That isn't how it works. You don't know what our budget is, who we are looking to sign, how the deals will be structured. It's all silly money anyway.
The only thing we (fans) need concern ourselves with is whether or not the player is good enough.
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That isn't how it works. You don't know what our budget is, who we are looking to sign, how the deals will be structured. It's all silly money anyway.
The only thing we (fans) need concern ourselves with is whether or not the player is good enough.
My point was more why are we missing out on players like Jesus and having to pay top dollar to Madrid.
1. You don't know what the budget is
2. You don't know who our other targets are
3. You don't know what we can and can't afford
The clueless one here is you, not Mourinho
Maybe now they are getting a keeper they can drop the price abit
I didn't say Mourinho was clueless. Also, yes every fan is clueless that way so let's stop discussing transfers then?
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I was more getting at the fact that you're knocking Lukaku for the club he plays at while actively wanting us to sign Belotti.
He's making fun of all the people focusing on price and appearances, who are probably basing their opinions on what they've managed to glean off his Wikipedia page.
And all three are players that would never come, at least not at that price. Lewa or Kane for £80m? Not going to happen. And Arsenal are never going to sell us Sanchez.
Again with this tripe? He won them the second most points with his goals, 12 or 13 total. That's hardly him coming on and bagging a couple against relegation fodder. He also outscored Benzema while being second choice behind him.
Since when, and in what world, is 1,75 m considered tall?
I was using the same stick currently being used to beat Belotti on other players.
Seriously, I don't know why we didn't go for Andre Silva. He's a regular topscorer with similar experiences to the players which are being linked with us and was signed for around 1/3 the price
Probably because the manager doesn't believe he can lead the line for a team looking to win the league. He seems to have this belief in Morata and I'll go with Mourinho on this because the man knows how to win titles as he's proven everywhere he's been.
You said anyone who wants Morata is clueless. Mourinho wants Morata so that must make him (and Woodward) clueless.
And no, discussing transfers and having opinions is fine. But this forum is currently littered with children throwing their toys out the pram and talking as if they know - with absolute certainly - who we should and shouldn't buy, and what we should and shouldn't spend. It's not your money, you have no say in what we spend, and you have no idea how much a player is worth to our club. The money is completely irrelevant to everyone except the people who own the club and the investors. If they are all happy to spend €80m on Morata then that's their business. All we should care about is if the player will improve our team.
You're being inconsiderate, United fans around the world were getting dogs abuse for Pogba's fee. The club should spend in a way to maximize the banter levels at work
And the reported fee may not even be what ends up being official! This has happened in several of our transfers very recently!
People need to stop saying things along the lines of "it's not your money so shut up". It's quite reasonable for some fans to believe that we will spunk 90mil on a player who won't solve our problems and we'll be in the transfer market again next summer and other teams will quote us 100m for their average strikers and we get that average player in who still doesn't solve our problems. We could suddenly be sitting at 200m spent and still needing a proper striker. Yes it's not my money(well it is if I own the stock) but I'd much rather break the bank once and for all and try to get someone who is genuinely world class or just find a cheaper stop gap solution this year and go for a worldie next year. It's all opinions of course.
1. You don't know if Mourinho wants Morata
2. You don't know if Woodward has even approached Madrid
3. You don't know if Mourinho is thinking of bringing Emile Heskey back from retirement and into Utd to replace Zlatan.
It's funny how you called me clueless when you are doing exactly the same. It's about assuming based on the reports from the media. You, me and every other fan is clueless otherwise.
Why?
This forum is actually littered with opinions that there should be no opinions because "it's not your money". Fans spend a considerable amount of money (and time) to watch their team play and they have a right to discuss which players are required. If they think that buying X player is not that beneficial to their team while another player is available for a lesser price, they will want to discuss that. If they read that they have 200m and the club might blow 40% of it on an average striker with potential, they have a right to discuss.
People here need to get off their high horses and stop blaming other posters for giving an opinion on a discussion forum.
And Jesus has a fecking awful face.
How much did Madrid buy him back for last year? €30 million or something like that?
Jeez, That's a pretty magical bench that Madrid have, seeing as though it has the ability to triple a players value in a year.
Jeez, That's a pretty magical bench that Madrid have, seeing as though it has the ability to triple a players value in a year.
Real Madrid didn't triple his value, Zlatan's injury, the lack of striker supply in the market and our desperation to get a good number 9 did.
My comment was tongue in cheek mate.
If the Real Madrid story is true, about them wanting 90M for Morata think the best course of action for us is to bid 150M for Mbappe, to feck them. Then drop the interest in Morata, who else would pay 70M for him? Then change formation and play 4-3-3 then happily pay 80M for Dembele ? Rant over
That will end in Mbappe refusing to join us because he wants Madrid from the start, not us, we won't get Morata also and will enter next season with Rashford main striker, struggling to get 4th position in the league.
We'll be the biggest losers in this and Madrid will get Mbappe + Morata.
He went for €30m because he had clause in his contract. A clause which Real Madrid put there when selling him to Juve, knowing full well he had the potential to turn into a player they could use or make a good profit from.
His market value last summer was not €30m simply because due to the clause there was no market. If he didn't have the clause, I think he would still have been at Juve or a club like Chelsea would have bought him for alot more.
I'd say his market value is comfortably €60m or more. Obviously Real is playing hardball with us because they know we are desperate and we are loaded. Zlatan getting injurred and missing out on Griezmann only made that situation worse. On top of that they probably won't want to do us any favors because we have been total hardasses with them over DDG (rightfully so). That ofcourse makes the deal alot more difficult. I don't think they will get €90m from us, but they will get alot.
Can't argue with that, even by Pogba's standards it was far too much. The only saving grace we have here is if for instance there's a ballon d'or clause or like 30+ goals a season pay out, because if those things happen, it would obviously justify the payment. But of course I don't feel Morata is of that quality.
They'll be quite happy with us dropping interest. One of the reasons they're asking so much is that they prefer keeping him.
€90m??
Theory
Real Madrid go after Donnaruma, drop interest in De Gea making them drop the hardball act over Morata.
Thoughts?
Real Madrid go after Donnaruma, drop interest in De Gea making them drop the hardball act over Morata.
Thoughts?
Why wont they play hardball over Morata? One deal isnt based on the other. They are trying to fund a move for Mbappe.
Possible... but if it's true that they're using the money from Morata to partially fund Mbappe, then if we pull the plug on the deal, it's going to mess up their plans you'd imagine.
I don't think anyone else is going to come in and pay as much as we're offering
Has probably been discussed to death, can't be arsed to read the whole thread though. He's getting married on Saturday, so I think we'll finish the deal tomorrow. Whether he has time to fly for medical and all the photo stuff before the wedding, is another thing. You'd think they have a honeymoon scheduled right after, so my bet is that we get a similar confirmation as Lindelöf's last Saturday, and the medical takes place on Sunday/Monday, before they go away somewhere warm. Just figured that this post is not worth anything, just thinking out loud. Thanks for letting me share.
Hence why I included 'however unlikely' in my post. My point is if you're getting towards £80m, why not at least sound out the top 2 or 3 players.
For what it is worth, I think Kane is unattainable but Sanchez is definitely window shopping (although Arsenal would rather see him move abroad) and Lewandowski is 28 (£80m for a 28yr old is pretty damn good). Definitely long shots but you gotta shoot for the moon.
Is he worth all of that? If we are getting a striker with this ridiculous money hope he deserves it, but I doubt it very much.
Anyone else thinks his playing style is a bit like (prime) Fernando Torres ?
I still dont how you can discount a player converting penalties as goals. Whatever.
As to why Lacazette might be better - I think he has more pace, is a better finisher, is consistent, can finish with both feet, has a good first touch, interchanges well with teammates, trickery and has averaged over 25 goals in the past 4 seasons. The one thing he might be lacking is the physical/heading department but thats what we thought about Rooney and then he scored half of 40 goals with his head that one season after Ronaldo left. He isnt as bad as people make him out to be in terms of holding up play when needed.
Would be nice for all (us) muppets edging towards the cliff unable to handle the anticipation but wishful thinking.
Can't you see that most of what you said on Lacazette can be said on Morata, too, except the averaging goal scoring ratio because Morata was a sub in Juve and Madrid and he didn't get enough run as a starter to judge his goal scoring ratio ?
Very similar actually. Not quite as quick and agile while dribbling, but holds the ball up better and works harder.
So you essentially want to pay 20-30m more for a similar but not yet proven/inconsistent player?
When Lacazette can break in the starting line-up of Juve and Madrid we can talk about Morata being proven or not.
Also, 20m more is nothing in the current era of football market.
Yeh lets pay whatever they ask for their reserve striker so they can channel all those funds towards Mbappe the greatest young striker talent currently on the market.
That'll teach them!
Why do we care about how they spend the money? What I care more right now is how our manager can get what he wants, if Jose really wants him then get him with whatever they ask. If not then change to plan C.
At this point if Both Conte and Jose want him than that should be a good sign that he is worth it.
Nobody knows for sure obviously, but I assumed Madrid are playing hardball in order to get De Gea.
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