Jet lag may also be a factor to consider though.
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Manchester United 1:2 Manchester City
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Ecuador play Wednesday and think he'll be back in Manchester Thursday (like Rojo and Romero) - so will only be available to train Friday. To me at this point there isn't much instructions Valencia should get and he is in incredible shape and even with the travel - at this point I'd trust him to do a job on Sterling over Darmian.
Hopefully they can mitigate the effect somehow, it's only 5/6 hours difference I think.Why is everyone so confident we would beat City? I know we are favourites because we are at home and Aguero is out but I don't think we will win this. Mourinho has an inferiority complex against Guardiola and the last time we went head to head with City with us both in great form and us as favourites/home, we lost 1-6. I predict a 0-5, 1-5 result to City.
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What? We are United. Even when we were terrible nobody was predicting 5 goal defeats. It will be a close game. We have a lot more character in our team nowI've never been this excited before a United v City game beforeReddevilboy got his attention.
Are you Paul Scholes?
Interesting spin. I'd be keen to see what Scholesy has actually said.
Scholes can do one. He also said There are only 3 good players in the PL and they all play for City (kevin, Silva and El cunto). Apparently Pogba and Ibra are trash for him.
He is massively disrespectful for the current team and his comments really hit a bad nerve with me. Completley uncalled for to say such things right before the derby coming from a player that is regarded as one of the biggest United legends. I think we all liked him a as a player because he actually didn't speak then, since he has started to open his gob, we have heard nothing but shite from him about the club and the league. I don't know what his problem is but he doesn't miss up on any opportunity to belittle and criticise the club. Starting to wonder if he has any respect for the current players, manager and fans at all.
Lost my respect for him completley
Interesting spin. I'd be keen to see what Scholesy has actually said.
Feck off. Why has Scholes turned into such a media whore!? he would be useful on a training field coaching kids.. but he chooses this way. Sad.
Pep will do something shocking in his line-up, he always does for the big-games.. he loves the media hailing him as a "genius" so will probably put Sterling at right-back or play with 2-at-the-back to have the media wanking over him.
How can you be a Utd fan with this attitude, it's a pathetic and weak minded comment.
Jose Mourinho will not allow his team to be has inept to let that happen, pep is not taking over some great team, so its going to be a tight game. Pep had one of the greatest teams ever during 2008-11, so he had everyone's number, go look at his time at Bayern Munich especially in europe, I wonder how this turned out in 2014. Not many ever highlights pep's sinking against Bayern and Real Madrid
Pep's teams have always been susceptible to quick counters, i have noticed the English press have been going insane for the fullbacks joining central midfield but they don't have a Lahm or an Alves , just two half decent fullbacks who are slightly better going forward than defending. For me Rashford is a must start, i genuinley think our pace can hurt them, people are expecting City to control the game possession wise etc but personally i am not so sure of that , and it has to be effective possession, i think it will only be lacks in concentration that will effect us on Saturday. Be interesting to see if Mourinho changes tactics , personel or formation for this, i also think Stones can be got at . He's good but for someone considered a ball playing centre back he is still dozy at times.
Its big for sure, but not that big.
Messi Vs Ronaldo, Neymar vs Bale, two teams with actual history and a deep routed rivalry. Ours is like we have the history and prestige, they have the money. So its not as historic or magnificent. It will be big though.What are the fitness updates on Valencia, Smalling, Fellaini and Mkhitaryan?
Mlhitaryan seems to be working hard towards getting fit for the game, In all honesty I can see him missing it which may be a blessing in disguise.
Smalling, Is he even injured? I had no idea, I thought he was just being brought back up to match fitness.
Valencia is completely 100% fit but he lands the night before the game, I suspect he will indeed start but will likely come off earlier.
Fellaini is completely fit and ready to play, he started last night for Belgium.
Now I want to make a case for a young 18 year old striker starting.
Ive been looking at some Pep games from when he was undone at Bayern and Barca, we need clinical pace, thats how you beat his teams.
Madrid took his Bayern apart as did Barca all on the counter, all extremely quickly and with clinical pace. In my mind we need to load the attacking areas with fast breaking players and extreme clinical finishing.
Despite what people would have you believe Zlatan is quick, much quicker than people give him credit for. This needs to be our line up:
DDGUnfortunately Rooney simply will not be dropped as captain, and I think we will see it will be detrimental to the game and we will lose unless the team above plays, for one simple fact, Rooney can not drive forwards with the ball anymore and his first touch stops fast counter attacks in the crucial transition. However Mikhi is precisely that player, quick on the transition, pace to burn and makes clinical incisive passes.
Valencia-Bailly-Blind-Shaw
Fellaini
Mikhitaryan-Pogba
Rashford-Ibra-Martial
Rashford has to start he is almost like our Neymar (not getting carried away, a long way to go) but what I mean is, hes always there on the end of things, driving the team forwards with pace and agility and boy can he finish.
Concerns?
- Jose starts Mata in the forward left position, there is no point and he will be slow to counter and make the runs needed off the front.
- City target Bailly, Bailly has been fantastic so far, he has been incredibly composed and bullish but now hes coming up against a team of experienced light footed technical players, I can see them wrong footing him and giving him the slip, he need to watch flying in for challenges in this game or it wont be pretty, Smalling may be a better fit in this game.
- Rooney will absolutely start, no doubt about it and he will clog up that transition phase and make us muddy in the middle attempting a possession game when we need a quick blistering game.
The team above we win 3-1, we could lose if Rooney, Mata start as the cloggers in the middle.
Come on Jose you know you can get this right. I hope he has analysed that Madrid win that Barca win, they both beat Pep teams on the transition and completely put them to bed.Mata cannot start on the right.
If Miki is fit then start him on the right. Rashford from the bench, unless Miki is unfit then him or Lingard to start on the right.Hope we start with below attack,work rate of Rashford/Lingard would be immense,plus the perfect set up for counter attack.Rooney can't be dropped and Martial to come as sub
-Rashford-----Ibra-------Lingard
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Shaw----Blind--Bailly---Valencia
--------------DDG---------------I'm not usually someone who ever dreams about football, but tonight I did. It was United vs City at Old Trafford, red vs blue. The game was intense and was headed for a draw. We were pushing for a late goal. An attempt from Pogba was cleared off the line and we got a corner. Ronaldo was suddenly back and playing for us. He rose to meet the corner and directed a powerful header across the defenders and the GK and into the far corner. Total joy.
I actually woke myself up by screaming YEEEEESS and pumping my fists.
A good sign? I can't wait for this game.
Thanks for the update.
Must say, though I share a few concerns about Rooney, he has had a good start to this season and fully deserves to play.
Likewise, Im very surprised and bit bemused at how Mikhitaryan is rated so highly. although its not his fault that he has yet to properly feature, he has done nothing on a United shirt to be worthy of such praise or expectation. Its a catch 22 situation for him but until he has consistently proven himself, he is not a 1st XI player.
He was excellent in the 30 minutes against hull and alongside Rashford they changed the game in our favour adding so much more pace and dynamism. Also it's unfair to say that you can't judge players based on what they have done at other clubs, otherwise we wouldn't be playing Pogba either. Mkhitaryan is highly rated because he has earned that right over his career and I can't imagine we signed him not to be a starter. He rightfully has high expectations surrounding him as every single Utd player should expect but he will have even more considering he's a new and expensive acquisition.
After the hull game I'm 99% sure he would have started on the right wing in place of Mata against city, but with his injury I'm thinking he might start on the bench now. I'm just hoping that Mourinho sets the team up with enough pace by bringing in either Rashford or lingard because if we play Mata out wide we will struggle.Rooney has had a good start? How? Stats wise maybe...
Mkhi looked good against Hull, way more lively than Rooney could ever be at this point.I think I'm going to miss the game because of a train - that kinda rhymes my sentence is so fineHad a horrible dream City won this quite easily, I woke up frightened, before remembering Jose Mourinho is the manager of Manchester United.
OMG was he in charge of that utter mess?When's the presser for this? I imagine the media are going to ambush him with Rashford questions.Anything can happen in a match in terms of result but I don't get some of the scaredy cats on here. We beat them a number of times with a much weaker side than we have today. I don't think that Pep will be the deciding factor is this match at all.Going for the same team as previous start up's except I'm dropping Mata for Rashford mainly for form and pace.
Don't know why, but i feel Pep has Jose's number when it comes to competing against each other. I am guessing that it either will be a City win or a draw. Would be simply brillaint if United just swat City aside or win. But the team is still gelling around, and even if we do lose, we should be able to climb back up.
I agree completely that Rooney has been essential this season, the issue is it has been against teams that we were expected to beat and whats more set up with the impression that they will be under pressure the entire game.
This game (without giving City too much credit) is another animal all together. Both teams with identical records and City top by a hairs breadth. When Jose joined he mentioned his style is about using the ball effectively in the transition, Rooney is brilliant if you spend most of the time and the game in the attack transition, against City for both teams those transitions become seconds not bunches of 5 min spells.
Its essential that we have players that can recieve, control and distribute or dart forwards in a matter of seconds> the transition. Now Dortmund were the absolute masters and worlds best at doing this last year, and Mhiki was key in that.
So whilst yes you are correct so far we havent seen why he should start, for me it is essential he does above Rooney for the very reason that Rooney has proven over the last few games that he can not play that role any longer.The best way to beat peps possession based sides is to hit them on the counter and I think that's what Mourinho will do so i'd like to see a front 3 of Rashford, Zlatan, Martial so we can break with speed and power while playing a 3 man midfield of Fellaini, Pogba and Herrera to break up play and try and get some level of control in the midfield. The defence picks itself if everyone is fit.
That were he.
I do remember when all the talk of him being the best ref in the league (a good number of seasons ago) and I thought he was utter garbage. What did I miss, did he make a string of excellent decisions one day?
Jesus wept.
lol!
I checked for white text, there was none. So then I was thinking of checking his older posts to see if he was a regular WUM but decided against it because I can't be bothered tbf
Aye, I was going to ask if it was some sort of counter jinx or something. But alas, also cannot be bothered.
I doubt I've ever seen a United fan, seriously, predict us getting a 5 goal thrashing
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Marcus Rashford
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13%
Marouane Fellaini
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Eric Bailly
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Antonio Valencia
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8%
Luke Shaw
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Wayne Rooney
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7%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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David de Gea
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Paul Pogba
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Daley Blind
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