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Jose was never an elite player but did well as a managerHe was never an elite-level striker. Not sure why he got the striker coaching job.
Jose was never an elite player but did well as a managerHe was never an elite-level striker. Not sure why he got the striker coaching job.
Lots of not that great players went on to be good managers. Often those (like Klopp) who needed to understand the game better and be smarter to make up for their severe lack of actual talent.Jose was never an elite player but did well as a manager
Brother, LvG hadn’t been in club management for years before we appointed him and Mourinho had been sacked from his two previous roles - look at his career since. These were washed up managers.Agree, a coach has to be up to the task.
The environment has to be up to the task too. We have seen coaches that are up to the task in LVG and Jose dont forget and neither came close to competing for PL or CL.
Brother... LVG reached a WC semi final and a washed Jose won the PL 2 seasons before joining Manutd.Brother, LvG hadn’t been in club management for years before we appointed him and Mourinho had been sacked from his two previous roles - look at his career since. These were washed up managers.
Ten Hag is the first managerial appointment we’ve made of someone in an upward trajectory but that doesn’t mean all of those are going to work out.
Do you think LvG and Mourinho were in an upward trajectory when appointed by Manchester United?Brother... LVG reached a WC semi final and a washed Jose won the PL 2 seasons before joining Manutd.
That's a weird take. Phelan, Meulenstein, Quieroz were never elite players, yet they were part of our most successful coaching team.He was never an elite-level striker. Not sure why he got the striker coaching job.
The reason most fans shudder at the idea of having Southgate as our manager is because of his atrocious club record.World Cup is 1. International football. 2. Cup competition. I mean, this thread shivers at the mention of Gareth Southgate and he’s reached a World Cup semi and he’s a Euro runner-up. According to you he’s not only up to the task he must be one of the very best managers around?
Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.Tweet
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Because he wants to stay? And despite what he says in public probably knows he's very fortunate to have not been sacked over the last 6 months.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
Because of who runs the football side now versus who ran it when he took overWhy exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
You've got to expect there's something like that, because I just find the whole move a bit odd. Is SJR hiring him because ETH wants him? Or because he's an ex player that he used to like? Or is he recommended by Ashworth etc? It just seems a bit too much of a coincidence all round and not the sort of move I was expecting these guys to make. If he's lined up as the next coach then it's even more odd as he's hardly earned that sort of thinking.Wonder if Ruud could be sold a “there’s a potential manager role after ETH” kind of deal.
Because 3 years instead of 1 is probably like £25m guaranteed instead of £9m.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
Well he was brought in specifically to coach our strikers. So our lack of goals speaks for itself. I think a known lethal former striker is a better choice for this specific position. But yes agree on your point about other teams and United's own previous coaches.That's a weird take. Phelan, Meulenstein, Quieroz were never elite players, yet they were part of our most successful coaching team.
And pretty sure City's strikers aren't coached by Van Baste, R9, Ronaldinho or Shevchenko.
As a sidenote he was a decent striker. He hold his nations record for most goals scored.
Being able to kick a ball well doesn't make you good at coaching it.Well he was brought in specifically to coach our strikers. So our lack of goals speaks for itself. I think a known lethal former striker is a better choice for this specific position. But yes agree on your point about other teams and United's own previous coaches.
What else can he do? Go to West Ham and finish 8th with them? He could do that but they don't pay as much as we do, and I doubt they'd give him 400 million to buy his former players.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
He could just stay another year and see how it goes. At the end of season review his options again, maybe it makes sense staying at United and accepting different terms (or by that time if he wins another trophy we could actually be more likely to accept his terms), maybe he's better off moving to another club that will offer him better working conditions. It's not like he's in desperate need of money either, he's absolutely loaded.What else can he do? Go to West Ham and finish 8th with them? He could do that but they don't pay as much as we do, and I doubt they'd give him 400 million to buy his former players.
It sounds like his current contract means he can enforce it.This contract clause seems like a moot point, if the club wants a specific target they aren't backing out of signing them just because Ten Hag says so. He can't enforce it.
Yeh, but would be cool if INEOs were able to think a few steps ahead like that.You've got to expect there's something like that, because I just find the whole move a bit odd. Is SJR hiring him because ETH wants him? Or because he's an ex player that he used to like? Or is he recommended by Ashworth etc? It just seems a bit too much of a coincidence all round and not the sort of move I was expecting these guys to make. If he's lined up as the next coach then it's even more odd as he's hardly earned that sort of thinking.
I don't know, it just seems a bit of a strange one to me.
Because he gets to stay at Manchester United? He was in a stronger position back then. His stock has fallen.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
The only way he can enforce it is not playing the player they've signed, same as every other manager. I'm which case he won't last long and they'll sack him for reasons.It sounds like his current contract means he can enforce it.
Because he wants to stay.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
Mourinho has been sacked from every club that he managed excluding Porto and Inter.Brother, LvG hadn’t been in club management for years before we appointed him and Mourinho had been sacked from his two previous roles - look at his career since. These were washed up managers.
Ten Hag is the first managerial appointment we’ve made of someone in an upward trajectory but that doesn’t mean all of those are going to work out.
YesMourinho has been sacked from every club that he managed excluding Porto.
I suspect you thinK Carlo isnt a good manager either cause he has been sacked a fair few times too?
Pretty wild of Inter to sack him after winning the treble.Mourinho has been sacked from every club that he managed excluding Porto.
Inter and the clubs he managed in Portugal. My bad. He's been sacked 6 times. Since he left Porto, Inter is the only club that he didn't get sacked from.Pretty wild of Inter to sack him after winning the treble.
Huge if true.
No. Carlo has evidently performed since. One of the core sentences in my reply to you was “look at his career since” - in regards to Mourinho, and to substantiate my washed up assertions - I suspect overlooking this was intentional in your part. Nevermind that Mourinho had a title winning team languishing at 16th when he- you know what. This is crazy.I suspect you thinK Carlo isnt a good manager either cause he has been sacked a fair few times too?
He may not. So he would be looking for a new job at the end of the season.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
He already publically said he was ok with it. It was a key condition because United did not have a good setup, he didn't have this level of control at AjaxWhy exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
It actually works in his favour that he isn't the one responsible for the transfers. I still don't think it's going to save his job, as he isn't "flexible" and I have no idea how he's going to use players brought by the club that don't match his "vision", but that's another story.Why exactly would he agree to that? It was one of the key conditions for him when he took the job in the first place, he’s not going to give up on that just like that.
Its funny that he isn't flexible but he built 2 different types of team at Ajax. His first one more possession with false 9 and his second with an out and out 9.It actually works in his favour that he isn't the one responsible for the transfers. I still don't think it's going to save his job, as he isn't "flexible" and I have no idea how he's going to use players brought by the club that don't match his "vision", but that's another story.
Not really.The reason most fans shudder at the idea of having Southgate as our manager is because of his atrocious club record.
LVG is a Champions League winner and he coached teams like Barcelona and Bayern. His team dumped us out of CL 4 years prior to his appointment. He then led a declining Netherlands to the WC semis.
The only managers at the time who were better than him were Pep, Ancelotti, Jose and you could argue Klopp. Hardly washed up in my opinion.
Its not, England are not the only nation to have a good squad, but agreed he played rubbish football with England.Not really.
It's the football England has played under him. Impossible to watch or find joy from. It's antifootball. He has the best attacking squad in the Europe or maybe even in the world, but insists on fielding defensive 11s.
LVG kind of has a similarly anti entertaining philosophy.
Both with main focus on preventing the other team from scoreing. LVG with non-progressive possession and Southgate by killing tempo and having many bodies behind the ball, both sitting deep and hoping their boys score a goal.
A WC semi and a lost EURO final is underachieving with the current England squad, btw.
I think you have your own embarrassing club to worry aboutOnly United are capable of that kind of absurdity haha Embarrassing stuff..
I really don't understand how this isn't a very simple concept for people. Teaching and doing are completely different things. Christ, listen to ex-players talk and half of them are borderline braindead and seem to only grasp football on a very fundamental level. Asking them to explain anything complex would be laughable. Plenty of elite professional sports stars are very good at either doing what they are told or being so good that they exist outside of it. Doesn't mean they aren't going to be dogshit managers or coaches.Being able to kick a ball well doesn't make you good at coaching it.