a team who aims to be the best?
I think we need to get realistic.
United is a great club but the reality is that we suffered a dip after Sir Alex left. Unfortunately, the great man also didn't particularly prepare the team well for his exit if you ask me.
Where we are now is a rebuilding process. We have to be realistic about this. Right now, at this moment, we are not the all conquering Manchester United.
Fortunately, we have signed one of the best managers in the world who is able to attract some good players despite where we are as a club.
We need to stay calm and give Jose time. I like his first few recruits. Pogba, Mikhi, Bailly, Zlatan and Lindelof. Not bad at all. That's like a score of 80% pass in my opinion. The guy who made those purchases deserves some trust. I also remember United was deliberately low key during the January window because of those expected this summer. The focus was more on selling and I think the selling part of Jose's rebuilding process has been as brilliant as the buying part.
If Jose thinks Morata will fit in perfectly into his title winning plan, then Morata's stats and records must have relevant meaning to Jose. Football transfer is never an exact science. It is a combination of records, stats, form, willingness of a player, willingness of the selling club, costs, hidden nuances, compatibility, etc that ultimately determine which player best fits which team or manager. That a player is not in our list of top 10 players does not mean he will not be a better fit for the club than the player who is number three in the world in his post.
Well said.
I agree with this - Utd need to build a team full of players suited to the way Jose wants them to play. This doesn't mean necessarily buying the 'best players' in every position, rather you buy the best player who will fit the way you play.
Very well said.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Legendary status first, Hollywood movee after.
Its all suspiciously quiet on this front.
Ive no issue spending 70m on him, but i can't help but rather we'd spend 30m extra on mbappe. That would at least explain us going for less glamourous options in midfield amd on the wing.
Not that he'd join us anyway
Ive no issue spending 70m on him, but i can't help but rather we'd spend 30m extra on mbappe. That would at least explain us going for less glamourous options in midfield amd on the wing.
Not that he'd join us anyway
At this point, what's the difference between 70 and 80m? Just throw it on some performance clauses, call it a day, and get this deal done.
Where does this notion come from, that Levy is a shrewd businessman that only sell players 200% of their market price? Just because of Bale (which I think he's 'sold' in a fair price)??
Spurs are in a more powerful position at the moment, they are a good team who seem to be cementing a regular CL spot. If anyone wants their players in the near future they will need to pay a very high price.
Modric-refused to leave him go to Chelsea and only would allow sale abroad.
Berbatov-Haggled with us to the last minute on transfer deadline day (literally) to the point where Fergie said he would never buy from him again. (or something to that effect).
Keane to Liverpool-made a fair amount of cash off that one.
Think the Soldado transfer to Valencia was a drama?
Vetoing Adebayour going on loan to West Ham (wouldn't blame him for this one).
Above expected fees for the likes of Mason/Chadli/Sandro and about 20 million in transfer fees for Defoe over the years.
That's just of the top of my head, Im fairly sure theres more in there somewhere. Could just be that Spurs are a really well run club as well considering how well they normally do with transfers.
Is he sailing here?
Looks like he's in Italy.
Some one should tell him he's headed the wrong way.
All those canals. Wait until he sees our Manchester Ship Canal.Looks like he's in Italy.
Some one should tell him he's headed the wrong way.
spot on
Morata/Fabinho/Matic and Perisic before we leave for tour please
All the huff and puff are coming to the same end product. Those players were still sold, and at the fair price. Players still hold the power to move, and to which club.
Kane will be United player if he wants to. Morata will be as well. And even to best players like Ronaldo and Messi.
It's the same to even when Manchester United was one of the best club in the world under Fergie. Not to mention for a 2nd rate team like Tottenham Hotspur.
The whole 'levy is shrewd businessman who can get a great deal ' is a myth. What it is, is a symptom of a team and fans willing to accept mediocrity. Whenever they have as n excellent player wanted by a big club and the player wants to go, unlike clubs such as us, city, arse, chelsea, they don't feel panic about having to replace said player with someone of equal ability or potential. Levy just waits until the last hour of the transfer window to accept the final bid. He doesn't get flak off the supporters because they accept they are a selling club and dont expect to improve year on year like we do (even if that expectation is barely met recently!)
Be interesting to see what he does over next few years. He's in a good position at the moment as he has a solid team and all best players are on long term contracts. When they inevitably fail to impress as the last year next year, he'll have a few want-aways on the cards. They've done brilliant business not only with their manager but the type of players they've bought and brought through (actually have improved their team with the Bale money than if they kept him).
Shrewd to the point where they were left with Frazier Campbell as a replacement, found themselves in the relegation zone and had to sack another manager. I could do without that level of shrewd.
Levy is a clown. His touted business acumen has ruined the start to many a Spurs season and their current success is despite him, not because of him. If and when Pochettino makes a move, Levy will go back to treading water.
Not in Modrics case. And theres no arguing that they do very well on the fees they sell players for in most cases.
True, Berbatov could have been sold a lot earlier allowing for an easier time to replace him. It was still near a record transfer at the time so money was never an issue.
Anyway Im only guessing that the cases I listed above is where Levy gets his reputation from. Probably inflated artificially by teams just not willing to do business with other PL teams for the simple reason of the extra hassle trying to sign players from a rival team who are also in the top 6 and not just Spurs.
Sun saying deal will get done this week, 60m.
Nothing on their site. Which journalist?
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