It's the overall package that we're being served. We look absolutely horrendous. Scoring from set pieces only is a perfect indicator just how bad things are at the moment.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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No idea why the feck he subbed Garnacho. You are at home against a relegation side and you bring a defender when we already have 4 defenders playing.
Hope he grow a pair. Way too cowardly .
Hope he grow a pair. Way too cowardly .
It doesn't confirm anything. You said we are defensively minded which doesn't correlate with our positioning on the pitch and the possession stats. Defensive counter attack minded teams would be deeper and more vertical in their attacks, which we aren't.
Crikey, you're very condescending.Oh lord. Ok mate, thank you for your input
Mazraoui was a shoe in, given we lost a wingback and needed to put another on.
He chose not to sub a ST for a fullback and subbed his 10 instead. Not exactly cowardly in my books
Maybe give it a rest for today. Think you made your point clear and you coming of a bit crankyOh lord. Ok mate, thank you for your input
No point in banging heads, everyone and their nan can see that we're very much defensive and the only time we look threatening is on the counter, yet this dude is talking to me about positioning.
You're probably right, i shall do that. Good night.
People just want to see Garnacho at WB I suppose. Can only assume he's bad at it, considering Amorim never even tried it
Take out one of CBs - simple. He got lucky they didn't score . If he needed an attacking sub we had no one.
The one thing about the players who have played there, including Amad is they can battle. They might not always be very good at it, but the slightest touch doesn’t send them.
Garnacho is either a massive diver/exaggerator, or he’s just got zero core strength.
I wouldn’t want him near the WB positions personally.
Well it's not simple because that's essentially throwing out your primary system that you've engrained in training for the past few months, just because you lost a player.
He had Eriksen if he wanted a playmaker and Chido for legs. But that's neither here nor there, he chose the sub that gave his structure most balance and it worked.
Personally I see the value in keeping Garnacho or Hojlund. The former is a bigger threat and the latter is going to be more of a physical hassle to push the team further up. Maybe he could have put Garnacho in a false 9 but this worked anyway.
It was brave, potentially silly, but certainly not cowardly. And it paid off.
Lego Jose
You need to calm down! Amorim is the man, have some patience
He makes a lot of sense when he talks about this stuff (he's almost too open btw). That's basically saying Maguire and De Ligt are good defenders (and both of them are good defenders!) but it's not right for the system. Both of them were good today and were fantastic against Arsenal in a similar set up but the makeup of the squad for how he wants to play is really poor.
Resultswise certainly not. Performance wise it might matter. It doesn't to me but I'd be very cautious of potentially drawing wrong conclusions from such a game.
Not the greatest examples. We didn't create anything of note in those two games. I agree with you - that in itself doesn't mean we were defensively setup because I agree we weren't but I think calling such performances dominant is a bit of a stretch. LVG had tons of possession. Opposition teams were happy to cede it as they knew we wouldn't hurt them with it.
I agree with this.
I don't agree with this. You are mixing terms. Just because you don't manage to create chances doesn't automatically mean you are set up like that. Especially given we have the players with all those known deficiencies. I don't think we are set up only for counters. We could do this with lower lines even easier.
Weird conclusion based on the quote isn't it? Sounds to me that he thinks that some of his players like this style (low block) more than he does. And I would confirm that impression, it isn't much news, Maguire is aware of his deficiencies, Dalot as well. I guess every defensive player is happy to play a low block given that this decreases the distance between players which makes it easier to defend. So it makes sense that the players enjoy it more, but it comes at the cost of being rather toothless (with the players at hand, we'd probably be toothless no matter the system).
You could have blamed him imo if he did stupid decisions after the red card. But he did sound decisions.
Which is what most teams do. You have to have some flexibility when you get a red card in games.
If you're playing 442 and lose a defender, you'd might drop back to 441 - although I think Mancini used to play a weird 342 when he went a man down. If you're playing 433, you might drop into a 432.
You need an out ball. Playing 531 when you're a man down just invites far too much pressure and you have no out ball. So you get penned in way too easily. As we saw in that second half tonight.
He kept Hojlund on. Now we got away with it, but that was not a sound decision. We ceded all control to them. We get away with it against Ipswich. I’m not sure it works against all but three teams in this league.
Exactly. Someone called people questioning him “morons” a few posts up, I wouldn’t dignify them by mentioning their name. It’s moronic to blindly back a manager that has given zero reason to believe he is suitable for the job. If anything he is proving he is wholly unsuited to it.
Absolutely mental we brought this guy in mid-season without assurances he'd adapt his scheme to fit the players at first. Played better under Ruud.
7 wins, 2 draws, and 3 defeats since the turn of the year while juggling a poor squad, managing prima donnas (Rashford), and injuries to key players (Amad). Yup, those asking for a change in system, including Neville, Scholes, Savage (what illustrious company), and others, are morons.
No, worse.
I would love to come on here after half a dozen convincing wins on the bounce, with Amorim having proven all my doubts to be daft. I pray for that day. Honestly I do.
Tbf to him though, we played a full half with 10 men and won it 1-0 which gave us the win while not looking like we were under that much pressure.
The sub worked.
It was a very good response in the 2nd half tbf, but the individual errors are more infuriating. Amorim needs to get a tune out of these players to salvage the season with an FA cup or Europa league win.
We played vibes and just doing what you like football under Ruud. And we weren't even that great. Romatising that tiny period is bonkers.
Well everyone would be happy; of course. There are many, though, who have already lost their bottle.
I wonder did we play into the stretford end in the 1st match for a reason especially with our struggle for 1st half goals in the last 3 months
Can you please explain why you have so much faith in him? I’ll admit I don’t watch much football outside of United these days, so tell me what I’m missing.
No shite the players love low block.
So how about you set them up to suit and try and win us some football matches coach!
So how about you set them up to suit and try and win us some football matches coach!
Ruud is on track for relegation with Leicester. Not sure he's a good one to reference here.
A painful history of fan commentary on managers:
LVG: football is too boring.
Jose: no low block. Manchester United is expansive fast attacking football!
Ole: why did he revert to low block counter attacking?!
ETH: why isn't he implementing positive football!? No more low block.
Amorim: why isn't he going with low block!!??
Fecking mental.
LVG: football is too boring.
Jose: no low block. Manchester United is expansive fast attacking football!
Ole: why did he revert to low block counter attacking?!
ETH: why isn't he implementing positive football!? No more low block.
Amorim: why isn't he going with low block!!??
Fecking mental.
The irony is that for the first two months of the season Neville was crying out for us to play with a back 3.