Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

I thought was blindingly obvious. I’ll post in neon letters next time.

I’d probably have less reason to complain if we won football matches. Pretty sure Guardiola has never refused to play a single second without 5 defenders on the pitch. If we had a defender have to go off the pitch for treatment for thirty seconds Amorim would break into a cold sweat. I remember Mourinho getting maligned for doing it to see out games or away to Liverpool. Now we’re supposed to be happy we do it every week and lose.
Just say what you actually mean, no need for neon lights or being dramatic about it.

We need to win more games, I agree. Pep regularly played with 5 defenders and we have played Antony and Amad at right wing back so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
Yeh, how dare the top reds give this manager support, he's been here for 4 long months which is too long, with a top team with lots of choices upfront, absolute top class attackers, midfielders and a gk. how can they not see logic?
At the level we are aspiring to be at 4 months is long enough to assess progress. Even 5 games is enough let alone 23. Why does he need the absolute top class players to make a team look good? A proper manager makes the best with what he has not make them so much worse than they actually are. Dont call blind support for a manager who has done nothing to deserve it "logic." It completely goes against everything that word means.
 
Just say what you actually mean, no need for neon lights or being dramatic about it.

We need to win more games, I agree. Pep regularly played with 5 defenders and we have played Antony and Amad at right wing back so I don't know what you're talking about.
You’re just being obtuse. The very odd exception have we played a winger at wing back. And been much better for it. That’s happened about 8% of his time here.
 
At the level we are aspiring to be at 4 months is long enough to assess progress. Even 5 games is enough let alone 23. Why does he need the absolute top class players to make a team look good? A proper manager makes the best with what he has not make them so much worse than they actually are. Dont call blind support for a manager who has done nothing to deserve it "logic." It completely goes against everything that word means.

I stopped reading here, you think 5 games is enough to assess? So you'd sack managers after every 5 games if you don't see any progress?
 
Whether you're happy to give him a free pass this season or not (I am), there's simply no argument against the fact all he's done so far is made us even worse. I sincerely hope something clicks during preseason, because if we carry on like this we could be in real trouble next season
 
Yeah that's exactly what I said. :lol::lol::lol:
Honestly, I can't take anyone serious who still thinks there will be signs of 'progress' now

Yes maybe before Rashford and Antony left and we had more options upfront

Yes maybe when we Amad and Martinez before injuries

Progress now? laughable. With what? Bones?
 
You’re just being obtuse. The very odd exception have we played a winger at wing back. And been much better for it. That’s happened about 8% of his time here.
I just don't think being hyperbolic about everything is very constructive. You're free to think the formation is a mess and I get that some people prefer a 442 or whatever but that is just your opinion.
 
Honestly, I can't take anyone serious who still thinks there will be signs of 'progress' now

Yes maybe before Rashford and Antony left and we had more options upfront

Yes maybe when we Amad and Martinez before injuries

Progress now? laughable. With what? Bones?
We were already terrible when Amad and Martinez were available. Don't act like the way we play is just down to injuries. We got totally outplayed by the worst PL team of all time (up to that point) before being bailed out by a 12 minute hat-trick at the death.
 
We were already terrible when Amad and Martinez were available. Don't act like the way we play is just down to injuries. We got totally outplayed by the worst PL team of all time (up to that point) before being bailed out by a 12 minute hat-trick at the death.
We weren't great after EtH I'll agree to that

Then we lost depth

Then we got big injuries

You ain't going to see progress until summer, I'll save you the energy. I'd rather be logically, see what happens in summer, then fairly judge Amorim when he has some players in. No top red needed to expect that
 
This squad is absolutely dogshit, the players are terrible, and the football we are playing is turgid, but at least the players are showing character. That Everton game at the weekend, we would have lost 4-0 under Ten Hag, and we would have absolutely folded after the red card today.
 
I know we aren’t allowed to say anything positive

But those 4 points were extremely hard fought.

Little glimmer of hope for me
 
I understand that in terms of football and results, the improvement is not there (perhaps yet), bar a couple of games.

We can all be critical towards some of his decisions.

But this is the second time we get a result after going a man behind, conceding after a few minutes, but we have managed to respond and hold. At least he can somehow inspire them to not give up. I can't recall many times in the past that we didn't collapse under similar circumstances.
 
Whether you're happy to give him a free pass this season or not (I am), there's simply no argument against the fact all he's done so far is made us even worse. I sincerely hope something clicks during preseason, because if we carry on like this we could be in real trouble next season
Agree with this. We’ve been objectively worse since he came in and we were dire before that. This doesn’t inspire confidence.

Happy for him that he got the win with 10 men. Maguire really saved him blushes.
 
We weren't great after EtH I'll agree to that

Then we lost depth

Then we got big injuries

You ain't going to see progress until summer, I'll save you the energy. I'd rather be logically, see what happens in summer, then fairy judge Amorim when he has some players in. No top red needed to expect that
He's going to get till next season and then we will see. For everyone's sake I hope he's actually good but based on what I have seen. I am not holding my breath.
 
There's a lot of rightful criticism of Amorim this season but he can have a night off tonight. That's a routine 4-0 win if not for individual errors. Yes Ipswich are terrible but the "system" actually looked ok.
 
United can’t ever build on any sort of improvement.

Amad improved the right side.
Team has no left side.
Amad gets injured for rest of the season.
Dorgu arrives improves the left side.
Now the team has no right side.

Just comic how bad the different scenarios present themselves.
 
Thought we looked pretty good until the red to be honest, we were overlapping, crossing, taking more risk. Zirkzee was getting good pockets at 10, we were pretty solid in general apart from the mistake.
With 10 men you just accept it's a shit show after that + we did well to hang on
 
@ all the people who started posting crap and clowning around when we conceded the 1st goal and at half time.
Did you learn something today?
Would you take a good look in the mirror and realise how toxic you are?

Remember during ETH reign when every time we went a man down, we collapsed? None of that anymore. Great job, Ruben!

This team screams for a competent striker, even with 10 man if we had anyone who isn't called Rasmus Hojlund or Joshua Zirkzee upfront, this is 4-2 or 5-2 easily.

Good effort lads, good job coach!
 
I know we aren’t allowed to say anything positive

But those 4 points were extremely hard fought.

Little glimmer of hope for me
Yeah I’d agree with this, if we aren’t playing good football then they need to show they are fighting for each other which today and versus Everton, even for just 20mins, they have.
 
I just don't think being hyperbolic about everything is very constructive. You're free to think the formation is a mess and I get that some people prefer a 442 or whatever but that is just your opinion.
It’s very obviously a mess on the pitch. You’re free to pretend otherwise.
 
The sub before half time really irritated me but we came out disciplined and well organised. If it wasn’t for the red card I think we’d have won comfortably. His set piece coach seems to have settled at least.
 
Thought we looked pretty good until the red to be honest, we were overlapping, crossing, taking more risk. Zirkzee was getting good pockets at 10, we were pretty solid in general apart from the mistake.
With 10 men you just accept it's a shit show after that + we did well to hang on

Red card and stupid individual error/s aside that led to their opening goal, we were probably going to go on to win that game quite comfortably with 11. That little area of Yoro + Dorgu + Garnacho was looking very promising. I actually think we did pretty well tbf after that. We reacted well in that second half. It could have been harder work than it actually was.
 
Red card and stupid individual error/s aside that led to their opening goal, we were probably going to go on to win that game quite comfortably with 11. That little area of Yoro + Dorgu + Garnacho was looking very promising. I actually think we did pretty well tbf after that. We reacted well in that second half. It could have been harder work than it actually was.

Yeah that left hand side looked decent. In typical fashion we now won't get to see it for the next few games.
 
On the positive side,
- 3 points
- we showed more intent (with little quality) in the first half, even with the early howler
- Team was resilient and was competitive even with 10 men

On the downside,
- System still feels negative and defenders see more of the ball than desired
- Some of the substitutions were quite baffling. Taking Garnacho off, replacing Hojlund with a midfielder rather than Obi
- Losing Dorgu for 3 matches
- Onana continues to be a huge liability
 
I would suggest that you don’t post in this thread during a game.

No there won’t be a sacking thread. The guy hasn’t had the luxury of a preseason ffs
 
@ all the people who started posting crap and clowning around when we conceded the 1st goal and at half time.
Did you learn something today?
Would you take a good look in the mirror and realise how toxic you are?

Remember during ETH reign when every time we went a man down, we collapsed? None of that anymore. Great job, Ruben!

This team screams for a competent striker, even with 10 man if we had anyone who isn't called Rasmus Hojlund or Joshua Zirkzee upfront, this is 4-2 or 5-2 easily.

Good effort lads, good job coach!

This makes no sense. We finally got a result against a relegation candidate through some good set pieces from Bruno. The overall play was still the usual disorganised style that we have seen. Some slightly better performances, but nothing to make fans "take a look at themselves".
 
I think over time, we'll end up becoming a really good defensive team that can attack, rather than an attacking team. When we do have to defend and counter, we are quite good. I can see us being consistent with that....IN THIS SYSTEM. I just think we need to improve the athleticism of the players across the team, and ensure that we try to sign dynamic players in the front 3 ( we already have Amad). I think that's where we will see success....being slightly better at the back, keeping our pressing to a high standard, playing though the defence less ( allowing for direct attacks through the centre or connections with wing backs) and having a solid shape that is difficult for teams to play through.

In essence, the ability to control a game without needing to create many chances. I think personnel wise Yoro, De Ligt, Bruno, Ugarte, Amad, Mount, Mazrauoi, Shaw, Dorgu, Collyer and a few youngsters coming through can work in this system. However, I have serious doubts about Hojlund, who at most should be a back up. Zirzkee doesn't fit an athletic team and actually hurts us in our pressing and covering. He's also not quick or dynamic enough to lead a counter. Onana also has to go, his presence doesn't allow for composure. He's far too erratic for a team looking to be secure.

I think with time, Amorim will end up coming to this conclusion, because the best we've played under him have been in situations where we defend. In these games, we can attack and feel less under threat. At the moment, with the 343, playing out of the back seemingly invites pressure and keeps the ball in our own half.