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    EyeInTheSky said:
    I do remember when all the talk of him being the best ref in the league (a good number of seasons ago) and I thought he was utter garbage. What did I miss, did he make a string of excellent decisions one day?
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    Not that I've seen but he seems to get a lot of big games (as his tattoos will tell you!) so must be highly regarded. I've never forgiven him for Vardy/Rafael.
     
    I hope he starts with rashford on the right wing, would love to see this line up:

    -------------------------DDG----------------------------
    Valencia--------Bailly--------Blind----------------Shaw
    ------------------------Fellaini---------------------------
    ---------------Rooney----------Pogba------------------
    Rashford-------------Ibrahimovic--------------Martial

    Would prefer Mkhi or Mata over Rooney but not going to happen, Mkhi probs won't be fit for this game anyway. Just hope he doesn't put Mata on the right, that doesn't work, Rashford should play on the position.
     
    Not entirely related, but...

    MUTV are showing highlights of previous Manchester derbies. Currently watching the 2007/08 one where we played them at the City of Manchester Stadium on the last game of the season with the title sewn up.

    We had a back five that day of VdS, Brown, Heinze, Vidic and Ferdinand. In midfield we had Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes and a fresh Carrick. :drool:

    They had players like Michael Ball, Mpenza, Sun Jihai and DaMarcus Beasley. :lol:

    Their sole tactic that day was to park the bus and kick the shit out of our players, with a notable mention to Ball who stamped on Ronaldo's chest during the opening moments of the game.

    Just goes to show they were a cretinous, bitter team even back then before they struck oil.

    Really interesting to watch.
     
    Looking forward to this game. I would like to see:

    De Gea
    Valencia - Bailiy - Blind - Shaw
    Schneiderlin/Jones - Pogba
    Lingard - Mhkitaryan - Martial
    Zlatan​

    Even though, I doubt we would make so much massive change. A concern I have is in regards to Fellaini performance. Manchester City has a lot of technical gifted players, so brute strength alone would not stop them and a more agile holding midfielder would be preferred. However, sometimes in football logic does not work. As such, I would not be surprised if he has an amazing performance and wins man or the match.
     
    Amadaeus said:
    Looking forward to this game. I would like to see:

    De Gea
    Valencia - Bailiy - Blind - Shaw
    Schneiderlin/Jones - Pogba
    Lingard - Mhkitaryan - Martial
    Zlatan​

    Even though, I doubt we would make so much massive change. A concern I have is in regards to Fellaini performance. Manchester City has a lot of technical gifted players, so brute strength alone would not stop them and a more agile holding midfielder would be preferred. However, sometimes in football logic does not work. As such, I would not be surprised if he has an amazing performance and wins man or the match.
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    Jones in midfield?

    Does that not give you concern?
     
    Amadaeus said:
    Looking forward to this game. I would like to see:

    De Gea
    Valencia - Bailiy - Blind - Shaw
    Schneiderlin/Jones - Pogba
    Lingard - Mhkitaryan - Martial
    Zlatan​

    Even though, I doubt we would make so much massive change. A concern I have is in regards to Fellaini performance. Manchester City has a lot of technical gifted players, so brute strength alone would not stop them and a more agile holding midfielder would be preferred. However, sometimes in football logic does not work. As such, I would not be surprised if he has an amazing performance and wins man or the match.
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    I tend to agree Fighting fire with fire is fine with Fellaini up against physical players but up against tricky slicksters there is danger of getting booked and playing it safe becuase of the fear of being sent off or being sent off full stop. Anyone know how Schneiderlin has done up against city in the past?
     
    Summit said:
    Jones in midfield?

    Does that not give you concern?
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    His role would be strictly defensive, that has him cutting of their supplying line while giving our attacking players more freedom. Having that extra defender who is agile and physical will provide that extra security from their technical players.

    The only concern is that he lacks the technicality to be a midfield, but that element can be complemented with Blind alternating that role who could offer that attribute.
     
    City I have noticed have scored a few goals from set pieces this season, so we would want to watch out for that.

    I would go a 4-3-3. Contain them for the first 15 minutes of each half and then wait for them to make a mistake. Inter Milan versus Bayern Munich when Jose won his second Champions League. Part of the success of that final for Jose was frustrating Bayern, so that eventually they make a mistake and then you pounce like a Viper.
     
    Irrational. said:
    Not entirely related, but...

    MUTV are showing highlights of previous Manchester derbies. Currently watching the 2007/08 one where we played them at the City of Manchester Stadium on the last game of the season with the title sewn up.

    We had a back five that day of VdS, Brown, Heinze, Vidic and Ferdinand. In midfield we had Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes and a fresh Carrick. :drool:

    They had players like Michael Ball, Mpenza, Sun Jihai and DaMarcus Beasley. :lol:

    Their sole tactic that day was to park the bus and kick the shit out of our players, with a notable mention to Ball who stamped on Ronaldo's chest during the opening moments of the game.

    Just goes to show they were a cretinous, bitter team even back then before they struck oil.

    Really interesting to watch.
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    Sorry to be pedantic, wouldn't that be the 06-07 season and we played city after we lost to Milan 0-3 in the semis second leg and had to get a draw at City to almost win the title?
     
    I saw Claudio Bravo today walking around Manchester city center. I think he spotted me noticing him, plus I got a a bit excited and said to my brother there's Claudio Bravo and I think he heard me. Wonder if he will play on Saturday?
     
    Hugh Jass said:
    City I have noticed have scored a few goals from set pieces this season, so we would want to watch out for that.

    I would go a 4-3-3. Contain them for the first 15 minutes of each half and then wait for them to make a mistake. Inter Milan versus Bayern Munich when Jose won his second Champions League. Part of the success of that final for Jose was frustrating Bayern, so that eventually they make a mistake and then you pounce like a Viper.
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    To me it looks as though Mourinho has had the squad working on set pieces which goes some way to calming any raw nerves picked up over the last few years. But it's still going to be a tense game for sure.

    I'm reading that last bit in an LVG accent whilst imagining a viper pouncing on it's prey :lol:
     
    Great...not only is it 6:30am local time, it's the same time as the remnants of hurricane Isaac Newton is passing over.
     
    Organic Potatoes said:
    Great...not only is it 6:30am local time, it's the same time as the remnants of hurricane Isaac Newton is passing over.
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    6:30am? Where are you in the US? I am in NY and it should be 7:30am. Disgusted as my buddies won't be able to join me with beers for the game at home :(.
     
    Gasolin said:
    6:30am? Where are you in the US? I am in NY and it should be 7:30am. Disgusted as my buddies won't be able to join me with beers for the game at home :(.
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    Oklahoma. The sports bar that hosts the local fan-club will open early for us, but it'll be a tough slog if there's flash flooding...and I recently cut the cord with cable...great timing, that...
     
    Sigma said:
    I think I'm going to miss the game because of a train - that kinda rhymes my sentence is so fine
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    It's a shame, downright insane, you're going to miss the game because of one stupid train. If you had a brain (no offence) you'd probably catch a plane to see Rashford come on and win it for us again. :p
     
    Amadaeus said:
    His role would be strictly defensive, that has him cutting of their supplying line while giving our attacking players more freedom. Having that extra defender who is agile and physical will provide that extra security from their technical players.

    The only concern is that he lacks the technicality to be a midfield, but that element can be complemented with Blind alternating that role who could offer that attribute.
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    It makes no sense considering Jones has never played there at all. Why play a defender over an actual midfielder?
     
    eggwithsideburns said:
    I saw Claudio Bravo today walking around Manchester city center. I think he spotted me noticing him, plus I got a a bit excited and said to my brother there's Claudio Bravo and I think he heard me. Wonder if he will play on Saturday?
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    Stamp?
     
    Just did the BBC starting 11 between the two sides thing, and came up with this

    De Gea
    Valencia - Kompany - Blind - Shaw
    KdB - Gundogan - Pogba - Martial
    Zlatan - Aguero​

    Is this ridiculously biased or do we think only 4 City players would get in our side?
     
    MartialsBeard said:
    Mlhitaryan seems to be working hard towards getting fit for the game, In all honesty I can see him missing it which may be a blessing in disguise.

    Smalling, Is he even injured? I had no idea, I thought he was just being brought back up to match fitness.

    Valencia is completely 100% fit but he lands the night before the game, I suspect he will indeed start but will likely come off earlier.

    Fellaini is completely fit and ready to play, he started last night for Belgium.

    Now I want to make a case for a young 18 year old striker starting.

    Ive been looking at some Pep games from when he was undone at Bayern and Barca, we need clinical pace, thats how you beat his teams.

    Madrid took his Bayern apart as did Barca all on the counter, all extremely quickly and with clinical pace. In my mind we need to load the attacking areas with fast breaking players and extreme clinical finishing.

    Despite what people would have you believe Zlatan is quick, much quicker than people give him credit for. This needs to be our line up:

    DDG
    Valencia-Bailly-Blind-Shaw
    Fellaini
    Mikhitaryan-Pogba
    Rashford-Ibra-Martial
    ​
    Unfortunately Rooney simply will not be dropped as captain, and I think we will see it will be detrimental to the game and we will lose unless the team above plays, for one simple fact, Rooney can not drive forwards with the ball anymore and his first touch stops fast counter attacks in the crucial transition. However Mikhi is precisely that player, quick on the transition, pace to burn and makes clinical incisive passes.

    Rashford has to start he is almost like our Neymar (not getting carried away, a long way to go) but what I mean is, hes always there on the end of things, driving the team forwards with pace and agility and boy can he finish.

    Concerns?

    - Jose starts Mata in the forward left position, there is no point and he will be slow to counter and make the runs needed off the front.

    - City target Bailly, Bailly has been fantastic so far, he has been incredibly composed and bullish but now hes coming up against a team of experienced light footed technical players, I can see them wrong footing him and giving him the slip, he need to watch flying in for challenges in this game or it wont be pretty, Smalling may be a better fit in this game.

    - Rooney will absolutely start, no doubt about it and he will clog up that transition phase and make us muddy in the middle attempting a possession game when we need a quick blistering game.

    The team above we win 3-1, we could lose if Rooney, Mata start as the cloggers in the middle.

    Come on Jose you know you can get this right. I hope he has analysed that Madrid win that Barca win, they both beat Pep teams on the transition and completely put them to bed.
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    There is no point starting Mikh if he is not 100% fit, would be even less of an upgrade than a fit rooney and mata, not too mention lets see how fellaini is like with his back injury recovery, rashford still would be a huge weapon for us in the last 35 minutes of the game, when city are not has fresh and rashford can inject a new dimension into our game. Is rooney a real concern? well considering he has assisted a few of our key opening goals, lets not write off rooney just yet. I would not predict us winning 3-1 if fellaini has just recovered from back injury, Mikh is not 100% fit, fully fit we could give teams the runaround, with the movement and power of pogba, mikh, rashford and martial. But? lets not forget how poor martial has been this season

    Bwuk said:
    Just did the BBC starting 11 between the two sides thing, and came up with this

    De Gea
    Valencia - Kompany - Blind - Shaw
    KdB - Gundogan - Pogba - Martial
    Zlatan - Aguero​

    Is this ridiculously biased or do we think only 4 City players would get in our side?
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    Kompany and Gundogan are always suspect to injury's, would not want those kind of players in my squad, so Bailly replaces Kompany.I would swap Martial for for Mikh, and depends how rashford does this season, he could easily get into that starting 11. The only positions that I would see up for grabs, is? the CB position to partner Bailly, the RB position even though valencia is doing a fantastic job, the CM position to partner Pogba, and the CF position to partner zlaten, as I feel you never know if aguero will be out due to injury, yes he is one of the best strikers in the world, but if he is injury prone its hard to want that kind of player

    Its more like

    DDG
    Valencia bailly blind shaw
    pogba fellaini
    KDB aguero silva
    zlaten

    if we basing it on 3 games so far, this would be the team. And has the season progresses, it would not susprise me if rashford and Mikh add to the starting 11
     
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    What I would like to see:

    ..................De Gea
    Valencia - Bailiy - Blind - Shaw
    .............Fellaini - Pogba
    ....Mhkitaryan- Zlatan - Martial
    .................Rashford

    (Rotation of the front 4)

    What we will see:


    .................De Gea
    Valencia - Bailiy - Blind - Shaw
    ............Fellaini - Pogba
    .......Mata- Rooney - Martial
    ................Zlatan
     
    I don't think we should try and sit back and absorb their attack. I think we should blow them out of the water early catch them cold and make them desperate as the game goes on. Sitting back and letting them settle into a rhythm is asking for trouble, we wouldn't even let a lower league side do that let alone City. Letting them dictate play is exactly what Pep wants.
     
    Bwuk said:
    Just did the BBC starting 11 between the two sides thing, and came up with this

    De Gea
    Valencia - Kompany - Blind - Shaw
    KdB - Gundogan - Pogba - Martial
    Zlatan - Aguero​

    Is this ridiculously biased or do we think only 4 City players would get in our side?
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    Why is Gundogan even in there? He hasn't even kicked a ball for City yet so you don't know whether he is going to be a worldie or a donkey. I would query Kompany too.
     
    Bwuk said:
    Just did the BBC starting 11 between the two sides thing, and came up with this

    De Gea
    Valencia - Kompany - Blind - Shaw
    KdB - Gundogan - Pogba - Martial
    Zlatan - Aguero​

    Is this ridiculously biased or do we think only 4 City players would get in our side?
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    I think Silva would be in my team for sure. Gundogan and Kompany when fit (which is not often) are both excellent players but I'd also find a place for Bailly based on the four games so far in a United shirt.
    It is a tough one but you could get an awesome 18 out of the combined squads that's for sure.
     
    Bwuk said:
    Just did the BBC starting 11 between the two sides thing, and came up with this

    De Gea
    Valencia - Kompany - Blind - Shaw
    KdB - Gundogan - Pogba - Martial
    Zlatan - Aguero​

    Is this ridiculously biased or do we think only 4 City players would get in our side?
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    Same as you but had sagna , micky instead of gudongen and Bailly instead of Kompany (biased admittedly!)
     
    The red panther said:
    Scholes can do one. He also said There are only 3 good players in the PL and they all play for City (kevin, Silva and El cunto). Apparently Pogba and Ibra are trash for him.

    He is massively disrespectful for the current team and his comments really hit a bad nerve with me. Completley uncalled for to say such things right before the derby coming from a player that is regarded as one of the biggest United legends. I think we all liked him a as a player because he actually didn't speak then, since he has started to open his gob, we have heard nothing but shite from him about the club and the league. I don't know what his problem is but he doesn't miss up on any opportunity to belittle and criticise the club. Starting to wonder if he has any respect for the current players, manager and fans at all.

    Lost my respect for him completley
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    Just because he's not saying the things we want to hear, there's not one reason to lose respect for him. Absolute legend, and one of the greatest players I've ever seen. If the guy thinks we're inferior to City, and not World Class talent, it's up to us to prove him wrong and rub on his face.

    I don't think he's belittling the club, but he sure is fed up we the type of football we have played in the past three seasons. I know I've been.

    He's opinions about the club's current state don't disrespect the club. If we only want to hear good things or positive incentives from ex-players on TV, we are as reasonable as the scousers.

    What we can do, I prove him wrong. Very much so.
     
    The red panther said:
    Scholes can do one. He also said There are only 3 good players in the PL and they all play for City (kevin, Silva and El cunto). Apparently Pogba and Ibra are trash for him.

    He is massively disrespectful for the current team and his comments really hit a bad nerve with me. Completley uncalled for to say such things right before the derby coming from a player that is regarded as one of the biggest United legends. I think we all liked him a as a player because he actually didn't speak then, since he has started to open his gob, we have heard nothing but shite from him about the club and the league. I don't know what his problem is but he doesn't miss up on any opportunity to belittle and criticise the club. Starting to wonder if he has any respect for the current players, manager and fans at all.

    Lost my respect for him completley
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    It's not like Scholes is someone like fecking Hargreaves is he? he's a legend and he loves the club. Rather he says something positive or negative, you know he's speaking from the right place, not from bitterness as he has no reason to be.
     
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