Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

Really interesting to see how the rest of his career will be. He will be very disappointed and set back by his United failure. He was doing quite great up until then at Bayern, Utrecht and Ajax. Didn't have what it takes to make it here, and made some huge huge mistakes. Would hope he has learned from that.

Think he could do well in the Bundesliga.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
He’ll smash it at the next club he goes. He’s a very good coach who was working in a fallen, toxic club that is set to fail.
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hellhunter said:
I'm inclined to agree, but it's not like our previous managers went on to do great things elsewhere
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Mourinho and Ten Hag were washed though, and Solskjaer as much as I love the guy had never really proven himself outside of Norway. I'd question even his overall motivation outside of United/Norway given how long it's taken him to accept another job.

Ten Hag (and Amorim for that matter) came in as highly rated modern managers, and failing at United doesn't really damage their stock too much given the size of the shit show they've been dealt.
 
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sugar_kane said:
Mourinho and Ten Hag were washed though, and Solskjaer as much as I love the guy had never really proven himself outside of Norway. I'd question even his overall motivation outside of United/Norway given how long it's taken him to accept another job.

Ten Hag (and Amorim for that matter) came in as highly rated modern managers, and failing at United doesn't really damage their stock too much given the size of the shit show they've been dealt.
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Do you mean "washed up"?
 
Tom Farm said:
I could see him in Germany at some point ,possibly even back at Bayern !
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At the moment Dortmund seems a realistic possibility, and quite soon apparently as Sahin keeps failing and EtH already was present at a match recently
 
The problem with employing ten Hag is that you won't be certain what you are getting. We thought we were getting Ajax-ball, only to be told that he couldn't play that way here. He then became fixated on some horrible 'Basketball style' transitions with huge gaps and every game felt like a coin toss. What is his idea? There is no philosophy. Everything seems to be muddied. You could call him 'versatile' or 'adaptable' because he seemingly bends to whatever type of players he inherits. We'll see.
 
The Serpent said:
No where did I claim Ole's best achievements was trying to sign Haaland :lol: My point was to highlight the kind of talent he wanted was aligned to the ambitions of our club. It's not even a contest who signed better players out of the two and that's my point. Of course every manager makes poor signings, even Pep signed flops, but overall you can point to a high list of hits. Ten hag did not sign any hits with the exception of maybe Martinez who looked like a united player for one season, now he's being exposed for his limitations. I could ask you to undertake a challenge to list at least 5 signings soley made by ten hag who have turned out to be a hit, but I won't put you through that impossible task

Read what I said I said Ole was leading us into consistent top 4 finishes considering he finished 3rd, then 2nd in his following full season. I never said his last season where things fell off the rails we were going to finish 4th my friend. He clearly had lost the dressing room by then and his tenure had run it's course

Yes we went out to premier league teams under Ole, he wasn't given the fortune of playing back to back league 1 teams to get to quarter finals

I agree regarding the possibility that Case may be a player who ETH did not personally identify but you claimed it was a fact ETH didn't want him, that was my issue with your point since there is no evidence that ETH was against him being signed. Now you could make a case of ETH not wanting Ugarte and wanting to keep Mctominay instead because there are heavy reports out there that may have been the case.

Anyway I think our debate has run it's course, no ill feelings you have your views I have mine, I don't think we are going to reach a common ground on this since you want to judge things by how ten hag made you feel due to winnng domestic cups rather than looking at the results and date and financial costs which he helped sunk the club, where I like to look at the actual consequences and weigh up the negatives and cons side by side of each manager which shows in the cold light of day the scales weighing heavily in Ole's favour in every department with the exception of domestic cup runs
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You keep mentioning it, I don't really get why. All managers signed dross, Ole (though I don't actually think it was his fault) made a speech about signing young hungry players, then signed Cavani, Varane, Ronaldo. Our recruitment has been awful under all managers, Ole is no exception because he once pointed out he rated Haaland.

But what is your point re league finishes with Ole, you just wanted to state the fact?

Irrelevant re draw again, you draw who you draw and you win what you win. ETH had a favourable EFL run and a tough FA cup run. What is your point?

No, you have added the 'against' part, if that was the option he had he wanted it but we know it's not the choice he made. You keep ignoring the fact that they are completely different players. If I want to sign Rio but I get offered Vidic, I will take the latter for sure but he will perform a completely different role in the team, and be poor if I try to make him play the role I wanted Rio for. Managers say yes to all players because they want options, they don't care if the club spends too much, they know they will likely be gone is 2-3 seasons. We should not absolve ETH from thinking Mount would work, or believing Antony had the ability to succeed but it's no worse than Ole signing Sancho, Varane, Cavani, Ronaldo etc. between Jose, Ole and ETH, they basically bankrupt the club.

My original point is I think ETH will be viewed more favourably because he at least had the balls to try something new and ultimately won things. That doesn't mean I celebrated his reign as a great success. He was not unique in spending badly (all others did this too) and he took on far less big money old names than others in general.
 
Remember the geese said:
The problem with employing ten Hag is that you won't be certain what you are getting. We thought we were getting Ajax-ball, only to be told that he couldn't play that way here. He then became fixated on some horrible 'Basketball style' transitions with huge gaps and every game felt like a coin toss. What is his idea? There is no philosophy. Everything seems to be muddied. You could call him 'versatile' or 'adaptable' because he seemingly bends to whatever type of players he inherits. We'll see.
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You'd think that anyone hiring would outline how they want to play especially as he'd be looking for champions league level clubs. I suppose the hiring club only have themselves to blame if he doesn't stick to the plan
 
TsuWave said:
give it up unc
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I will fight the good fight forever.

If you see someone call Nottingham Forest "Forrest" or if someone writes "the feck" instead of "what the feck" or if a Brit uses "pissed" to mean angry (rather than drunk), I will be there to save the day.

I might actually call the police if a non-American uses the term "clutch".
 
hellhunter said:
I'm inclined to agree, but it's not like our previous managers went on to do great things elsewhere
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LVG and Mourinho were greats of the game and we hired them on their decline, and Ole never was or will be anything special.

ETH was an up and coming star and he will presumably resume some of that trajectory now he's left us. He's an excellent coach and to be fair to him when he joined he started very well, it was only when he resorted to pragmatic football that he signed his death warrant. We hired him on the basis of something he had done and then once here expected him to do something else. Had we had a semi competent footballing structure that kept all the off pitch stuff away from him i think he would have been successful. The same will apply to Amorin and every other coach in the future.

I have no hard feelings towards Ten Hag and think we failed him as much as he failed us.
 
I saw in the Dortmund links that if he joins them, they have to pay United a fee. Our revenue streams for PSR are endless!
 
11101 said:
LVG and Mourinho were greats of the game and we hired them on their decline, and Ole never was or will be anything special.

ETH was an up and coming star and he will presumably resume some of that trajectory now he's left us. He's an excellent coach and to be fair to him when he joined he started very well, it was only when he resorted to pragmatic football that he signed his death warrant. We hired him on the basis of something he had done and then once here expected him to do something else. Had we had a semi competent footballing structure that kept all the off pitch stuff away from him i think he would have been successful. The same will apply to Amorin and every other coach in the future.

I have no hard feelings towards Ten Hag and think we failed him as much as he failed us.
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"Up and coming star" is a bit of an exaggeration, no? He's the same age as Pep and much of the hype was based on one strong CL campaign.

More likely he's just another of many managers who were highly rated at one point but failed to make the step up and succeed at the next level.
 
11101 said:
LVG and Mourinho were greats of the game and we hired them on their decline, and Ole never was or will be anything special.

ETH was an up and coming star and he will presumably resume some of that trajectory now he's left us. He's an excellent coach and to be fair to him when he joined he started very well, it was only when he resorted to pragmatic football that he signed his death warrant. We hired him on the basis of something he had done and then once here expected him to do something else. Had we had a semi competent footballing structure that kept all the off pitch stuff away from him i think he would have been successful. The same will apply to Amorin and every other coach in the future.

I have no hard feelings towards Ten Hag and think we failed him as much as he failed us.
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Ten Hags main problems were all the on pitch stuff to be fair.
 
11101 said:
LVG and Mourinho were greats of the game and we hired them on their decline, and Ole never was or will be anything special.
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Certainly not Oles biggest fan but I think, it is premature to deny him something special in the future. I agree, I don't see it as well but you never know. I think, the key for him will be to learn how to assemble a team of experts, he seemed to have done quite well in the vibes department but fell short in other areas.
11101 said:
ETH was an up and coming star and he will presumably resume some of that trajectory now he's left us. He's an excellent coach and to be fair to him when he joined he started very well, it was only when he resorted to pragmatic football that he signed his death warrant. We hired him on the basis of something he had done and then once here expected him to do something else. Had we had a semi competent footballing structure that kept all the off pitch stuff away from him i think he would have been successful. The same will apply to Amorin and every other coach in the future.
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It was the other way around. He did well after resorting back to pragmatic Ole ball after getting hit in his first two games. The wheels really fell off when he attempted something new for our team. Being pramatic doesn't seem to be the way to describe that.
11101 said:
I have no hard feelings towards Ten Hag and think we failed him as much as he failed us.
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I have to agree here. I find the hate for the guy a little weird, I get the frustration but I also think, he is a bit of a fall guy for some. I don't think he failed because he was setup to fail, he did quite a portion of that himself but he isn't the big reason for our struggles. Just one piece of it. Coincidentally the latest, not necessarily the last....
 
He should have been kicked hard in the arse and told to walk when the whistle went on that 7 nil hiding.

He also left us with a pig shit squad of players he had a hand in getting here, Antony, Onana, Mount, Malacia, Hoijlund.......

Good riddance.
 
duffer said:
I will fight the good fight forever.

If you see someone call Nottingham Forest "Forrest" or if someone writes "the feck" instead of "what the feck" or if a Brit uses "pissed" to mean angry (rather than drunk), I will be there to save the day.

I might actually call the police if a non-American uses the term "clutch".
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I was pissed when Forrest beat us this season. Most of our team looked washed, the feck do we have to do to get a couple of clutch players in?
 
ElDiabloRojo said:
He should have been kicked hard in the arse and told to walk when the whistle went on that 7 nil hiding.

He also left us with a pig shit squad of players he had a hand in getting here, Antony, Onana, Mount, Malacia, Hoijlund.......

Good riddance.
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In hindsight, this would have been the right call for me. An unthinkable result that our grandchildren will be reminded about.
 
11101 said:
Only once he'd gone the pragmatic route. We looked very good under him at first.
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That's backwards mate, we looked decent in his first 6 months when he was being pragmatic and reverted to basically the same system Ole employed. It was when he abandoned that and tried to implement whatever the feck sort of football that he was trying to implement that everything went tits up for him. Under those circumstances he would have failed under any structure as his ideal football was batshit.
 
ElDiabloRojo said:
He should have been kicked hard in the arse and told to walk when the whistle went on that 7 nil hiding.

He also left us with a pig shit squad of players he had a hand in getting here, Antony, Onana, Mount, Malacia, Hoijlund.......

Good riddance.
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Maybe but if we were any sort of serious club with serious ambitions he would have been booted towards the end of last season after getting hammered 4-0 by Palace. From that point onwards every man and his dog knew he was done.
 
Remember the geese said:
The problem with employing ten Hag is that you won't be certain what you are getting. We thought we were getting Ajax-ball, only to be told that he couldn't play that way here. He then became fixated on some horrible 'Basketball style' transitions with huge gaps and every game felt like a coin toss. What is his idea? There is no philosophy. Everything seems to be muddied. You could call him 'versatile' or 'adaptable' because he seemingly bends to whatever type of players he inherits. We'll see.
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This notion of Ajax ball is too simplistic. It was a variant of what he actually delivered for Utd, but based on a far better team than he had at Utd with players like De Jong who fitted the style, and also operating in a league with far lower physicality and generally far inferior teams. This is ultimately why he was so exposed and had nowhere to go
stevoc said:
Maybe but if we were any sort of serious club with serious ambitions he would have been booted towards the end of last season after getting hammered 4-0 by Palace. From that point onwards every man and his dog knew he was done.
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The club at the time had no serious management structure, not that its clear we do now. The management such as it was had gone all in backing ETH and signing the players he wanted. There were a couple of articles after the summer window of 2023 noting a top level club had never allowed a manager to dictate signings and get lots of his former players or others from his previous league in such a manner. The contrast was Klopp who I think has never signed a former player. So the management was paralysed into inaction. Sadly it continued this last summer where the only excuse was that likes of Ashworth were not in place, but surely anyone could watch enough videos and analyse the stats to see he had to go.
 
pocco said:
Where’s all these big clubs that were apparently going to be in for him? Bundesliga will suit him as long as it’s Dortmung or Bayern.
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Watzke is already on the phone but if I was ETH I'd stay clear of that mess for now.
 
stevoc said:
That's backwards mate, we looked decent in his first 6 months when he was being pragmatic and reverted to basically the same system Ole employed. It was when he abandoned that and tried to implement whatever the feck sort of football that he was trying to implement that everything went tits up for him. Under those circumstances he would have failed under any structure as his ideal football was batshit.
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I saw a guy trying to do whatever he could do scrape a win towards the end, mostly defending deep and counter attack. That's far from what he was doing at Ajax. He did try the Ajax style early on but much like Amorin hadn't the players for it and got slammed. He then abandoned it. I really hope Amorin doesn't do the same. The day we revert to 4 at the back is the day Amorin is done here.
 
Sahin is gone, but apparently Niko Kovac now is in the pole position to replace him
 
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