League Cup Quarter-Final

Tottenham Hotspur 4:3 Manchester United

White Hart Lane

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Thu, 19 December 2024 @ 8:00pm GMT
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    We have to play close to our best team to win this game.

    There's a trophy on the line and I'm sick of us losing to this lot, whether it's by daft refereeing decisions like Bruno being sent off or them just being slightly better/less shit. It's annoying how often we've lost to Spurs lately and we've got a chance to win something.

    Ugarte and Amad should hopefully play in this.

    I guess Case could come in to bolster the midfield and maybe changes like Anthony at wing back who's looked half-decent lately, but trying out the likes of Gore and Collyer in this game is way too risky. We need to win.
     
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    "SportBible" have an "exclusive" leak on the Utd squad for tomorrows game.

    In reality, it is just telling us who has been seen travelling

    Anything for clicks these days
     
    jasT1981 said:
    "SportBible" have an "exclusive" leak on the Utd squad for tomorrows game.

    In reality, it is just telling us who has been seen travelling

    Anything for clicks these days
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    Typically Journos will list who was present which always excludes a few, this was a full travelling list confirned from their 'source'.
     
    Bit of a shame it is Spurs would have been nice to give some kids a run out we have a lot of great kids who could do with some 1st team experience
     
    Chaky_Best said:
    We play Bournemouth on Sunday, Wolves next Thursday then Newcastle 4 days after and Liverpool the 5th Jan (after Arsenal etc)

    But to be honest, I would be happy with 3 wins before Pool (even if Newcastle will be tough) so it's our only chance to rotate the team and use this game as a fitness booster for some of the guys.

    I don't see us rotating much after this knowing the period.

    -------------------------------------------------Onana----------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------Yoro----------------Lindelof----------------Evans--------------------------
    Antony---------------------Casemiro-------------Eriksen---------------------------Malacia
    ---------------------------------Garnacho------------Rashford-------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------Zirkzee----------------------------------------------------
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    There’s about a chance of 1 in 100,000 of this been the starting 11 :lol:
     
    Withnail said:
    Until they miss a red card challenge or that a goal was actually offside, as happened tonight.
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    Sooner have the officials in charge of the game than stand there for 5 minutes not having a clue what they're looking at, particularly given they even get them wrong after looking after them 38 times too like happened at West Ham when they then showed the decision to the stadium for everyone to see how clearly wrong it was. Besides, it's a competition where not all of the stadium are set up for VAR, so it's correct that it's not used as it keeps the playing field level throughout - unlike the FA Cup.
     
    JB7 said:
    Sooner have the officials in charge of the game than stand there for 5 minutes not having a clue what they're looking at, particularly given they even get them wrong after looking after them 38 times too like happened at West Ham when they then showed the decision to the stadium for everyone to see how clearly wrong it was. Besides, it's a competition where not all of the stadium are set up for VAR, so it's correct that it's not used as it keeps the playing field level throughout - unlike the FA Cup.
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    The playing field's only level if the refs are consistent and perform to the same standard. They don't so the point makes little sense.
     
    Withnail said:
    The playing field's only level if the refs are consistent and perform to the same standard. They don't so the point makes little sense.
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    Pretty clear that it makes a difference if the officials have the opportunity to consult with VAR in one game in a competition but not in a different game in the same competition. I can see from other posts that you are steadfast in your belief that it makes the game better, until they bring in the technology (which literally fecking exists) that allows things like offsides decisions to be confirmed in a matter of a few seconds, then I will completely disagree. And even then the "subjective offsides" and the hunting for any reason not to give a goal will still cause ridiculous delays and it kills the matchgoing experience because it is absolutely insane that somebody watching on TV half way around the world has a) more of an idea what is happening than somebody inside the ground and b) usually knows the ultimate decision comfortably before somebody inside the ground. Without those two points being fixed, it is not fit for purpose.
     
    JB7 said:
    Pretty clear that it makes a difference if the officials have the opportunity to consult with VAR in one game in a competition but not in a different game in the same competition. I can see from other posts that you are steadfast in your belief that it makes the game better, until they bring in the technology (which literally fecking exists) that allows things like offsides decisions to be confirmed in a matter of a few seconds, then I will completely disagree. And even then the "subjective offsides" and the hunting for any reason not to give a goal will still cause ridiculous delays and it kills the matchgoing experience because it is absolutely insane that somebody watching on TV half way around the world has a) more of an idea what is happening than somebody inside the ground and b) usually knows the ultimate decision comfortably before somebody inside the ground. Without those two points being fixed, it is not fit for purpose.
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    I was being a little facetious in my reply, granted. No it's not fit for purpose and they're actively trying to make it worse so I agree there.

    However, I'm just not sure no VAR is better. The waiting doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother other people though so I struggle to empathise with that perspective. I still celebrate goals anyway, I can't really help myself.

    On the offside thing, the automated system would be quicker but my concern is we go back to toenail offsides when that comes in, supposedly in 2025. To be honest ones like Jesus's tonight I'm ok with. His feet were basically level with the defensive line. The whole offside thing needs a rethink in my book anyway.
    I'm not really sure disallowing a goal when it's very marginal one, because one player is leaning towards goal and the defenders aren't, are really in the spirit of why the law was brought in. There can be some what look like ridiculous decisions to me, for example when a player is called offside because he's closer to the end line, while near the corner flag, than a number of defenders who are in the penalty box. There's no real advantage to the attacker in that scenario at all.

    It's all PL teams in the quarters though so I'm not sure why they can't use it.

    EDIT: But not really the thread for this.
     
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    Mad to think we will arguably be underdogs for the cup if we get to the semis. Could argue we already are given who is left.
     
    Withnail said:
    I was being a little facetious in my reply, granted. No it's not fit for purpose and they're actively trying to make it worse so I agree there.

    However, I'm just not sure no VAR is better. The waiting doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother other people though so I struggle to empathise with that perspective. I still celebrate goals anyway, I can't really help myself.

    On the offside thing, the automated system would be quicker but my concern is we go back to toenail offsides when that comes in, supposedly in 2025. To be honest ones like Jesus's tonight I'm ok with. His feet were basically level with the defensive line. The whole offside thing needs a rethink in my book anyway.
    I'm not really sure disallowing a goal when it's very marginal one, because one player is leaning towards goal and the defenders aren't, are really in the spirit of why the law was brought in. There can be some what look like ridiculous decisions to me, for example when a player is called offside because he's closer to the end line, while near the corner flag, than a number of defenders who are in the penalty box. There's no real advantage to the attacker in that scenario at all.

    It's all PL teams in the quarters though so I'm not sure why they can't use it.
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    See, we have toenail offsides now still, they just take 3/4 minutes to get to a decision. If that decision was almost immediate, and based on a full recreation rather than drawn lines, I don't think there would be nearly as many issues with it. Ultimately offside is a clear rule where you are either on or off, and it doesn't really matter if it's 6mm or 6m as long as the decision is correct. The main issue people have is that delay in coming to the decision.

    And I go the other way re the waiting, I can't see how it wouldn't bother someone. Do you go to games where VAR is used? I'm not trying to be a dick with that question, just wondering if it's something you've experienced inside the stadium, where you're completely in the dark as to what is happening for several minutes. At least when watching on TV the commentary teams can hear what the VAR are discussing so you're aware of what is happening which does pass the time quicker than just staring at the players standing on the pitch asking the ref what's happening. If you have experienced it and it doesn't bother you fair enough, that's just not the case for me and pretty much everyone I go with.
     
    lsd said:
    He's sick and hasn't trained but expect four million more stories about this now and none mentioning he's sick
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    Do you really believe this? I doubt it.

    He trained on Sunday as well before the game.
     
    We will make quite a statement if we win this. The scalp of City and Tottenham. Let's go for it!
     
    JB7 said:
    Pretty clear that it makes a difference if the officials have the opportunity to consult with VAR in one game in a competition but not in a different game in the same competition. I can see from other posts that you are steadfast in your belief that it makes the game better, until they bring in the technology (which literally fecking exists) that allows things like offsides decisions to be confirmed in a matter of a few seconds, then I will completely disagree. And even then the "subjective offsides" and the hunting for any reason not to give a goal will still cause ridiculous delays and it kills the matchgoing experience because it is absolutely insane that somebody watching on TV half way around the world has a) more of an idea what is happening than somebody inside the ground and b) usually knows the ultimate decision comfortably before somebody inside the ground. Without those two points being fixed, it is not fit for purpose.
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    Of course somebody watching a sporting event on twenty screens from twenty angles will have a better idea what happened/what decision should be taken than someone sat in the stands. That will always be the case. That's not the issue at all. The issue is they don't follow their own rules consistently and put their mates ego and reputation above the integrity of the game.
     
    City vs Tottenham = 0 - 4
    City vs United = 1 - 2

    Therefore
    Tottenham vs United = 4 - 2

    Maths.
     
    He should rest players here so I am going with a second string team here.


    Onana

    Yoro Evans Lindelof
    Antony Casemiro Eriksen Malacia
    Rashford Garna
    Zirkzee

    We need to rest the players so they are fresh for Bournemouth, I don't think we can easily beat them, so let's use the whole squad, I feel direct players like Garna and Rashford will prefer someone like Zirkzee who prefers to drop deeper and play them into space
     
    OmarUnited4ever said:
    He should rest players here so I am going with a second string team here.


    Onana

    Yoro Evans Lindelof
    Antony Casemiro Eriksen Malacia
    Rashford Garna
    Zirkzee

    We need to rest the players so they are fresh for Bournemouth, I don't think we can easily beat them, so let's use the whole squad, I feel direct players like Garna and Rashford will prefer someone like Zirkzee who prefers to drop deeper and play them into space
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    Rashford isn’t in the team surely you heard something?
     
    red_de_pologne said:
    He said Garnacho trained well and is in the team and Rashford was "sick yesterday". Safe to assume he won't be anywhere near the squad.
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    Oh yeah I just saw that I haven't checked the news in the last 24hrs because ironically I am sick as well :lol:.

    So then Rashford is out, will adjust my lineup prediction
     
    After watching the pregame presser you wonder if the journalists asking questions even care about football at all.

    They all would be a better fit writing about Paradise Hotel. What a joke.

    Amorim even starts to laugh. He will regret that, now the morons will find new ways of getting to him.

    I would love for him to just go on and be a mega success, cause then they can’t touch him. Fergie owned every single one of them.

    Regarding the game, would love to see Yoro dominate. Getting his self confidence up and getting in feel at home would be a major boost.
     
    Desert Eagle said:
    Of course somebody watching a sporting event on twenty screens from twenty angles will have a better idea what happened/what decision should be taken than someone sat in the stands. That will always be the case. That's not the issue at all. The issue is they don't follow their own rules consistently and put their mates ego and reputation above the integrity of the game.
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    Way to completely miss the point, that's actually quite impressive.
     
    JB7 said:
    See, we have toenail offsides now still, they just take 3/4 minutes to get to a decision. If that decision was almost immediate, and based on a full recreation rather than drawn lines, I don't think there would be nearly as many issues with it. Ultimately offside is a clear rule where you are either on or off, and it doesn't really matter if it's 6mm or 6m as long as the decision is correct. The main issue people have is that delay in coming to the decision.

    And I go the other way re the waiting, I can't see how it wouldn't bother someone. Do you go to games where VAR is used? I'm not trying to be a dick with that question, just wondering if it's something you've experienced inside the stadium, where you're completely in the dark as to what is happening for several minutes. At least when watching on TV the commentary teams can hear what the VAR are discussing so you're aware of what is happening which does pass the time quicker than just staring at the players standing on the pitch asking the ref what's happening. If you have experienced it and it doesn't bother you fair enough, that's just not the case for me and pretty much everyone I go with.
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    They brought in thicker lines and a margin of error to prevent really tight ones from being given as offside. When I've seen Hawkeye in action, it's been literally the tip of someone's toes that was ahead of the defender so it'll be interesting to see how they implement. Perhaps that's it needs so much testing, if they're implementing a bespoke solution.

    No I've not been over for a game in a few years, but a lot of people who only watch on TV also complain about the delays which is what I was referring to. That is a fair point though, it's crap for match going fans. I'm still baffled as to why they didn't make sure every ground had a big screen when it was implemented or why the refs weren't mic'ed up. But treating fans like idiots and hiding the reasons behind their decision-making seems to be par for the course for the refs.
     
    I disagree with a lot of posters on here in that I think Ruben (as well as Ange for Spurs), will go very strong for this one. A win would be a huge boost for either side.
     
    Desert Eagle said:
    If you don't want someone to respond to something you posted then don't include it in your post.
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    You completely missed the point. Obviously the TV will show multiple angles and you will hear the commentators discussing what has happened. No issue with that whatsoever. However inside the stadium you are stood with no idea whatsoever what is being looked at, a goal is scored and we just wait, sometimes it is obvious such as a clear offside or if there has been an obvious foul; many other times it is not obvious at all and you are just stood there waiting, with no real idea of what you are waiting for. Nobody tells you what is being looked at. It is wrong that I can be at the game and pull my phone out after the games been stopped for 2 or 3 minutes in front of me, text a mate asking what is being looked at and get a response telling comfortably before we are actually told inside the ground, I'm not really sure how anyone can defend that.
     
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46.3% 53.7%
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24 40
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