Some people need to stop worrying. The team with Herrera has shown which United team can challenge and beat this City team. Pep's team always have a physical problem after the winter break, and they lose then. Guess what? There's no winter break here. United will pay back. The regret is that this game could have been taken back if Zlatan scores the 2nd one when Lingard gets it and if he's not disturbing Rashford attempt. My day is ruined but again, you take down Pep's teams after the winter break so stop worrying. And if you people have not seen how technical Pogba was and how that, and Herrera's technical skills, have helped us when used properly in the 2nd half, well, I don't know... Maybe I am just a stupid football fan and you're all much smarter. For me, Pogba is already showing why he's so special in his role. He needs to score more but that's only happening if the team is allowing him to player higher up on the pitch.
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They were both on the ball, and at the same time. It's just as much a FK to Bravo as it is a pen for usWhat needs to happen now is we need to keep putting the poorer teams to the sword and find our 100% best team. Jose putting Lingard and Mkhitaryan was strange when we has had Mata and Martial in before. By the Liverpool game in 5 weeks time we need to know our best team and put on a good performance.
I agree with this completely. Considering we just lost i don't strangely feel that disappointed.
The league isn't won or lost on the basis of the results of the top teams against the other top teams. It is consistency against the rest of the league that is important. In that case the more important thing is how we played.
We were crap in the first half and if we had played that way in the entirety I would have been depressed now. But second half we changed things and started playing and it worked. Whats more we finally showed passion and left everything out there on the pitch. We had given ourselves too much to do but there wasn't a massive difference in quality after first 35 minutes.
What I do think we have an issue with is the formation. Herrera was great when he came on, Fellaini is playing well and I just think two in midfield will never get the best game out of Pogba. Especially when playing with Fellaini given neither are defensive. In first half that was where we paid the price.
I also think Rashford needs to be a tactical option rather than back up. Some matches just aren't going to suit Zlatan and I think in games where there is a lot of space behind their back 4 we need someone with more pace to run in behind.
I thought only one in first half who played well was Mhiki and he got subbed but hopefully he gets more games now. Rooney is ok on left or right but can't play number 10. Martial also needs to play. Even low on confidence he still has unique way of making opportunities happen.
Think Jose got this wrong but pleased we have a manager who can see this and make brave changes early enough to at least give us shout of getting back in the game.
Why not that team from the 2nd half, at the beginning of it?
Wayne doesn't catch Bravo, whereas the latter goes in studs up, it's a cruncher of a challenge and a leg-breaker and he does catch him. I've seen far less serious challenges receive red cards.
Get a grip mate. Or at least just walk away from the computer for a bit.
Pogbas excellent - but he won't excell in a 2 man holding pivot role. We expect him to be Robson or Keane, but no one in world football can play that role anymore. You have to be a specialist - attacker or ball winner. He should be played in a role that suits his attacking mindset.
Mhki had some first touches problem today. If fixed yes he made good runs. The thing was that at the first half, besides the formation, there was also this strange situation when players are waiting for the ball instead of "attacking" it to get it first. Probably due to the tactics but it's also a whole mentality / fitness thing. So when you lose that often the ball due to your players waiting for it when the others are taking it back, no quality player can save it. The one who started changing that after 35mn was Valencia, he started winning duels. And then Pogba started winning them too. But you still needed another player and Herrera brings that mentality.
For me Fellaini....took his outstanding form so far into the game. My problem with Rooney is the excellent positions he gets in, does not deliver enough quality. There's was a time Rooney would get into any top team, not anymore
Yes, follow that. I would be in tears if this had been under fat-head but Jose's presser and what I saw, quite relaxed. The penalties were not given but thats not unusual for us. I said Xmas is the time to judge how we stand.
Yes he should be a more advanced midfielder in a 4-3-3. Everyone knows that formation best suits our players but Mourniho insists on sticking with the 4-2-3-1. We changed to 4-3-3 in the second half and played much better but we will be back to 4-2-3-1 next week.
yeah..long ways to go. I thought Rooney had a very decent match. More than tactics...a couple of players let us down badly..Lingard and Mikhi.
City are very good...but they are not certs by a long shot. We would have learned from this. Jose was brave to play 2 in midfield. You just feel if he had not gone for Fellani but Herrera who was terrier we would have got the better of them.
Their defence is not all that though.
And we will be much better going forward.F*ck it anyway - it's just one game out a season & we're a work in progress to dismantle the LvG "Philosophy" shite.
Braggin rights given away of course; but it's not the worst performance overall (last 5-7 mins of 1st half & 2nd half performance), against those shower i've seen, but we probably wont be up against the likes of City's 1st half performance til we meet them again at theirs.
Bravo should have been sent off & us being awarded a peno too; for his 2-footed tackle on Rooney.
Should have subbed Lingard after 20 mins at best - he was a rabbit in the headlights & completely bottled it.
Micki was overwhelmed with the pace of the game & limited time on the ball; but that was his 1st start. It's easier to come off the bench after seeing how the game's goin when you're not used to it, so i wouldnt be too hard on him. The Prem is 100 mph & you dont get time & space alot of the time!
Pogba doesnt look match-fit at all & was a passenger for quite alot of the game.
Bailly was absolutely banjaxxed the last 10/15 mins also & all the travelling from Africa seems to have taken it's toll on him.
Shaw looked off-sorts & lost so many 50/50's like so many of our players. His passing was seriously lacking. You cant put balls into areas where better teams will nick them & that's what happen time & time again.
Rooney, although not spectacular in any shape or form, wasnt our worst player. He's just not the same player from years gone by, but he still tried to put a shift in & get others to do the same.
Fellaini was his natural self in his role & did very well.
My United man of the match was Tony. I thought he was superb in defence & attack, & tried to drive the team forward the whole time when possible & never shirked from a tackle either.
It's a massive kick in the teeth losing - but we've all been here before during Fergie's reign, so there's no need to panic or to get bogged down in a fit of misery.
City will lose games with their dodgy keeper etc. & we could have won that game also, but we could have got whooped too.
Keep yer heads up & concentrate on the bigger picture of it only being 4 games into a 38 game season.
There's plenty of points to be won & lost for every club!
Agree. Meant in first half we looked like we weren't interested in the fight. Was disappointed in Pogba though. Seemed to pass him by a little bit.the one bit of nonsense we need to get rid off is that City are way better. You allow a team like them to play, of course they will play.
Combination of wrong players selected (Lingard and Mikhi) and wrong tactics...which to me was just basic stuff.
Pressing their defence and pushing out instead of playting a player onside. idiotic from Blind.
Like I said. You'll sit back hit long balls up to Ibra and Fellaini and try to score on the counterNo matter what formation or which players we played, our problem was that we started too lacking. City wanted to win every 50% challenge, every City player was committed to it and all of our players looked shocked.
Completely agree with this,and for Pogba to move up score more,Rooney needs to be moved out wide or Jose should stop picking him.Playing with more mobile players in the MF is the best way to counter technically better side like City.
Don't wum you ass.
Bringing in Fernando for the striker was not a defensive move at all. Bravo!
We didn't sit back at all. We were a goal down and played to our strength, i.e height only after Herrera came on mid 2nd half. We threw everyone forward except CBs and Herrera.I am not sure how many games likes this I will be able to stand if this continues all season. For the neutral a great advert of football, but for fans of the teams playing a very stressful experience, particularly as a Utd fan. Great game though & great play from City, & disappointing from us. Mourinho summing it up well, though it certainly wasn't a penalty for handball in second half.
I could understand the changes made before the game & his tactics, as it seemed to bring more pace into the team. Thought Mata was unfortunate to miss out, though Martial had been average in the season so far. Many people had clamoured for Mkhitaryan inclusion as well as Lingard's, & folks you got your wish. Utd were poor in the first half, with numerous players underachieving, but these two were easily the worst, & it was no surprise they were dragged off at the break, & you could see Mourinho wasn't amused. I hope Mkhitaryan is not another Depay. Shaw & Valencia couldn't get forward due to their performances, which certainly improved second half.
Second half we were better & more disciplined, & pressed them better. Bravo was awful, conceding once, making other mistakes, & should have been sent off. Also Guardiolas policy of passing it out of the back was shot to pieces as he was closed down constantly. Surely the rest of the Premiership teams will do the same each game, & it will be interesting how Guardiola copes with that. Our team was also shown not to be so superior & marverlous as many seemed to think. Bailey looked average & our defence was exposed numerously throughout the game. Pogba was also poor & all over the place but not alone, & it told me that all is not quite well at the moment. City could have score many more if they had took all their chances. What the score might have been if Aguero had played I shudder to think.
All in all great City performance, but questions will be asked about Bravo & playing out form the back, & also can they keep this up the whole season, with the effort they put into their games. Utd have lots of problems. Defence needs to be improved, more pace in the side, players need to be committed not half ar*ed, & we are certainly not the finished article by any means, though I expect Mourinho already knew that.
Don't know where I said bringing on Fernando wasn't defensive???? Haha it was exactly that. We were away from home and winning 2-1 against a good side pushing for an equaliser.
You could just admit the truth that you setup defensively in the first half and tried to play counter attacking football... But I doubt you will.
We knew city would have the ball. They are good at passing and pressing. The lineup was not too defensive, rather balanced. Poor performance from Lingard and Mkhitaryan, our only pace to stretch the game, had poor game. So we had to move through the middle where city are strong, Thus balls to Zlatan.
Why play fire with fire when you know there'll be only one winner. Counter-attacking is the way to play against possession teams. And that's not necessarily a defensive tactic.
Well I disagree but thanks for the compliment. I don't think we are that much better than you, plus you were at home. I personally think you'd have had more success if you'd been more attacking, more positive and put us on the back foot which is when our weaknesses show IMO. Personally think Mou got his tactics wrong.really didn't have the luck today to match our poor 1st half performance. could so easily have been 2-2 before HT any other day, and could so easily have been a pen on Bravo too. I do however think that the second half showed Pep's City is far from an invincible juggernaut in defence. Think he has some very questionable players thereLingard and Miki had off games. Unfortunate. We move on.
Really? I think he cost us the gameUse the post match thread.
If the majority of us can see them two won't work then what is the manager thinking. I understand he's just started and not trying to shake things up too much, but unfortunately he really needs to make a hard decision here. It's not like we don't have options as well. Really needs to have a good think about things does Jose.
Yep. You're right. And it'll be ok against Feyenoord and Watford because we'll have enough ball to be able to get away with it. In that case - 4-2-3-1 is fine for us because it will allow us more attacking options and we'll break them down better, but I'd like to see us play 4-3-3- in big games - get nice and compact and hit teams on the counter with our flying machines Mkhitaryan and Martial or Rashford with Pogba behind Zlatan.
Fully agreed. We would be much more effective with Pogba in the number 10 with a combination of Martial/Mkhi/Rashford/Lingard operating on either wing. Rashford/Martial up top if we need that pace in behind the CB's.
Jose is too good a manager to not make a decision and we've seen how much quicker and efficient he has been with making changes.
And we still could have won. City were impressive, but far from unbeatble. They look shaky at the back, very shaky.City have Kompany, Gundogan and Aguero to come back in and already look miles ahead in terms of the quality of football being played and game plan.Great effort from the lads to recover after the opening calamity of the game.
Rashford and Martial showed that peps reams can't handle teams that attack them and go for the kill with fast wingers, that's how his team's get beat.
I think Rooney was the cause of at least one of the goals when we had a man on to get at them but instead he tried a Hollywood ball that got cut out 4 yards from him, how he thought he had the time to do that I dont know. He improved near the end bit the damage as usual was already done.
Shaw was not himself and I think Linguard was not fit which makes Rashford and Martials absence all the more questionable.
Pogba had some fantastic moment's but I can't help but think that if he played where Rooney did that we would have dominated the game for longer spells.
1 goal from a long ball and we got caught slipping. The other goal was fortunate to fall to them after hitting the post and bouncing back , easily could have been offside.
Considering the tactical error in the begging and sloppy positioning and the fact we did not fall apart. We had a couple of open goal tap ins that didn't go our way and city were clinging on and relying on the break.
I have seen enough today to be confident moving forward.
Let's not talk about clatenfeck.I think this is the first time I've seen us lose and this thread not go into complete melt down. Classy.
Well it would appear your correct. A knock on your arm makes you loose all ability to look like a footballer- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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14%
Marcus Rashford
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13%
Marouane Fellaini
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12%
Eric Bailly
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10%
Antonio Valencia
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8%
Luke Shaw
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8%
Wayne Rooney
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7%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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4%
David de Gea
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1%
Paul Pogba
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1%
Daley Blind
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Score Predictions
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- Man Utd win
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- Draw
Detailed Results
- 32% Man Utd 2:1 Man City
- 13% Man Utd 2:0 Man City
- 12% Man Utd 1:1 Man City
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- 8% Man Utd 3:1 Man City
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- 3% Man Utd 3:0 Man City
- 2% Man Utd 5:0 Man City
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- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Man City
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- 0% Man Utd 0:5 Man City
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Match Stats
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- Shots
- 14 18
- Shots on Target
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- Corners
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- Fouls
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