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Got a knockdown back in the 2nd and is on top now. I'd don't follow boxing all that closely but was surprised I'd never heard of this guy before last week.
You're in for a treat then! Another big knockdown in the 5th too. They don't call him the Monster for nothing.
 

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Forgotten about this - told the grandchild and gardening to feck off - just in time for the knockout
 

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Inoue being knocked down worried me a tad but the guy is just levels above the competition
 

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What date do we reckon the Fury Usyk will get cancelled?
 

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What date do we reckon the Fury Usyk will get cancelled?
Fury has a lot of haters on here; genuine question - does anyone’s opinion change if he wins next weekend?

I feel like the Ngannou performance might end up being a good thing and has given him a kick up the backside. He looks in great shape and I think he’ll revert back to boxing more than people expect.
 

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Fury has a lot of haters on here; genuine question - does anyone’s opinion change if he wins next weekend?

I feel like the Ngannou performance might end up being a good thing and has given him a kick up the backside. He looks in great shape and I think he’ll revert back to boxing more than people expect.
Never know what to expect from him. He could try cagey or fight like he did against Wilder which I think is his best option anyway try and tire him out.
 

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Fury has a lot of haters on here; genuine question - does anyone’s opinion change if he wins next weekend?

I feel like the Ngannou performance might end up being a good thing and has given him a kick up the backside. He looks in great shape and I think he’ll revert back to boxing more than people expect.
I don't mind Fury, if he wins opinions about him will change no different to how he was heralded when stopping Wilder for the first time.

I think his CV does lack some panache but Usyk is undoubtedly pound for pound up there with Crawford and Inoue. It would be a bigger win objectively for Tyson's career as opposed to the status of being undisputed.

It sets up a brilliant showdown for Joshua (2025), and if Anthony maintains his buzz throughout that period, beating a game Usyk and rejuvenated Joshua is a great way to close the chapter for Tyson.

Even with those victories, I don't think he can rub shoulders with your Evanders, Lewis's or a Joe Louis in the all time conversation for instance, but respectfully, the current landscape of heavyweights isn't at a criteria that would demand any fighter reach those heights.
 

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Never know what to expect from him. He could try cagey or fight like he did against Wilder which I think is his best option anyway try and tire him out.
I think using his size to try and make it physical and tire Usyk out is what people think will be his tactics but he was countered relatively easily by Ngannou and he could easily drop 3-4 rounds quickly against someone as skilled as Usyk being too aggressive.

I think he can still use his size advantage by boxing.
 

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I think using his size to try and make it physical and tire Usyk out is what people think will be his tactics but he was countered relatively easily by Ngannou and he could easily drop 3-4 rounds quickly against someone as skilled as Usyk being too aggressive.

I think he can still use his size advantage by boxing.
It's a must watch fight for a change anyway hope the local puts it on.
 

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I don't mind Fury, if he wins opinions about him will change no different to how he was heralded when stopping Wilder for the first time.

I think his CV does lack some panache but Usyk is undoubtedly pound for pound up there with Crawford and Inoue. It would be a bigger win objectively for Tyson's career as opposed to the status of being undisputed.

It sets up a brilliant showdown for Joshua (2025), and if Anthony maintains his buzz throughout that period, beating a game Usyk and rejuvenated Joshua is a great way to close the chapter for Tyson.

Even with those victories, I don't think he can rub shoulders with your Evanders, Lewis's or a Joe Louis in the all time conversation for instance, but respectfully, the current landscape of heavyweights isn't at a criteria that would demand any fighter reach those heights.
I think that’s a fair assessment.

He’s obviously massively flawed and inconsistent as a character and is also capable of sub-par performances but I also think he’s capable of rising to the occasion and I don’t think he’s a bad bloke underneath it all.
 

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I think using his size to try and make it physical and tire Usyk out is what people think will be his tactics but he was countered relatively easily by Ngannou and he could easily drop 3-4 rounds quickly against someone as skilled as Usyk being too aggressive.

I think he can still use his size advantage by boxing.
I think the difference with Ngannou is that Fury underestimated the strength. Fury loves to out muscle opponents and put his weight on them, just couldn’t do that with a guy like Ngannou who trains that on a regular basis coming from MMA.

There’s no way I can see Usyk dealing with that in the way Ngannou did.
 

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I think the difference with Ngannou is that Fury underestimated the strength. Fury loves to out muscle opponents and put his weight on them, just couldn’t do that with a guy like Ngannou who trains that on a regular basis coming from MMA.

There’s no way I can see Usyk dealing with that in the way Ngannou did.
I get it as a tactic, and he’s be stupid to not employ it at times, but he’s only really been like that from Wilder 2 onwards which has coincided with Sugar Hill in charge. He’s made himself more vulnerable by being reckless and aggressive when he doesn’t have that sort of power.

I’d just like to see him mix it up and go back to boxing at range a bit more..
 

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Archie Sharp floored within seconds of the first round and returning the favour in round 3. Good start to tonight's card on TNT.
 

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Fury looks in great shape.

He is a natural boxer and some of the comments post Francis will have stung. I get frustrated by his antics sometimes but his head movement and footwork are delightful when he is interested.
 

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Fury looks in great shape.

He is a natural boxer and some of the comments post Francis will have stung. I get frustrated by his antics sometimes but his head movement and footwork are delightful when he is interested.
Finished his cycle?
 

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Hard to say for sure but he could just have cut all his excess body fat through training hard. His body doesn't scream roids. He looks naturally lean.
I jest, a little bit. He obviously has form for it and has bad company. But anyway. Don’t like the bloke but if he knocks over Usyk then Joshua he will have some legitimacy on his record, rather than the joke it is at the moment
 

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Hard to say for sure but he could just have cut all his excess body fat through training hard. His body doesn't scream roids. He looks naturally lean.
He’s been working with nutritionist Greg Marriott again. I think he helped him shift all the weight when he first made his comeback but they had an enforced break when Marriott got cancer.

Marriott knows his stuff and wouldn’t stick around if Fury wasn’t sticking to the plan.
 

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Its just hard to like Fury sometimes. He sucks up so hard to the Saudis and his entourage including Dad are just a bunch of wasters and animals.
 

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The whole Fury family are a joke to Boxing, John is a joke full stop, he need banning.
Time the Boxing authorities stepped in and did something.
Fury's and youtubers, they are dragging boxing thought the gutter.
 

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I can’t see how he’s allowed into the arena on Saturday, although it’s Saudi so they will just brush it off so the show isn’t at risk.
 

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Genuine question, not trying to piss off his fans.

Mike Tyson seems to get plenty of love and admiration online. Why does his rape conviction not get brought up as much in comparison to other celebrities who have similar troubled histories?

Is it how long it was ago, the fact that he's served time for it etc.?

Genuinely curious.
 

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Come on guys this fight deserves a thread of its own. It shouldn't get lost in the boxing thread.

History will be made in whoever wins the fight will be the first person to hold all four heavyweight belts at the same time.

Usyk - WBA, IBF, WBO
Fury - WBC

Who will win? Both undefeated as well.
 

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Genuine question, not trying to piss off his fans.

Mike Tyson seems to get plenty of love and admiration online. Why does his rape conviction not get brought up as much in comparison to other celebrities who have similar troubled histories?

Is it how long it was ago, the fact that he's served time for it etc.?

Genuinely curious.
That's probably why. Most boxing fans of the present aren't old enough to remember it and he did do several years in jail for it at the time, so most tend to place it in the "he paid his debt to society by going to prison" category.