Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

VP89 said:
Mazraoui was a shoe in, given we lost a wingback and needed to put another on.

He chose not to sub a ST for a fullback and subbed his 10 instead. Not exactly cowardly in my books
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People just want to see Garnacho at WB I suppose. Can only assume he's bad at it, considering Amorim never even tried it
 
VP89 said:
Mazraoui was a shoe in, given we lost a wingback and needed to put another on.

He chose not to sub a ST for a fullback and subbed his 10 instead. Not exactly cowardly in my books
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Take out one of CBs - simple. He got lucky they didn't score . If he needed an attacking sub we had no one.
 
hellhunter said:
People just want to see Garnacho at WB I suppose. Can only assume he's bad at it, considering Amorim never even tried it
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The one thing about the players who have played there, including Amad is they can battle. They might not always be very good at it, but the slightest touch doesn’t send them.

Garnacho is either a massive diver/exaggerator, or he’s just got zero core strength.

I wouldn’t want him near the WB positions personally.
 
bond19821982 said:
Take out one of CBs - simple. He got lucky they didn't score . If he needed an attacking sub we had no one.
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Well it's not simple because that's essentially throwing out your primary system that you've engrained in training for the past few months, just because you lost a player.

He had Eriksen if he wanted a playmaker and Chido for legs. But that's neither here nor there, he chose the sub that gave his structure most balance and it worked.

Personally I see the value in keeping Garnacho or Hojlund. The former is a bigger threat and the latter is going to be more of a physical hassle to push the team further up. Maybe he could have put Garnacho in a false 9 but this worked anyway.

It was brave, potentially silly, but certainly not cowardly. And it paid off.
 
Andy_Cole said:


Lego Jose
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He makes a lot of sense when he talks about this stuff (he's almost too open btw). That's basically saying Maguire and De Ligt are good defenders (and both of them are good defenders!) but it's not right for the system. Both of them were good today and were fantastic against Arsenal in a similar set up but the makeup of the squad for how he wants to play is really poor.
 
hellhunter said:
With our current form, does it really matter?
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Resultswise certainly not. Performance wise it might matter. It doesn't to me but I'd be very cautious of potentially drawing wrong conclusions from such a game.

VP89 said:
I agree we have traditionally been quite defensive in this structure but not when it was XI vs XI today and not in the second half vs Everton.
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Not the greatest examples. We didn't create anything of note in those two games. I agree with you - that in itself doesn't mean we were defensively setup because I agree we weren't but I think calling such performances dominant is a bit of a stretch. LVG had tons of possession. Opposition teams were happy to cede it as they knew we wouldn't hurt them with it.

Fracture90 said:
Homeboy the fact that we can have high possession % yet create anything just confirms my point. Only time we are actually even remotely threatening is when we're on the counter.
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I agree with this.

Fracture90 said:
No point in banging heads, everyone and their nan can see that we're very much defensive and the only time we look threatening is on the counter, yet this dude is talking to me about positioning.
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I don't agree with this. You are mixing terms. Just because you don't manage to create chances doesn't automatically mean you are set up like that. Especially given we have the players with all those known deficiencies. I don't think we are set up only for counters. We could do this with lower lines even easier.

Andy_Cole said:


Lego Jose
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Weird conclusion based on the quote isn't it? Sounds to me that he thinks that some of his players like this style (low block) more than he does. And I would confirm that impression, it isn't much news, Maguire is aware of his deficiencies, Dalot as well. I guess every defensive player is happy to play a low block given that this decreases the distance between players which makes it easier to defend. So it makes sense that the players enjoy it more, but it comes at the cost of being rather toothless (with the players at hand, we'd probably be toothless no matter the system).
 
VP89 said:
Well it's not simple because that's essentially throwing out your primary system that you've engrained in training for the past few months, just because you lost a player.

He had Eriksen if he wanted a playmaker and Chido for legs. But that's neither here nor there, he chose the sub that gave his structure most balance and it worked.

Personally I see the value in keeping Garnacho or Hojlund. The former is a bigger threat and the latter is going to be more of a physical hassle to push the team further up. Maybe he could have put Garnacho in a false 9 but this worked anyway.

It was brave, potentially silly, but certainly not cowardly. And it paid off.
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Which is what most teams do. You have to have some flexibility when you get a red card in games.

If you're playing 442 and lose a defender, you'd might drop back to 441 - although I think Mancini used to play a weird 342 when he went a man down. If you're playing 433, you might drop into a 432.

You need an out ball. Playing 531 when you're a man down just invites far too much pressure and you have no out ball. So you get penned in way too easily. As we saw in that second half tonight.
 
Acquire Me said:
You could have blamed him imo if he did stupid decisions after the red card. But he did sound decisions.
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He kept Hojlund on. Now we got away with it, but that was not a sound decision. We ceded all control to them. We get away with it against Ipswich. I’m not sure it works against all but three teams in this league.
 
Dannn411 said:
Top reds just see what they want to see. No rational human being can look at our performances since he joined and tell me meaningful progress has been made. That's Communist Russia levels of willful obtuseness. I just don't understand why people get so attached to managers. We don't owe these guys anything. They have to earn time and trust. It can't just be handed to them on a platter.
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Exactly. Someone called people questioning him “morons” a few posts up, I wouldn’t dignify them by mentioning their name. It’s moronic to blindly back a manager that has given zero reason to believe he is suitable for the job. If anything he is proving he is wholly unsuited to it.
 
Absolutely mental we brought this guy in mid-season without assurances he'd adapt his scheme to fit the players at first. Played better under Ruud.
 
7 wins, 2 draws, and 3 defeats since the turn of the year while juggling a poor squad, managing prima donnas (Rashford), and injuries to key players (Amad). Yup, those asking for a change in system, including Neville, Scholes, Savage (what illustrious company), and others, are morons.
 
I would love to come on here after half a dozen convincing wins on the bounce, with Amorim having proven all my doubts to be daft. I pray for that day. Honestly I do.
 
bond19821982 said:
No idea why the feck he subbed Garnacho. You are at home against a relegation side and you bring a defender when we already have 4 defenders playing.

Hope he grow a pair. Way too cowardly .
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Tbf to him though, we played a full half with 10 men and won it 1-0 which gave us the win while not looking like we were under that much pressure.
The sub worked.
 
Toshey said:
Embarassing.
Just admit you are gutted we won.

More than a half with 10 man and we had better chances to make it 4-2 than they had to equalise. And still all you can do is moan in this thread.

Infuriating to read.
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It was a very good response in the 2nd half tbf, but the individual errors are more infuriating. Amorim needs to get a tune out of these players to salvage the season with an FA cup or Europa league win.
 
#07 said:
I would love to come on here after half a dozen convincing wins on the bounce, with Amorim having proven all my doubts to be daft. I pray for that day. Honestly I do.
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Well everyone would be happy; of course. There are many, though, who have already lost their bottle.
 
Regalia said:
Great job Amorim. Much better start to the game today, played well in general and his game management won us the game after the red. If Onana wasn't the worst GK ever and Dorgu had his foot 2cm lower, we'd have won this 4-0.
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I wonder did we play into the stretford end in the 1st match for a reason especially with our struggle for 1st half goals in the last 3 months
 
No shite the players love low block.

So how about you set them up to suit and try and win us some football matches coach!
 
altodevil said:
Absolutely mental we brought this guy in mid-season without assurances he'd adapt his scheme to fit the players at first. Played better under Ruud.
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Ruud is on track for relegation with Leicester. Not sure he's a good one to reference here.
 
A painful history of fan commentary on managers:

LVG: football is too boring.
Jose: no low block. Manchester United is expansive fast attacking football!
Ole: why did he revert to low block counter attacking?!
ETH: why isn't he implementing positive football!? No more low block.

Amorim: why isn't he going with low block!!??

Fecking mental.
 
343 said:
7 wins, 2 draws, and 3 defeats since the turn of the year while juggling a poor squad, managing prima donnas (Rashford), and injuries to key players (Amad). Yup, those asking for a change in system, including Neville, Scholes, Savage (what illustrious company), and others, are morons.
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The irony is that for the first two months of the season Neville was crying out for us to play with a back 3.
 
The Garnacho love is going to be a problem. Many of us thought it was a bad tactical decision at the time but it paid off and people are more pressed he didn't achieve a 10-man win with what is quite frankly an above average prospect in a bang average squad with little brains or technical ability. This is not the result to be having a go at Amorim.
 
343 said:
7 wins, 2 draws, and 3 defeats since the turn of the year while juggling a poor squad, managing prima donnas (Rashford), and injuries to key players (Amad). Yup, those asking for a change in system, including Neville, Scholes, Savage (what illustrious company), and others, are morons.
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Yeah it's not bad. If we can navigate past Fulham and Real Sociedad I'll be happy. Performances are rough but we're down to bare bones.

When you consider that when ETH was sacked we had played 14 and won 4. 28.6% win rate. I think many forget how terrible we were at the start of this season.
 
Woodzy said:
The irony is that for the first two months of the season Neville was crying out for us to play with a back 3.
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He is the worst kind of pundit, the kind that comes up with a narrative and sticks to it no matter what. I will celebrate the day he hangs up his punditry boots.

RedSky said:
Yeah it's not bad. If we can navigate past Fulham and Real Sociedad I'll be happy. Performances are rough but we're down to bare bones.

When you consider that when ETH was sacked we had played 14 and won 4. 28.6% win rate. I think many forget how terrible we were at the start of this season.
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Yes, we are down to bare bones indeed. Amad, our player of the season, and that one unpredictable spark that makes things happen, is a great loss (nobody even mentions this anymore). And now Dorgu, who seems to be making the system work on his side, is out for three games. Everything that could go wrong for Amorim in terms of circumstance has gone wrong.

We can be sure that if we lose against Fulham and/or Sociedad, there will be calls for his sacking merely months after taking over a team who were in 13th for a very good reason. This isn't Moyes following Fergie, but nobody wants to have patience anymore since that didn't work in the past because of how mismanaged the club has been. Guess what, the Glazers are still here, and INEOS look only marginally more competent.
 
Credit where credit is due. We showed a lot of fight to get the 3 points today. Massive win and something to build on.

More importantly, the players HAVE NOT downed tools on him.
 
I'm not going to complain if he turns is into Arsenal on set pieces. I didn't watch Sporting, were they strong on set pieces and when they went down to 10 because the third CB?
 
Scoring from 3 set pieces is a nice change of pace. We've been shite at this for a long time.

Big win today. Ipswich didn't really threaten after we went down to 10 men and Amorims sub made sense.

I don't know what he can do about Onana but, it's quite infuriating how much of a nervous wreck he is in goal.
 
baskinginthesun said:
Scoring from 3 set pieces is a nice change of pace. We've been shite at this for a long time.

Big win today. Ipswich didn't really threaten after we went down to 10 men and Amorims sub made sense.

I don't know what he can do about Onana but, it's quite infuriating how much of a nervous wreck he is in goal.
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De Ligt really has made a huge difference. For the first time in years, we seem like a threat from set pieces because of him.

Amorim has improved us in this area.
 
Ace said:
Well we can agree on that at least.
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I sincerely wish like other good teams we had a good back-up keeper. A goal keeper and a striker are the two most important positions in football and the bedrock of any team's success. We have of bog standard players in both those positions, who are chiefly responsible for our current position on the table. Both Onana and Rasmus are so so bad.

I am ready for Chido and Harrison. Now that we are safe, let's gamble away.
 
Hilarious watching the Amorim-haters still falling over themselves trying to discredit him after this result. Such pathetic cretins. Save it for when we lose at least. If our players (Onana and Dorgu) didn't go through their usual brain fart moments, we'd have won this comfortably. Great set pieces, system worked, made the right subs taking off Garnacho (he even talked about why in the presser later), and team showed great resilience playing with 10 men. Morons who get off when we lose didn't get what they wanted, how sad.
 
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