As if we are that lucky.
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Says ETH and Roger Schmidt have turned them down as they want long term deals, be interesting if Kovac wants it.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Can't imagine Dortmund to be a dream job in the current circumstances
Schmidt with the current Dortmund squad would be an accident waiting to happen.
Our longest unbeaten run with ETH was like 6/7 games. He was fecking terrible here. He was carried initially by Rashfords purple patch and Casemiro scoring some important late goals. Once that ended we were ghastly and our attack got significantly worse despite us spending 600m.
A terrible, terrible Manager.
A terrible, terrible Manager.
Thought he was surely going to Dortmund. If he did, we wouldn't have to pay him anymore for sacking him?
I cant believe the amount of good will he gets here.
In 2y he could do anything. Style of play, recruitment, player management, comms, etc.
And it kept going down, even with so much backing.
To me, most of his actions were borderline criminal.
Come on ETH. Convince Dortmund of your tactical plan and get them to buy Rashford.
He isn’t wanting the job. He’s waiting until the summer.
When we sack Amorim and bring him back
Yeah that seems to be the case here.... If he can also convince the imbeciles that will hire him in the future to call us so we can sell them Antony, Martinez, Onana and Casemiro for 300m euros that would be great.
Wherever he ends up next, let’s hope he has a large say in transfers to come calling for some of our lot.
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I'm bringin' sexy back (heh)
Them other coaches don't know how to act (clear)
I think I’m special, now ten hag is back (heh)
So turn around and I'll pick up the slack (heh)
Take 'em to the bridge (Stamford)
Define 'towards the end'? Because you first said things only went bad for him after he went pragmatic. Which implies before those last few games prior to his sacking you thought things were going well?
Did he though? I think people need to let go of this idea that Ten Hag had that much to do with the style of play Ajax employed during his time there. I don't think that was his style at all, his ideal style of play was the no midfield yoyo ball that he was stubbornly trying to implement for 18 months. Despite anyone with a brain being able to see it didn't work at this level and probably any level.
Betis might want him I guess. Already got his most expensive signing ever.
The club should take a legal action against everybody that's involved in Antony's transfer(including ETH),something is fishy about it.
I have never hated any United manager including Moyes, the more I look at ETH's transfer the more I hate him.
I have never hated any United manager including Moyes, the more I look at ETH's transfer the more I hate him.
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Sounds like he couldn’t agree a move to Dortmund partly because of the amount of decision makers at the club. This makes sense. He was spoiled at United being allowed to basically ship in his Ajax first team. Probably been told by Dortmund he’d have little say on transfers. Lucky escape for Dortmund. Then again they don’t seem to have any decent standards when it comes to hiring head coaches.
He's one of the worst managers I've ever seen tactically and managerially.
Maybe he can plan some good training sessions, but that is the limit of his abilities.
No big club worth their salt should consider this guy as the main man.
Maybe he can plan some good training sessions, but that is the limit of his abilities.
No big club worth their salt should consider this guy as the main man.
Looking at Dortmund right now they probably couldn't even tell him who actually decides anything at the club. Their leadership is a total mess.
I agree with this. Im all for transparency and accountability.
The Antony, Onana, Hojlund, Mount, Zirkzee, Martinez and Malacia transfers have no explanation or rational behind them.
They account for 400 million. There has to be some decision making process that needs reviewing.
Look at how Ajax did before and after him.
His teams at other clubs also played decent football.
He did terribly at United but there is no reason to make stuff up.
There are a lot more parallels between Amorim and Ten Hag than some of our fans want to admit.
Both are disciplinarians, Amorim has gone to war with Rashford almost immediately. Even Ten Hag tried to play it tactically with Ronaldo/Sancho for a while.
Both are being backed by the club to implement a system (Ten Hag from his second season, he was pragmatic in his first) which clearly isn't suitable for our players and is resulting in terrible performances and confidence to ebb away rapidly.
Both impressed and dominated in a lower league.
The main difference is Amorim is younger and has buckets more charisma. I thought that would see him through (and also that was what we needed) but seeing him crack so soon and overshare to the degree he has is worrying, Ten Hag's lack of personality and bland media interactions are now starting to look like a shield.
Oh also one is bald.
Both are disciplinarians, Amorim has gone to war with Rashford almost immediately. Even Ten Hag tried to play it tactically with Ronaldo/Sancho for a while.
Both are being backed by the club to implement a system (Ten Hag from his second season, he was pragmatic in his first) which clearly isn't suitable for our players and is resulting in terrible performances and confidence to ebb away rapidly.
Both impressed and dominated in a lower league.
The main difference is Amorim is younger and has buckets more charisma. I thought that would see him through (and also that was what we needed) but seeing him crack so soon and overshare to the degree he has is worrying, Ten Hag's lack of personality and bland media interactions are now starting to look like a shield.
Oh also one is bald.
Hyperbole aside, I am intrigued to see how he fares in his next role.
Id also say that dominating the Portuese league with Sporting is far more of a feat than dominating the Eredivisie with Ajax.
He wasn’t a good manager here and made terrible buys
He needed a good director of football
He still won 2 trophies in 2 years though and that’s why some fans have some time for him,
That FA cup win against city was his best day as a united manager.
He needed a good director of football
He still won 2 trophies in 2 years though and that’s why some fans have some time for him,
That FA cup win against city was his best day as a united manager.
What exactly did I make up?
Did United at any point during his time here play anything like the same football that Ajax played during the time Ten Hag managed them?
I wonder why Feyenoord didnt go for him, wouldnt he have been a better option than RVP?
They retired bald fraúds after Slot left
Apparently the Heerenveen job is available soon.
He might be too expensive (Feyenoord is forever skint), and Ten Hag might anyway be holding out for something better. As much as he crashed and burned at United, Feyenoord would be a big step back after where he left Ajax.
What are you Heeren about it?
Hehrenveen
Hope they have a nice transfer kitty available. Some former ETH players will be on the market soon.
Well well well....
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cge17835e3eo
Former Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag says modern players struggle to deal with criticism and that his generation had "much thicker skin".
The 55-year-old Dutchman was sacked by United in October, three months after he signed a new two-year contract. His tenure included several issues and disputes with players. Speaking to SEG Stories, external - a media outlet attached to his management agency - Ten Hag said: "This generation usually find it difficult to deal with criticism. Criticism really gets to them. "The generation that I grew up in had much thicker skin. You could be much more direct. "I was approached much more directly. If I would do that with my current group of players I would demotivate them. "If you do that to the current generation they find it offensive."
Ten Hag won the FA Cup and League Cup during his two full seasons at United, but they finished eighth in the table last season, their worst Premier League finish. Cristiano Ronaldo's contract was terminated midway through Ten Hag's first season after he gave an interview to Piers Morgan in which he said he did not respect Ten Hag. Jadon Sancho was banished from the first-team squad after accusing Ten Hag of making him a "scapegoat" following criticism of his performances in training.
Ten Hag disciplined Marcus Rashford last year for missing training following an unauthorised trip to Belfast. Former United defender Raphael Varane last week said he was surprised the club gave Ten Hag a new contract because his connection with the players "no longer existed".
However, Ten Hag was praised for developing younger players such as Alejandro Garnacho and Kobbie Mainoo at Old Trafford. He said managers "have to show them (modern players) more love". "With this generation you choose different words and a different approach," he said. "(Sir Alex) Ferguson also belonged to the previous generation. With that generation you could be much more direct in your communication and approach. "A player of this generation will feel ridiculed if you approach them like that."
Ten Hag, who said he will not take a new job until next season, said he was "grateful" to United fans for their support. "What makes the Manchester United fans so special is that they stand by the team even in the face of setbacks," said Ten Hag. "I was appreciated and I always felt that when I walked the streets of Manchester."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cge17835e3eo
Modern players find criticism offensive - Ten Hag
Former Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag says modern players struggle to deal with criticism and that his generation had "much thicker skin".
The 55-year-old Dutchman was sacked by United in October, three months after he signed a new two-year contract. His tenure included several issues and disputes with players. Speaking to SEG Stories, external - a media outlet attached to his management agency - Ten Hag said: "This generation usually find it difficult to deal with criticism. Criticism really gets to them. "The generation that I grew up in had much thicker skin. You could be much more direct. "I was approached much more directly. If I would do that with my current group of players I would demotivate them. "If you do that to the current generation they find it offensive."
Ten Hag won the FA Cup and League Cup during his two full seasons at United, but they finished eighth in the table last season, their worst Premier League finish. Cristiano Ronaldo's contract was terminated midway through Ten Hag's first season after he gave an interview to Piers Morgan in which he said he did not respect Ten Hag. Jadon Sancho was banished from the first-team squad after accusing Ten Hag of making him a "scapegoat" following criticism of his performances in training.
Ten Hag disciplined Marcus Rashford last year for missing training following an unauthorised trip to Belfast. Former United defender Raphael Varane last week said he was surprised the club gave Ten Hag a new contract because his connection with the players "no longer existed".
However, Ten Hag was praised for developing younger players such as Alejandro Garnacho and Kobbie Mainoo at Old Trafford. He said managers "have to show them (modern players) more love". "With this generation you choose different words and a different approach," he said. "(Sir Alex) Ferguson also belonged to the previous generation. With that generation you could be much more direct in your communication and approach. "A player of this generation will feel ridiculed if you approach them like that."
Ten Hag, who said he will not take a new job until next season, said he was "grateful" to United fans for their support. "What makes the Manchester United fans so special is that they stand by the team even in the face of setbacks," said Ten Hag. "I was appreciated and I always felt that when I walked the streets of Manchester."
I can well believe in that, even in the workplace, majority of young people cannot take any criticism. I also believe it's why so many young people have mental health issues, they've been brought up in a nanny state, where actions have no consequences, where standards are never challenged. This generation of younger players are lazy and entitled, they all want instant fame and wealth, it's all they strive for, success in the form of trophies doesn't motivate them, for the majority it's just about profile and lifestyle.
If he struggles to connect and motive the current generation of players perhaps he should consider changing career? There’s many things he could do where he’d deal with people his age, there’s this walking football thingy for seniors, he should give it a try
I assume this is him announcing his retirement? Considering there isn't single decent team with a single player from the generation that Ten Hag "grew up in".
What bollocks! How are the other managers doing well and winning trophies then? His only claim to fame is that CL semi-final run which hugely depended on a ridiculously gifted generation of youngsters at Ajax. The excuses just won't stop.
Along with 3 league titles with Ajax and 3 cups, an FA cup winners and runner up medal and a league cup with United?
He’s achieved more than 95% of football managers active today. It’s really silly when people use hyperbole to discredit him, there’s plenty of ways he can be criticised without resorting to it.