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Everton 0:3 Manchester United
Goodison Park
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- Sat, 17 October 2015 @ 3:00pm BST
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Remember this?Recent form and our history at Goodison considered - I'd say 2-1 to Everton or a 2-2 draw.
Rooney will play and Rooney will stink the place up. He'll last the 90 though - good lad that he is.
Seriously will beginning to lose patience with LVG over this issue.
We break records
was the 0-1 in 11.12 right after that derby failure?Fellaini to bully the shit out if them!
Same. Almost always these fixtures are early kickoffs on Sunday. Or that's how I remember it.
Since you know it'll happen, I think you can start losing patience now.When's the presser?
The state of me during that 2nd half only to look back with sheer joy.
YesI posted a match preview last year from Grand Old Team poster Chocoazul. Always a good read so here is this years one.
Back to it then. That weekend thing we do where sometimes it’s great and sometimes it’s not so great and your other half resents Everton for turning you into a manic weirdo. Maybe.
Maybe weekends would be better – at your age – whatever your age is – without this magnifier of your emotions.
Maybe I’m chatting utter tripe so let's talk togger.
Derby day came and went. A lingering sensation of missed opportunity was the overall consensus as a very average and ridiculously expensively assembled Liverpool side done a good number on us in the first half but second half their arse went as they realised they were on the pitch against much better players. So Everton didn’t give them the humping that they would us if the shoe was on the other foot, as it has been too many times before.
Still that’s progress right? The worst news was the sacking the following day of solid Evertonian idol Rodgers. Oh my God they killed Brenny. You bastards.
I’m sure he’ll turn up sometime soon but there was something tremendous about having the bad texan leading them for a few years and their legion of biffs hanging off every carefully scripted word. He further compounded the club as a figure of fun for wider footballing world and for that we should be grateful. He also over saw the second greatest footballing moment after Michael Thomas in 1989 with the Make Us Dream movement spectacularly coming apart with a Gerrard slip and a Crystal Palace fightback.
Much to admire about Rodgers, best of luck to him. He was replaced by a freak elongated Ewok with a boss dentist. Hold on tight as they suddenly become more Teutonic than drinking beer with sausage and massacring Slavs. It’s great to see them celebrating luring ex Dortmund managers with a fever they a long time ago reserved for winning cups.
Our second game of shitemonth pitches us against a team that despises them equally as us. But obviously in a more scruffier way of despising. It’s Sky Sports’ Team Of The Millennium arriving at Goodison in Manchester United plc.
It’s at this point where for many years Everton would meekly roll over onto their back and urge a gentle ruffling of our abdomen but there’s been a change in recent years, especially at Goodison where they’ve beat us just once in seven seasons and we have won the last three on the bounce.
Supposed hoodoos and mental blocks are a good thing when you’re not Everton at Elland Road or White Hart Lane so we should celebrate the amount of times we’ve interrupted their choir of gobshite songs of late to stick it right up them. Is there any need for all of that palaver? I thought you were meant to be dead casual and terrace cool? Shut up then and watch the game. UN-I-TED! Except you’re from Kent you ted.
The enemy of our enemy is our friend so it’s in that spirit that I’ll continue with the preview. Besides it’s far more enjoyable being offered out on twitter by 16-year-old City fans when I tear into them for being dull and poorly dressed Mancs.
Louis Van Gaal – with his face containing at least 75% marshmallow - is in his second season at the club and quietly putting together an all round sturdier Man United than he took over from his predecessor. Indeed they were top of the table until the last round of fixtures and getting bigged up, right until an Alexis Sanchez inspired Arsenal hit them harder than a Russian raid on a rebel Syrian stronghold. Quite what their response to that will be is any one’s guess. They do however have a soft centre when prodded appropriately so we must hope for our chief prodders to be on their game this Saturday.
Or they could be pissed off about the whole bumming by Arsenal and systematically rip up right apart. We’ll find out soon enough. It’s a very peculiar season in the Premier League and that top four is not exactly wide open but certainly ajar.
The problem for Van Gaal is the methodical approach he uses for his teams, it’s a long way from the cavalier style the fan base was used to for a good twenty years under Ferguson. It will end eventually with Giggs putting the knife in his back as Chairmen don’t sack Managers anymore, the fans & media do.
United caused a stir by whacking £38m or £58m (hey what does twenty million pounds matter in footie now?) on that young French lad Martial before the transfer window closed. He’s started his time with them really well with a few goals and some really good finishes, he’s a threat up front that will make a big difference to their success this season as they’ve been lacking those key goals recently that he will bring. Right after John Stone allows him to depart out his pocket of course.
There’s a whole host of players behind him making the magic happen and none more so than Mata who is in that legion of small fashionable attacking midfielders doing all sorts of damage in English football at present.
Rooney of course is one of their best players but seldom does he turn it on against Everton and in the process setting conspiracy theories going. Who knows? He’s getting a load of stick from United fans of late which is a bit rum as he’s nearly their top goalscorer of all time, but they’ve never really took him to their hearts despite all the ace stuff he’s done there. Perhaps it’s because he came into a team with the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Neville still lurking about. Maybe it’s because he’s a bifter smoking scouser. Anyway, if he needed motivation to make a statement of not being over the hill then at a partisan Goodison Park would be a good place as any. Here’s hoping not.
It’s probably the annoying little shitbag Ashley Young who will play wide up front but regardless with if they play three at the back they are set up well to seriously isolate Lukaku and Barkley up front while keeping our full backs pinned back. I reckon I’m bigging them up a bit too much here but it’s habit. They probably don’t even play five at the back any more.
Carrick is back after an injury worry and is the man that makes United tick more than most, and they have some good options alongside him in the under rated Herrera, and Schneiderlin. Or there’s the option of Schweinsteiger which isn’t bad as an option at all, but then a year ago we were bringing Eto’o off the bench so it’s not as daunting as it looks on paper sometimes, or in this instance: on a screen.
Huge emphasis is placed on Van Gaal’s teams at being miserly at the back. Their cause has been helped by Chris Smalling playing really well this season. Argentinian Rojas returns after injury but it is more likely Jones will start there. Their full/wingback/whatever Darmian and potentially Blind are moody as hell and should be targeted by combinations of Spanish and Belgian aceness. I’ll even accept Ivorian, English and Scottish aceness out there as long as it works. In goal they have the best keeper in the league in De Gea.
That’s your Manchester United. You scared? Me neither.
Everton are boosted by a few returning players from injury and suspension this weekend which, with a few more very soon to come, gives a good indication of the depth in the squad at the moment. Depth is all good and fine but we need to hit regularly on a varying team of eleven in form who will win key games like this.
Winning games requires goals and Lukaku is the man for that particular job. He’s having a hot and cold season in terms of performance but utterly bladdering the net throughout. His performance in the derby was as complete as I’d seen from him and hopefully the penny drops that he can terror any defence out there as and when he likes.
Helping matters is Ross Barkley who thanks to the last international break has now been hyped by a nation of café attacking bellends who will want him sold in the summer. Barkley is looking sublime though and my Everton experience is all the better for it.
I really haven’t got a clue who will play out wide as demonstrated by the nationality-off a couple of paragraphs above. Martinez could play it tight and competitive or unleash all sorts of attacking on United’s wings. Or maybe sensibly a mix. Mirallas is back after a self-imposed daft suspension and has some catching up to do to back up that excitement we had over him signing a new contract. He usually does a job against United so I’ll expect at least a sub appearance at some point. He really needs a run of games where he shows what he is more than capable of, it’s overdue.
Barry and McCarthy, the fantastic freckle, in midfield. What else you expecting?
It’s pleasing to see the young lids doing well, with Galloway and Browning doing themselves justice at being selected through this run of games. Mori has been an unexpected bonus looking like a proper defender although there will obviously be tribulations for him to overcome in time.
All in all though it’s looking good at the back and with a lot of young talent that will hopefully only get better and not get sold to Chelsea. Speaking of which John Stones is back for this along with Coleman on the right. Jagielka became the first Everton player to captain England while playing for Everton which is a staggering statistic but well deserved as he’s been excellent for a long while now. Tim Howard will play in goal and by “in goal” I mean literally glued to his goal line for most balls played into his six yard box.
That just about wraps it up. Three consecutive home victories over United has taken some hard work but been very enjoyable indeed. It usually involves a raucous Goodison and Everton slamming into every challenge like their life depends on it.
Such things make for good weekends. Let's hope this is another.
Into these blues.We could be 8th if we lose this and other results don't go our way. If that happens, I won't be here for weeks.
Or we could be top. Keep supporting regardless instead of running away.I think we'll be well up for this after that embarrassment at the Emirates, but Everton's form and our record there make me think we'll draw this (which, depending on the result in the derby, I'd be happy with).
Rooney and Memphis probably deserve to be dropped, but due to Rooney's captain status and the injury to Young, they'll both start. Hopefully LvG learns that you can't play Carrick and Schweinsteiger together in away games like this where the opposition will chase you down and expose the space with pace where possible. Everton will definitely try their best to start fast like Arsenal.
De Gea
Valencia Smalling Blind Darmian
Schweinsteiger Schneiderlin
Mata Rooney Memphis
Martial
Jones or Rojo will probably get a sub appearance, along with Herrera and big Fellaini when we're chasing the game.
2-2.
I just see more disappointment tomorrow in the way teams can get at us, we are well short at the back and upfront, God knows what combination VG will play. Going into the season was always a risk on how short we were in terms of our lack of potency in attack, and at the back having blind has our first choice CB will catch us out, which has happened a few times. To win the league, blind and smalling is not a championship winning pairingI'd like to see a combination of players playing in their best positions and those out of form dropped.
De Gea
Darmian
Smalling
Jones
Blind
Morgan
Bastian
Fellaini
Young
Martial
Mata
Young is injured.
lol yes. I remember I had exam on Monday and with half time score at 3-0 and Everton being dire back then, I switched off and went for study. When I checked again, it was 3-3!
Love his sarcasm at the end.
Last edited:Easily one of my least favorite games of the season. Always seem to struggle and our slow possession game is just asking to be exploited by Everton's pacey counter attacks.
If we set up with a 3 man Midfield I think we'll get something out of the game. If it's a 2 man midfield of any form (especially the Schweini/Carrick Axis) then I think we'll really struggle.
I think I'd do something along these lines (Would've probably included Valencia/Young in there somewhere but they're injured):
--------------DDG---------------
Darmian-Smalling-Jones-Blind
---------Schneiderlin-----------
---Herrera---Schweinsteiger--
Mata-------------------Memphis
-----------Martial---------------
But of course our illustrious captain will be shoehorned in again and stink the place up against his old club. Can't waitLast edited:If we can't raise our game for this after the thumping last week, serious questions will need to be asked. I'm hopefull we will play better than a lot of people think.
Me too, I feel we can play well tomorrow and if we do we have a good chance at winning. Hope we have a good start to the match this time. I can't remember the last time we scored a early goal, like in the first 5 minutes.
Hope Martial scores again, also I hope that Memphis starts to improve his performances. Anyway I'm excited for the game tomorrow. Stole my joke.Louis Van Gaal Press Conference:
Schneiderlin, Bastian & Herrera please.
Mata on the right, Martial through the middle and since he has to play Rooney on the left
Eh ?? Between the 1995 Cup final and 2010 we only lost once in the league in 2005 home or away , used to be one of the guaranteed 3 points2nd part of the presser was mostly on Rooney
In summer you said Rooney was the main striker, what has changed?
He is the second striker. Our 10 is the second striker. That’s what my preference is, but sometimes I need another type in midfield. So, we have to see if he will continue playing in that way. He can play in different roles.
He hasn’t scored away in the league in nearly a year now? He seems subdued at Goodison?
Maybe just against Everton.It is time,he changes that behavior. That you have to ask Wayne. I’m a manager who analyses opponents and I advise him how he can disorganize them and score. That’s what I am doing, not only for Wayne but other players too and especially more throughout the team tactic that individual tactic.
Is he struggling with his form?
I cannot answer that because he is part of the team and he has scored in the CL.To me who scores is not important, as long as we get the goals. We have scored a lot of goals, now you pick up on individual player and I don’t like that
Is he still an important player?
He is our captain. That’s very important. He is a very important player for me, the players and the club. He’s influence is the biggest amongst the squad.
Is the team making enough chances for him to score?
Yes. I think that we create chances in every game. Also, against Arsenal in the first 20mins we created chances. Spirit in the team is very good. We had chances when we were 3-0 down but we couldn’t score.
Last season against Everton you said the team had lost the game before the game because of the preparation. Was that a one off?
You can never know that. It’s a procedure that starts before the game and that’s what I said at that time. We started well against Everton when you see the match again, you see that we had lots of chances in the first half but you see that they scored from 2 set pieces. Creating chances is fantastic but scoring goals is the biggest influence in a game. And that was against Everton and what I said then was that preparation starts 3 games early in a game. Now we are playing 7 matches in 2 weeks and I do not have so many time to prepare.
With Everton, CSKA and City coming up, will the next few games define Utd’s season and tell you about your players and their character?(I can tell that journalist is a fan of Brenton)
No, I don’t think so. I do know the character of my team. I shall not learn but maybe it shall confirm what I already know. That’s different.
On Schweinsteiger’s injury
Happy that my colleagues didn’t risk Rooney and Schweinsteiger. They could have played the 2nd match but where rested.
Also, Young has a tight calf
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This is not a word to word transcript.I hate this fixture and even though we've just had a two week break I'm sort of dreading it. I think we'll lose but we really need to bounce back.
The team doesn't exist for Wayne Rooney. What is he doing for his teammates?Our record at Goodison is absolutely horrendous, and LVG's style of football will play right into Martinez's hands. I expect we'll dominate possession, and they'll pick us off on the counter. 3-1 Everton.Why do some people want Memphis dropped? He's not going to get better on the bench.
You don't put in a shift defensively you deserve to get dropped. Kid has to stop thinking he is a world star.He gets dropped for not defending in a team people are complaining it's too defensive?
Agreed. I was expecting him to have the impact of Martial, i.e composed, confident in own ability and a real threat. Been very disappointed in his effort.He gets dropped for not defending in a team people are complaining it's too defensive?
An individual not doing his bit defensively isn't good enough no matter how defensive or offensive the overall team set up is. I would drop Memphis because he hasn't shown enough in the recent games, personally.. it's nothing to do with his defensive work for me (albeit that is also bad).
I think Young, at this moment, offers more.A young player in a new league? Benching him does not fix anything, it may even end up ruining him. I will continue to find it hilarious when fans go to transfer forum every summer requesting the club to sign 7-8 players and when season starts, the said "players" are bash and request to be benched after 2 months into the season.Benching for this game would hardly be the end of confidence. I'm not saying he should be benched because I still trust the kid but I definitely understand the other POV.He should be benched, but with Young injured there's really no one else to come in...- Status
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Chris Smalling
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Morgan Schneiderlin
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Anthony Martial
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David de Gea
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Score Predictions
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- Man Utd win
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Detailed Results
- 23% Everton 1:2 Man Utd
- 15% Everton 1:1 Man Utd
- 11% Everton 2:1 Man Utd
- 8% Everton 2:0 Man Utd
- 7% Everton 2:2 Man Utd
- 7% Everton 1:3 Man Utd
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- 4% Everton 3:1 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 1:0 Man Utd
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Match Stats
- Everton
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 47% 53%
- Shots
- 12 10
- Shots on Target
- 3 7
- Corners
- 5 3
- Fouls
- 12 14
Referee
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