It's not what he deserves because he's joined the biggest club in England and argubaly world football.
...unless I'm missing something?!
Downing to Liverpool?
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...unless I'm missing something?!
Easy to do.
How does signing for you instantly make him better?
Bale, Walcott.... Anymore?
Sorry, I believe I've misunderstood: 'settled down to mid-table mediocrity'.
Well, not a good winger anyway.
I was talking about his level of performance over the last 4 years. In-and-out stuff for a (upper) mid-table club.
Few, if any, players playing for mid-table teams are consistently performing at a high level.
Young will do a decent job for United.
And probably win more trophies than anyone signing for Arsenal
All the players I listed have different strengths and weaknesses. Young has probably the biggest potential (except Lennon) to worry good opposition but has been very inconsistent. Lennon is unplayable on his day but his final ball would make you tear your hair out and 2/5 games he has little impact, and another 2/5 he might as well not be on the pitch.
I agree with that
Wingers are probably the most inconsistent players.
Which is why a lot of teams don't use them. It's no good having a bloke who's great 1 game in 5, mediocre 2 in 5, and non-contributory 2 in 5.
They also have to keep improving, because full-backs work out ways of countering them. Even the best wingers have seasons where it doesn't seem to be working, but then they come back with another trick or more dimensions to their play.
Lennon so far has made this jump twice, as far as I can see - once after leaving Leeds and again the season before last. His main skill remains putting the ball in front of him in just the right spot so the defender has to make a decision about whether to commit himself. When it's working he is as pete said unplayable - he can do his man at will from a standing start. But even then he still doesn't create or score enough.
Young's a classy player but there's nothing he's really brilliant at. He's a clever passer though, so hopefully he'll thrive with top players around him though.
Lennon so far has made this jump twice, as far as I can see - once after leaving Leeds and again the season before last. His main skill remains putting the ball in front of him in just the right spot so the defender has to make a decision about whether to commit himself. When it's working he is as pete said unplayable - he can do his man at will from a standing start. But even then he still doesn't create or score enough.
Young's a classy player but there's nothing he's really brilliant at. He's a clever passer though, so hopefully he'll thrive with top players around him though.
Well you don't either, you played Beckham on the right and now you have Nani and Giggs who are not really wingers either. Valencia's the only guy playing as a vanilla winger and even he does other stuff.
Lennon is not good enough a passer of the ball, and I suspect he isn't intelligent, football-wise.
Just read alastair's post about Questions over Rooney's worth? 
I think the fact that the biggest clubs in Europe would gladly pay an insane amount for Rooney speaks a lot. Though you'd be hard pressed to find any takers for Andy C at 35M.
I think the fact that the biggest clubs in Europe would gladly pay an insane amount for Rooney speaks a lot. Though you'd be hard pressed to find any takers for Andy C at 35M.
Not anymore he isn't. In fact he's a classic example of a player who has adapted his role as the classic touchline-hugging winger has become extinct.
Valencia is about as much of an out-and-out winger as you get
Yeah that seems about right
Not now, not in every game at least. Probably played on the wing 50% of his game last season though. But he's played as a pure winger for the first 15 years of his career!
How do you define a winger?
He's as much of a winger as Milner.
I think Young and Johnson are clearly the most talented of the lot, with Young being the most mature and consistent.
Johnson has the potential to be great but he's a bit of a liablity defensively and a bit too patchy to command a regular spot for City, if he could improve in that aspect he would be ahead of all the others.
Giggs isn't a winger anymore guys, he can play there like Rooney but he is most effective in the center. He had to change his game for obvious reasons.
Johnson is a very clever player, really creative. But then where the feck does he go for half an hour of the game?
Like all wingers, really.
Could have said the same for Giggs in all these years.
I like Johnson, could become a very good player!
That's 30-60min, when he gets subbed. He starts by skinning the fullback on the outside and fires a brainless cross out of play. He then cuts inside to make a shooting chance but screws it wide. He then fades til 29 mins.
Johnson is not very creative. He is not particularly imaginative with his passing, and his footballing brain is quite poor.
However, he has lots of flair and great dribbling technique. Two talents that are rare among many English wingers today.
Nonsense. Sometimes he tries to do too much by himself, but he clearly has a pass and delivery as well as his natural dribbling skills
I find myself surprised by the passes he comes up with more than those of any other player at his level of development.
I'm still undecided on Johnson. He seems a typical modern day run of the mill winger to me. Perfectly capable of doing everything right, but inexplicably chooses to fanny around pretending he isn't a winger for about half of each game, and has no real answer if the fullback gets on top of him early on. The thing is he's still young, and even Ronaldo had to learn to overcome similar issues (though he was blatantly going to be a brilliant footballer at some point).
This is why I love Valencia so much. He's not got the ability or flair of someone like Nani, but you don't get any of the spazzing around. He'll mix it up a bit to keep the fullback guessing, but once he's figured out how to get the better of someone, he's at them constantly.
This is why I love Valencia so much. He's not got the ability or flair of someone like Nani, but you don't get any of the spazzing around. He'll mix it up a bit to keep the fullback guessing, but once he's figured out how to get the better of someone, he's at them constantly.
Carroll's transfer fee was inflated because of his youth, his Englishness, the fact he had recently signed a new contract, his leaving in the January transfer window, and because the type of centre forward he represents is hard to find.
If you are going to sell Torres in the January transfer window, then you have to make an emergency buy to cover the loss in the short term. Chelsea had to overpay for Torres, and Liverpool had to overpay for Torres' replacement.
I don't think it is all about Carroll's goalscoring. The advantage of a big, bruising target man like him is that it creates opportunities for a player like Suarez to play off of Carroll to get his goals. It also helps the team release the ball forward to Carroll. This sort of player is hard to find and costs plenty.
If Carroll had a year left on his contract, in the summer, and if Liverpool already were well supplied in his position, then no way Liverpool would pay that much for him. A thirsty man in the desert will pay whatever it costs for a glass of water.
United on the other hand is well-watered and therefore has the luxury of investing in the future with players like Phil Jones who may not have an immediate impact.
Downing has always seemed to lack pace for me. Or if he has pace as someone in this thread claimed, then he isn't able to use it to beat players one on one often enough. He delivers a nice cross and has goals in him, but he won't scare opponents.
Tottenham will finish ahead of Liverpool as they have blazing speed on the wings in Bale and Lennon, and they have a more balanced team which can build from the back rather than depend on Gerrard to create something from nothing.
If you are going to sell Torres in the January transfer window, then you have to make an emergency buy to cover the loss in the short term. Chelsea had to overpay for Torres, and Liverpool had to overpay for Torres' replacement.
I don't think it is all about Carroll's goalscoring. The advantage of a big, bruising target man like him is that it creates opportunities for a player like Suarez to play off of Carroll to get his goals. It also helps the team release the ball forward to Carroll. This sort of player is hard to find and costs plenty.
If Carroll had a year left on his contract, in the summer, and if Liverpool already were well supplied in his position, then no way Liverpool would pay that much for him. A thirsty man in the desert will pay whatever it costs for a glass of water.
United on the other hand is well-watered and therefore has the luxury of investing in the future with players like Phil Jones who may not have an immediate impact.
Downing has always seemed to lack pace for me. Or if he has pace as someone in this thread claimed, then he isn't able to use it to beat players one on one often enough. He delivers a nice cross and has goals in him, but he won't scare opponents.
Tottenham will finish ahead of Liverpool as they have blazing speed on the wings in Bale and Lennon, and they have a more balanced team which can build from the back rather than depend on Gerrard to create something from nothing.
SSN saying Liverpool have made £15 million bid.
Villa will probably want a bit more than the 15m after losing Young (and half way through last season Milner).
£35m + £20m + £15m + 10£m = £80m.potentially 75 million quid for carroll, henderson, downing, adam.
£20m seems like an awful lot for Downing but I guess Villa are trying to make some sort of profit from selling him.
i hope villa will ask for a few million more for downing
will be more like
£35m + £20m + £20m + 10£m = £85m.