I would suggest that you don’t post in this thread during a game.
No there won’t be a sacking thread. The guy hasn’t had the luxury of a preseason ffs
No there won’t be a sacking thread. The guy hasn’t had the luxury of a preseason ffs
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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This makes no sense. We finally got a result against a relegation candidate through some good set pieces from Bruno. The overall play was still the usual disorganised style that we have seen. Some slightly better performances, but nothing to make fans "take a look at themselves".
Last two games. 4 points
I think over time, we'll end up becoming a really good defensive team that can attack, rather than an attacking team. When we do have to defend and counter, we are quite good. I can see us being consistent with that....IN THIS SYSTEM. I just think we need to improve the athleticism of the players across the team, and ensure that we try to sign dynamic players in the front 3 ( we already have Amad). I think that's where we will see success....being slightly better at the back, keeping our pressing to a high standard, playing though the defence less ( allowing for direct attacks through the centre or connections with wing backs) and having a solid shape that is difficult for teams to play through.
In essence, the ability to control a game without needing to create many chances. I think personnel wise Yoro, De Ligt, Bruno, Ugarte, Amad, Mount, Mazrauoi, Shaw, Dorgu, Collyer and a few youngsters coming through can work in this system. However, I have serious doubts about Hojlund, who at most should be a back up. Zirzkee doesn't fit an athletic team and actually hurts us in our pressing and covering. He's also not quick or dynamic enough to lead a counter. Onana also has to go, his presence doesn't allow for composure. He's far too erratic for a team looking to be secure.
I think with time, Amorim will end up coming to this conclusion, because the best we've played under him have been in situations where we defend. In these games, we can attack and feel less under threat. At the moment, with the 343, playing out of the back seemingly invites pressure and keeps the ball in our own half.
In essence, the ability to control a game without needing to create many chances. I think personnel wise Yoro, De Ligt, Bruno, Ugarte, Amad, Mount, Mazrauoi, Shaw, Dorgu, Collyer and a few youngsters coming through can work in this system. However, I have serious doubts about Hojlund, who at most should be a back up. Zirzkee doesn't fit an athletic team and actually hurts us in our pressing and covering. He's also not quick or dynamic enough to lead a counter. Onana also has to go, his presence doesn't allow for composure. He's far too erratic for a team looking to be secure.
I think with time, Amorim will end up coming to this conclusion, because the best we've played under him have been in situations where we defend. In these games, we can attack and feel less under threat. At the moment, with the 343, playing out of the back seemingly invites pressure and keeps the ball in our own half.
I was there.
You do remember Antony tackling the ball instead of scoring in an open goal?
Or Garnacho missing a golden chance from 10 yards out?
Or does that not fit the agenda.
The "mess" worked well enough today. We would've cruised to victory if our players hadn't made silly unforced errors.
Second half of Everton and today feels different. Red card changed the game but we generally had more tenacity for second balls and we were up for battles. I hope we are on to something.
Before the red we were also more direct in our play which was refreshing.
Before the red we were also more direct in our play which was refreshing.
It’s not a top red thing. I wanted ETH out December of last season. It’s about getting a fair shot. He has two strikers who can’t score, a really shite keeper, out highest paid player wanted a new challenge and our most threatening attacker is out for the season.
Give him a fair shot. The media is such rubbish - today BT talked about the system numerous times in the first 15 mins when we were actually dominant and the freak goal had nothing to do with it.
Fair enough.
By system you mean "full Stoke City mode"?
We just need to get to the summer and reset. Clear 4-5 out and hopefully bring in 3-4 to add to his system
Surely the ends justified the means here?! Casemiro was excellent in helping see out the game.
Down to 10 men in a scrappy game doesn’t feel like the time for Obi.
I only counted one arse clenching moment from Ipswich in the second, I’d argue the second half was managed almost perfectly. Good job team!
Great job Amorim. Much better start to the game today, played well in general and his game management won us the game after the red. If Onana wasn't the worst GK ever and Dorgu had his foot 2cm lower, we'd have won this 4-0.
Only in the second half down to 10, come on we were completely dominant until the red, the ball was only going one way all the time.
Only the luxury of a ‘write off’ league campaign. Anyway the team got the job done tonight in difficult circumstances against a relegated team, so his stock is about the same as it were before kick-off.
If that win doesn't give them a bit of fire for the rest of the season, the players might actually be dead.
Thought we looked best when playing with two strikers up top. Maybe Amorim should try to play 3-4-1-2 instead, considering we have only 1 good 10, and he plays cm. Then zirkzee can do the hold up and flicks while Höjlund/obi runs beehind and presses. would also mean we could maybe get Mainoo more centrally. And with Amad back having Dorgu and Amad as the wingers/wingback should give us plenty width and penetration from there anyway.
Thought we looked best when playing with two strikers up top. Maybe Amorim should try to play 3-4-1-2 instead, considering we have only 1 good 10, and he plays cm. Then zirkzee can do the hold up and flicks while Höjlund/obi runs beehind and presses. would also mean we could maybe get Mainoo more centrally. And with Amad back having Dorgu and Amad as the wingers/wingback should give us plenty width and penetration from there anyway.
Yet we created zilch, nothing substantial.
Amorim is yet another defensive minded, counter attacking merchant.
I think we got the 3 points because Ipswich were rubbish.
As much as Hojlund is not a Man United striker, Zirkzee lost the space he was getting as Ipswich didnt have to worry about running in behind. We lost all attacking threat after the substitution.
Agree that maybe not the best game for Obi. All the more baffling that he substituted Garnacho instead of Hojlund.
Yeah agree with this. I'm annoyed at some of his decisions but I also look at the squad he's working with of players available and struggle to see how someone else will do much better right now. Can't score goals, can't create much, can't run well etc.
Everton and tonight you would assume.
well we have moved up a place
This is a really weird post. I agree we didn't create in the final third but we dominated the ball and we're positioned quite high up.
You don't get periods of 88% possession with that style and none of our goals were counter attacks.
What good is that 88% of possession when, by your own admission, we didn't create in the final third?
How can you write that nonsense and accuse my post of being weird?
Because they were set pieces from utterly awful defending.
He wasn't for Sporting. I agree with you, dominance like that isn't much to brag about as long as it doesn't result in good chances. But I think, it is difficult to characterize Amorim based on what we are seeing right now. I mean, the list of injured 1st teamers is big (and even without it, our attack looks bad for quite some time), we switched formation in the middle of the season (and we weren't much of a side before that either). Amorim is a smart coach, I think, he follows the same principles as most modern coaches and that means control. You can't assert control when you aren't capable of preventing chances. I think, given where we are in the table and how dire results look, I think he could have even gone more defensive but he doesn't. My point of view is, that we simply suffer from a squad with next to no attacking firepower apart from what Bruno offers. When you compare that to Sporting, from what I read they were known for having their 10s being very productive and also their wingbacks. And they also had a striker that pushed opposition teams back. Compare that to us... I doubt we'd look any better when he would try more attacking stuff.
Embarassing.
Just admit you are gutted we won.
More than a half with 10 man and we had better chances to make it 4-2 than they had to equalise. And still all you can do is moan in this thread.
Infuriating to read.
Just admit you are gutted we won.
More than a half with 10 man and we had better chances to make it 4-2 than they had to equalise. And still all you can do is moan in this thread.
Infuriating to read.
It should've never been that close. But we did well to see it out and go ahead again a man down, even if we needed to play like Stoke a bit
Well we scored so that’s not true.
I don’t think these games are really the ones to judge us. We got the winner and defended the game very well afterwards.
It gave us more solidity though. We did what we had to do once we scored.
Buddy we scored from set pieces...
How can people moan after winning with 10 men. We were ahead and would have ended 4-1 if it weren't for the sending off.
Re your first part, I’d be quite happy with that. I think we need a solid foundation to build on.
Yes which is still creating a chance….
With 11 men it's 4-1 easy win. Without Onana 4-0.
Remember last two seasons when every time we went down to 10 men we completely crumbled and looked hopeless?
With our current form, does it really matter? If we pick up a few wins with goals from set pieces, morale and confidence might rise and we might start to resemble a football team
Poor opposition today, but we felt pretty solid being a man down
Creativity is a problem but that doesn't make us counter attack merchants or defensively minded by default. That would be a nonsense conclusion.What good is that 88% of possession when, by your own admission, we didn't create in the final third?
How can you write that nonsense and accuse my post of being weird?
I agree we have traditionally been quite defensive in this structure but not when it was XI vs XI today and not in the second half vs Everton.
So not counter attacks then.
Team can't win. Slaughtered for never scoring from set pieces and when they do its shameful.
Clutching at straws here, are we?
Situation is dire enough that I'm afraid he'll stick to what's giving results. At this moment in time, it's this pile of dogshiit he's serving us.
Homeboy the fact that we can have high possession % yet create anything just confirms my point. Only time we are actually even remotely threatening is when we're on the counter.
It's the overall package that we're being served. We look absolutely horrendous. Scoring from set pieces only is a perfect indicator just how bad things are at the moment.
No idea why the feck he subbed Garnacho. You are at home against a relegation side and you bring a defender when we already have 4 defenders playing.
Hope he grow a pair. Way too cowardly .
Hope he grow a pair. Way too cowardly .