Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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mu4c_20le said:
But he has scored just as much if not more goals, thats my point. Just because he isn't a firm starter, doesn't necessarily take away from his ability. He could be a gem that's being underused, or imo, about to breakout into a star.
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Against who? Most of his goals were against the bottom teams of La Liga in which Real usually scores 5-6 goals per match. Not impressive at all. It's not like he hasn't got a chance to play for another team also, Juventus had him and by most accounts (from Juve fans) they say that his first season was relatively good while the second season was disappointing. It's way too risky considering that next season will be extremely important as to where we are going to position ourselves - in the top 4 or out of it. If he doesn't work out, we're fecked.

I dont mean to be rude, but I would love it if you could explain why you think he is better or more proven, beacuse i'm not sure if you've watched Lyon enough. Besides playing at a league at a lower standard than La liga/serie A, he also squanders a lot of chances, in an environment where Memphis is ripping it up. There is a reason why only Arsenal are looking at him.
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RDCR07 gave my answer pretty much. Just to add that he scored 6 goals out of 8 matches in the EL last season.
 
RDCR07 said:
That isnt stopping people from raving about Mbappe and given the chance the entire cafe is 100% on board to sign him. He played in the same french league. Lacazette didnt just score 20 goals. He scored 37 goals in 45 appearances.
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That's true, and a good point about hype. Thing is though, he's only 18 and it's quite unusual to see a teenager score in the CL like he did, with that kind of composure. So it's the potential that excites people. Lacazette is imo playing in his prime, he's ready to hit the ground running which actually makes him a very good target for Arsenal who need immediate quality and not more kids. Personally I don't really rate Lac or Belotti that much, I prefer more technical and elegant players, and I know we are overpaying 5-10m for Morata but I trust Jose/Woody to do the right thing.
 
Dumat12 said:
Difference is Pogba is a proven player and one of the best midfielders in the world, also coming of a great season with Juve. Who the feck is Morata that we should pay that much? The next Messi?
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Think he's saying that we were hearing made up fee's with Pogba last summer and ended up with a real fee of 89m when tons of press were saying it's well over 100m.

All this 80m talk is probably bollocks. The press only knows that we want him and that's it. They have been wrong about what day he will sign and all kinds of other stuff. They are probably wrong about what is holding up the deal as they are most the time.

Same last year with Pogba soon as the Euro's finished it was "48 hours from now", "early next week" etc; etc; I'd bet here it's just about how the payment is structured.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I got fully baited in that case!

We should 100% back off and start pursuing other targets. RM are a nightmare club to negotiate with and if we're looking at £80m surely it's worth probing (however unlikely) Bayern for Lewandowski? Arsenal for Sanchez? Tottenham for Kane?

All 3 are players I would rather see here.
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I have nothing against Morata and think he'd do well here but considering they want only £11 million less than what we paid for one of the best midfielders in the world I'd say its time to back off.
 
Dumat12 said:
Care to expalin why you think Morata is better than Lacazette?
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If you need that question answered then you are clueless. It has nothing to do with better, it has to do with the qualities the players offer. This isn't a fantasy world where Lacazette and Morata have player ratings and whoever has a higher rating is the 'better' player.

Morata is compared to Belotti and Lukaku because they are the same type of player. They are dedicated strikers. Lacazette is much closer to a centre forward/second striker like Griezmann and would not be in the conversation for a lone striker.

The question isnt who is the better player, the question is who will best fill the gap left by Ibrahimovic. Lukaku, Morata and Belotti are the main candidates for this.
 
RDCR07 said:
That isnt stopping people from raving about Mbappe and given the chance the entire cafe is 100% on board to sign him. He played in the same french league. Lacazette didnt just score 20 goals. He scored 37 goals in 45 appearances.
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Including 11 penalties.



I found only about 2 or 3 magnificent goals but other goals I'm struggling to think of any striker that won't score it, be Morata or any one else.

The guy is 26 years old but no top club has been even interested in him all these years and still didn't move away from France, they must have a point.

He's not bad but he's heavily overrated by some here.
 
The fee for Pogba was quoted at 125-145 million consistently through the summer. We ended up paying 89 million all in.
 
Dumat12 said:
Against who? Most of his goals were against the bottom teams of La Liga in which Real usually scores 5-6 goals per match. Not impressive at all.
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Hey, I'm not going to go through each of his appearances individually. A goal is a goal, and how many times last season did we struggle to score against supposedly lower teams?
 
€90m and we're gonna be worse than last year in the striker department.
 
Dumat12 said:
90 million? Real can go feck themselves. I don't care if he's Mourinho type of player or not, this is ridiculous. Suarez went to Barca for like 60 off the back of a magnificent season rivaling Ronaldo just 3 years ago, and we're here paying 90 million for some unproven striker with meh potential who's not even a starter at Real.

Can you imagine what will happen next season when they see us paying that type of cash for Perisic and Morata?

Real are taking the piss, tell them to feck off and buy someone else. Morata isn't the only striker open for move in this window and he sure ain't the best
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Second and thirded. There is no way he'd live up to it all. Get a striker, any striker on the market such as PEA as insurance policy, regardless how suitable he is to play Jose's style, and have Madrid suck on that.
 
RDCR07 said:
That isnt stopping people from raving about Mbappe and given the chance the entire cafe is 100% on board to sign him. He played in the same french league. Lacazette didnt just score 20 goals. He scored 37 goals in 45 appearances.
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Half of them penalties, it is a great way to inflate your goal scoring numbers if you are allowed to score all penalties and your team is getting a feck load of penalties.
 
Aye, always remember what SAF said about Italians and Pasta. Morata cannot be trusted.
 
mu4c_20le said:
That's true, and a good point about hype. Thing is though, he's only 18 and it's quite unusual to see a teenager score in the CL like he did, with that kind of composure. So it's the potential that excites people. Lacazette is imo playing in his prime, he's ready to hit the ground running which actually makes him a very good target for Arsenal who need immediate quality and not more kids. Personally I don't really rate Lac or Belotti that much, I prefer more technical and elegant players, and I know we are overpaying 5-10m for Morata but I trust Jose/Woody to do the right thing.
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This is the main reason so many on the cafe arent ready to sign Mbappe or Dembele for big money because they have potential but arent ready to hit the ground running. Even for Morata you are paying for potential. There is no guarantee he hits the ground running. There might be a settling in period. They are arguing we need someone in their prime. Here is a guy who IS in his prime and you're saying he isnt what we need?
 
Isn't it possible that euros were mistake for pounds again by some lazy journalists and suddenly €78m has magically become €90m ?
 
el3mel said:
The guy is 26 years old but no top club has been even interested in him all these years and still didn't move away from France, they must have a point.

He's not bad but he's heavily overrated by some here.
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Why do teams have you to be interested in you to be a good/big player? That is a ridiculous notion. This cafe thinks Perisic is going to be a great signing. Overrating Lacazette is much better than overrating that piece of trash.
 
windycityfan said:
Not once did I hear or read anything above 100 million. But your point stands, it may end up being lower than the advertised.
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Yes there was, 145€ was the highest but everyone thought the price was £100m right until the fee was announced.
 
The red panther said:
Half of them penalties, it is a great way to inflate your goal scoring numbers if you are allowed to score all penalties and your team is getting a feck load of penalties.
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For the second season running by the way he scored a bunch last season too, 21 goals and 3 assists last season to be exact only 2 penalties.
 
I wonder if some of you would be happier if we weren't the richest club in the world, and we were forced to buy cheap players.
 
RDCR07 said:
Why do teams have you to be interested in you to be a good/big player? That is a ridiculous notion. This cafe thinks Perisic is going to be a great signing. Overrating Lacazette is much better than overrating that piece of trash.
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You didn't replay on the large portion of penalties in his goals or on the video.

Replay on the whole post not just the part you can replay on.

And since when did the Caf think Perisic is a great signing ? :lol: It's completely the opposite.
 
M4YON said:
Even though that tranfer fee is ridiculous and only £11 million off what we paid for one of the best midfielders in the world, is Morata really in that bracket?
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Well i was using your justification for his (probably) huge wages, and simply applying it to his transfer fee.
Secondly, i don't think you can logically compare one player to another to gauge their price in order to justify their fee. The transfer market is absurd, and each year the prices being paid are exponentially growing. As Mourinho said, Pogba will probably look like a cheap purchase in a couple of years due to absurd about of money being exchanged year after year.

His worth to the club will obviously only be able to be calculated after a few seasons with us. We'll just be delving into the hypothetical discussing that now. Anyway, my main point was to just use what you said about his wages and apply it to his transfer fee; it's the same principal.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
I wonder if some of you would be happier if we weren't the richest club in the world, and we were forced to buy cheap players.
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People moaned when we looked for value in the market. People moan when we're ready to pay top dollar. People just like to moan really.
 
el3mel said:
You didn't replay on the large portion of penalties in his goals or on the video.

Replay on the whole post not just the part you can replay on.
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What does this have to do with anything?

And since when did the Caf think Perisic is a great signing ? :lol: It's completely the opposite.
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Are you kidding me? Look at his thread and the Are you happy with signing these four thread....so many are happy with not only signing Perisic but spending 50m to get him.
 
RDCR07 said:
What does this have to do with anything?
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It has. His goals record is inflated heavily by the large portion of penalties that he scores. Give this number of penalties to any striker and he'll score more than 30 goals easily. It's not that complicated.

RDCR07 said:
Are you kidding me? Look at his thread and the Are you happy with signing these four thread....so many are happy with not only signing Perisic but spending 50m to get him.
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Didn't you see the massive meltdown happening when the news broke of us wanting him ? you'll find it in the threadmarks.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Well i was using your justification for his (probably) huge wages, and simply applying it to his transfer fee.
Secondly, i don't think you can logically compare one player to another to gauge their price in order to justify their fee. The transfer market is absurd, and each year the prices being paid are exponentially growing. As Mourinho said, Pogba will probably look like a cheap purchase in a couple of years due to absurd about of money being exchanged year after year.

His worth to the club will obviously only be able to be calculated after a few seasons with us. We'll just be delving into the hypothetical discussing that now. Anyway, my main point was to just use what you said about his wages and apply it to his transfer fee; it's the same principal.
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Our revenue will easily cover a transfer fee for Morata but even in todays market Morata isn't worth anywhere what we are being asked to pay.

Morata for £55 million - About right what we should be paying and would constitute value in the market.

Morata for £65 - Inflated market price above market value but could live with that price if he starts well.

Morata for £78 million - Absurd price having our pants pulled down and spanked. Paying a world record fee for a Spanish striker that isn't first on the team sheet for either club or country.

This isnt just how l view the transfer but how United should be viewing the transfer too.

Those saying we should just pay the fee Real Madrid want show why they have no grasp on how to run a buisness or how to negotiate.
 
M4YON said:
I have nothing against Morata and think he'd do well here but considering they want only £11 million less than what we paid for one of the best midfielders in the world I'd say its time to back off.
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Add ons are key, I'm sure the criteria is high as well, but not giving De Gea over means we would've always had to overpay.
 
The red panther said:
Well that isn't too impressive
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That is Ligue 1 only 26 if you count CL appearances.

No not overly impressive but consistent i can see why both Atletico and Arsenal have showed interest him.

Tall, strong and pacey too, a viable alternative to Morata but obviously not Mourinho's typical kind of striker despite sharing many similar traits to Morata.
 
Varun said:
People moaned when we looked for value in the market. People moan when we're ready to pay top dollar. People just like to moan really.
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Looks that way. It's been nothing but incessant moaning on here since the season finished.
 
Varun said:
People moaned when we looked for value in the market. People moan when we're ready to pay top dollar. People just like to moan really.
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We need to sign top table players for bargain bucket prices paying them the national minimum wage, is that too much to ask for?
 
80m for Morata - what a fecking joke. Get Welbeck back for 15m - dare i say, he's probably better than Morata anyway.
 
KN5 said:
Add ons are key, I'm sure the criteria is high as well, but not giving De Gea over means we would've always had to overpay.
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True but overpaying and being robbed are two different things. Overpaying would be 65 million, 78 million is absurd.

One can only hope the fees reported are incorrect like they were with Pogba.
 
Varun said:
People moaned when we looked for value in the market. People moan when we're ready to pay top dollar. People just like to moan really.
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That's ridiculous. Can't you see the difference in a world class player and an average bench warmer? If we were paying 150m for Neymar, I'd be all in. We're paying 80m for fecking Morata so that Real can buy the next biggest talent Mbappe for just 10-15m more. It's daylight robbery
 
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