He's way too big a risk at that kind of money - max £15M for a player who's only started 27 league games and got 13 goals and doesn't have much to his game except finishing.
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For what it's worth, I wouldn't have minded if we bought Carroll from Newcastle. But not for £35m, or anywhere near that.
£15 million sounds about right. For Carroll.
Is correct.
That's fair enough. Nothing will be proven til we see him playing for Liverpool - the signs are positive for them though.
That's a pretty fecking good return
He's very young, fast as feck, a cracking finisher and has a good brain. If Fergie caught him bumming his racehorse and put him on the market tomorrow, Real would bid 25 mil easy and City would probably bid 50.
His goals in the WC alone add about £10 million to any potential fee.
But that's really not true though is it.
Only 6 players moved for £20m or more in 2010 and 4 of those were to Man City.
Only 6 decent/good players moved clubs in 2010. The rest are rubbish.
Yep that's true, noone really knows if he's worth the fee yet. Judging from purely what we've seen you can understand why people are taking the piss though.
I just think the massive money like that either has to go on sure fire world class talents like Rooney and Fabregas or already proven world class players. Carroll doesn't fit in either catergory.
I love that you've just decided your point is sensible when it's completely subjective (i.e. has very little objective proof) and would be strongly contested by a huge amount of people United fans aside.
Liverpool might have overpaid for a bunch of okish/average players but they'll make the team improve in some way.I just don't know if it'll be enough to finish in the top 4 which is the key to attracting better players.
Overpaid english players seems to be their m.o
Overpaid english players seems to be their m.o
You didn't need to be a managerial genius to spot the potential of Ferdinand & Rooney. All you needed was a big cheque-book, & the ability to blow other clubs out of the water financially.
Paying over £20 million for a young Brazilian lad who'd only had 37 games under his belt playing for Gremino & Porto. Now that's paying for potential. & to think United fans are criticizing Liverpool for paying a similar amount for a young lad who's actually shown some promise in The Premiership.
Some crazy people on this thread.
I think if you asked most people on the universe who had the higher ceiling - Welbeck or Carroll, most would side with the latter, to be fair.
So, because United have over-paid for players, United fans can't question other clubs' spending?
Ok...
And for the record, I'd pay more for Anderson than for Henderson, if that were the players you referred to.
What would that prove?
For a start, most people in the universe has never heard of Welbeck.
A "similar" amount?
Dear god. You're either on a wum or you need to be sectioned.I think Redman was referring to Henderson because even he wouldn't attempt to defend the insane fee that was paid for Carroll.
For what?
Went for similar fees really. An interesting argument would be to determine whether Rooney has been worth his £27m.
How would that be "interesting?"
A pointless argument.
Are you trying to suggest that a player that has been a key player for a club that has won 4 league titles and one CL + two other final appearances, has not been owrth the money?
Depends if you like football or not really.
It is not in question, unless you are some kind of hat eating, miracle 'tard.
You're right, I was referring to Henderson. But seeing as you mention it, & having the advantage of retrospect on my side. After 4 years at the club, I think it's fair to say that Anderson certainly hasn't lived up to his hefty price-tag. Therefore, not having the advantage of foresight, it's only right & proper that you give our big Geordie lad 3 or 4 years before deciding whether or not we've got value for money.
I would say that 102 goals in 217 games, a PFA young player of the year award, a PFA player of the year award, 70 English caps, voted Best England player twice, 4 Premier league titles and a Champions league medal would dictate that yes, he was worth more than we paid for him
unlike your favorite L'pool players
Fabregas has won very little since arriving at Arsenal. Was he worth the money?
Are you trying to suggest that a player that has been a key player for a club that has won 4 league titles and one CL + two other final appearances, has not been owrth the money?
What on earth are you on about?
I won't bother with you then. As soon as I make some kind of point you'll do your usual 'oh you support Liverpool' joke. Pointless.
Given that he cost feck all then I'd have to say yes.
What a team has won since a player arrives at the club does not necessarily mean that the player in question is value for money.
Mackem lad. He'll be offended if you call him a Geordie...
By all means, I'd be grinning if you are still unsure about Henderson in 4 years time
Alastair really is a miracle retard. Remarkable. He's gone from arguing that Carroll is definitely worth 35 million if he scores 25 goals or so for the next few seasons, whilst questioning whether Rooney might be worth 27m despite being almost a certainty to do exactly that (along with being a creative force that a blunt weapon like Carroll will never be, no matter how long he plays the game).
I agree.
But seeing as Rooney has been a KEY player in winning those trophies, it's a daft question.
Alastair is on a WUM right? Right?
Even me who has been one of Rooney's harshest critics think the argument you find interesting is shit.Rooney has been a great signing, well worth the money spent on him