The RedCafe Boxing Thread

DixieDean said:
Fury's resume is pathetic for the so called best. He's beat one great fighter in klitschko and one great puncher in Wilder. And that's about it? If he gets a clean win over Usyk then he deserves huge credit for that. And that will cement his place as the current 1.
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As I said earlier, if he faces Joshua after Usyk, he’s faced what most people would consider the elite fighters of his generation.

It’s been a poor division for a decade or more, im not sure who you think his record is short of to stop it being “pathetic”.
 
G-manc said:
As I said earlier, if he faces Joshua after Usyk, he’s faced what most people would consider the elite fighters of his generation.

It’s been a poor division for a decade or more, im not sure who you think his record is short of to stop it being “pathetic”.
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He missing really good and or solid fighters from his resume. Fighters like - Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz. For the supposed number 1, yes I think his resume is pathetic. Who are the really good fighters that he's beat? As I said, one great one, one with a ATG punch and that's about all I've got.
 
I think Fury will win this pretty easily due to his size. He's naturally evasive and a proper heavyweight. That's not great for Usyk who relies on his boxing skills, but hasn't got the power to trouble Fury as long as he's still got the timing to step back from punches.
 
Glorio said:
Why would the cards favour Fury in this fight though? Usyk is as big a reputation as anyone. It's not like Fury is the champ and Usyk is the plucky challenger, neither is it a UK fight. Usyk is actually coming into this with more belts - the only reason I can think of for the judges to favour Fury would be to setup Fury vs AJ, but it seems that's on the cards either way.

In fact, I daresay it's less likely to happen if Fury wins here. He'll give us all a ducking masterclass
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The money is in Fury winning then fighting AJ. That’s the most cash-generating scenario, and the most cash-generating scenario always seems to have a favourable effect on scorecards

Edit - as you’ve acknowledged (really should have read the post a little better)
 
G-manc said:
As I said earlier, if he faces Joshua after Usyk, he’s faced what most people would consider the elite fighters of his generation.

It’s been a poor division for a decade or more, im not sure who you think his record is short of to stop it being “pathetic”.
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Joshua and Usyk - if he fights them, no one will have an issue.

But even before then, the likes of Zhang, Parker would have been respectable names on his CV. There have been higher ranked fighters than the one's he's handpicked. Whyte was a good one though and kudos to him for exposing Wilder - no complaints there.
 
G-manc said:
I know that his resume always gets compared to Joshua’s but at the end of the day, he’s unbeaten in what is, a pretty shallow division.

I would agree he’s sometimes been an issue in fights not happening but he’s fighting Usyk now and it’s obvious everyone wants the Joshua fight moving forward. That would mean Fury has faced all the other major champions during his career.

No one will remember he fought Tom Schwarz or didn’t face Dominic Brezeale or Andy feckin Ruiz.
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Nobody gave a shit about Ruiz either until he beat AJ, which should have never happened. Not fighting people like this doesn't define Fury in my opinion.

On the other hand, absolutely everyone wanted AJ vs Wilder and they never made that happen, whilst Fury fought him three times.

If AJ gets beat by a plodder = "Fury never fought him"

If Fury fights a dangerous fighter and dispatches him easily = "he's shit anyway".

He simply can't win.
 
Anyone else a bit put off buying this just because of the pacing issues all these Saudi cards have? Really can't be arsed to pay £25 and still be sitting here at 2am waiting for the ring walks which I feel is exactly what's going to happen (again).
 
DannyCAFC said:
Anyone else a bit put off buying this just because of the pacing issues all these Saudi cards have? Really can't be arsed to pay £25 and still be sitting here at 2am waiting for the ring walks which I feel is exactly what's going to happen (again).
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Hopefully, the fight starts at 12am. If so, I might make it. I fell asleep waiting for the last joshua fight. And it's really hard to avoid spoilers.
 
Glorio said:
Joshua and Usyk - if he fights them, no one will have an issue.

But even before then, the likes of Zhang, Parker would have been respectable names on his CV. There have been higher ranked fighters than the one's he's handpicked. Whyte was a good one though and kudos to him for exposing Wilder - no complaints there.
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pocco said:
Nobody gave a shit about Ruiz either until he beat AJ, which should have never happened. Not fighting people like this doesn't define Fury in my opinion.

On the other hand, absolutely everyone wanted AJ vs Wilder and they never made that happen, whilst Fury fought him three times.

If AJ gets beat by a plodder = "Fury never fought him"

If Fury fights a dangerous fighter and dispatches him easily = "he's shit anyway".

He simply can't win.
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It was the choice to fight Chisora yet again when there were so many better fighters he hadn’t faced that did his ‘CV credibility’ argument a lot of harm

People were so perplexed by that fight I honestly think it’d have been better if he’d fought nobody in that time and just been inactive. His reputation took a shot by taking that fight
 
I have to get up at 4 in the morning so I might sleep this afternoon and set the alarm for 10pm.
 
Yeah the Chisora fight pretty much settled that he's a ducker
 
What platform is everyone watching this on? First time I can remember it being on so many. I found Dazn dreadful but that was about a year ago.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
Usyk’s sheer skill will close the gap on the size disparity and he’ll give as good as he gets, not sure if he’s got that extra zip to really hurt Fury though. I’m going for a draw.
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That's a good observation most of the soviet style boxers use that pendulum movement which gives them an advantage with distance, I think a draw could be a real possibility if neither fighter does enough to cause a distinction in quality between themselves.

If Fury keeps Usyk on his backfoot he could have success while roughing him up on the inside. Too many end up memorized fighting Usyk's own fight rather than making it ugly.

Looking at Salido vs Lomachenko as a prime example, Salido had a blatant disregard for Loma and roughed him up he couldn't get the distance, timing or rhythm going. Infighting however is fast becoming a lost practice nowadays most hold or the referee doesn't stand for it.

It's not a blueprint as Loma / Usyk are fundamentally different but I think both are methodically aggressive and neither want to get into a scrap.
 
I think fury will focus on body shots and I think it’ll work.
Stoppage in one of the latter rounds is my guess.
 
Redstain said:
That's a good observation most of the soviet style boxers use that pendulum movement which gives them an advantage with distance, I think a draw could be a real possibility if neither fighter does enough to cause a distinction in quality between themselves.

If Fury keeps Usyk on his backfoot he could have success while roughing him up on the inside. Too many end up memorized fighting Usyk's own fight rather than making it ugly.

Looking at Salido vs Lomachenko as a prime example, Salido had a blatant disregard for Loma and roughed him up he couldn't get the distance, timing or rhythm going. Infighting however is fast becoming a lost practice nowadays most hold or the referee doesn't stand for it.

It's not a blueprint as Loma / Usyk are fundamentally different but I think both are methodically aggressive and neither want to get into a scrap.
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Had a free £4 bet so went for a draw at 11/1.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
Usyk’s sheer skill will close the gap on the size disparity and he’ll give as good as he gets, not sure if he’s got that extra zip to really hurt Fury though. I’m going for a draw.
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Usyk does not like work to the body from Heavyweights as Dubois showed; that movement and perpetual motion can be drained from him as the aforementioned displayed, so sheer skill in and of itself hasn’t aided him against the sheer size and power of natural heavies. If Fury digs to the body excessively, the size disparity will become a massive factor the longer the fight goes on.
 
If if if. I have to back Usyk just based on his punch output, angles of attack, movement. He's the better boxer.
 
Posh Red said:
Could just be based on betting patterns, more than anything.
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A lot of money coming in from Brits for Fury, yeah wouldn't surprise me. The odds are being pushed further in Fury's favour too, so money has definitely come in on him. Usyk by decision at almost 3/1 now feels like amazing value.
 
DixieDean said:
He missing really good and or solid fighters from his resume. Fighters like - Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz. For the supposed number 1, yes I think his resume is pathetic. Who are the really good fighters that he's beat? As I said, one great one, one with a ATG punch and that's about all I've got.
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The names you’ve mentioned qualifies my point of it being a pretty shallow division.

I’m perplexed that those names would be the difference between an acceptable or pathetic resume.

He’s literally trained with Joe Parker for years so that was never going to happen and it still irks me that Andy Ruiz is given any credence; a complete inactive waster who is considered credible by AJ fans cos he fell apart against him. His only other claim to fame is dropping a decision to Parker. What’s he even doing now?

If you do t like him then fair enough, but as long as he fights Joshua at some point, I don’t see how anyone can have too many complaints.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Why?
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He's fighting one of the pound for pound best in the world, he's shown vulnerabilities against three fighters (Wallin, Wilder and Ngannou) who have all since been embarrassed by other Top 5 fighters in the division. Whether he wins or not, I don't see what justification there is for him to be walking into this as a favourite, other than people again over-estimating the size and reach advantage of Usyk opponents.
 
I only really watch the big fights and I definitely fancy this one. I really can’t be arsed staying up past midnight for it though.
 
Chamberlain looking brilliant again. His awkward style is very effective.

He was brilliant against Gavin Gwynn too.

Wahab looked poor though.
 
G-manc said:
The names you’ve mentioned qualifies my point of it being a pretty shallow division.

I’m perplexed that those names would be the difference between an acceptable or pathetic resume.

He’s literally trained with Joe Parker for years so that was never going to happen and it still irks me that Andy Ruiz is given any credence; a complete inactive waster who is considered credible by AJ fans cos he fell apart against him. His only other claim to fame is dropping a decision to Parker. What’s he even doing now?

If you do t like him then fair enough, but as long as he fights Joshua at some point, I don’t see how anyone can have too many complaints.
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Those names I mentioned are really good fighters. That's what he is missing. It's a big hole. There are not many great Heavies in this, or most eras. However, there are lots of good ones, and he's managed to avoid fighting them throughout his career. Him hand picking derrick chorisa for the 3rd time! Sort of sums up his career up to this point

If he beats usyk and AJ, I suspect everything he hasn't done will be forgotten and he'll be remembered for those wins. Which would be fair enough, Tonight could put him on the path to greatness.

Final prediction is a controversial Fury win via SD.
 
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