They'll eventually realise the coach does need to be up to the task though. It's not one or the other. Anyway, they obviously realise this as they spoke to other coaches and almost replaced him.
Big achievement. Fortunate to finish above Palace after they sacked their manager mid way though the season.A bit odd saying this considering we finished above them without some of our first 11 all season.
Your typos were impressive; I wonder what quirk made the letters jump around like that.No meltdown here, though if you’re concerned about typos my defense is that I typically post from my phone, which has a glass keyboard.
In any event, no caftard should be under the impression that ETH will be here for years to come. He might, but after INEOS did what it did during those two and a half weeks it’s pretty clear ETH has very little goodwill in the bank with Sir Jim and others.
I don't understand your point, Manchester United's squad is inarguably better than Crystal Palace's.
What's confusing me is that I just read (paraphrased) "let's revisit this in six months to see if United are above Palace in the table as, if so, this will prove that ETH is the better Manager."
That's a statement in defence of ETH. It's an indictment of how far expectations have fallen.
Well you’re the one whinging saying our squad is on par to theirs.Big achievement. Fortunate to finish above Palace after they sacked their manager mid way though the season.
Big achievement. Fortunate to finish above Palace after they sacked their manager mid way though the season.
No whinging about it, I simply stated something I believe is true. I didn't say 'squad' either I said first XI. And I didn't say on a par I said not much between them. But nice try.Well you’re the one whinging saying our squad is on par to theirs.
So we didn’t do too bad then considering we finished 11 pts above them with playing our first 11 about 4 times all season.No whinging about it, I simply stated something I believe is true. I didn't say 'squad' either I said first XI. And I didn't say on a par I said not much between them. But nice try.
They sacked their manager and their key attackers missed far more of the season.So we didn’t do too bad then considering we finished 11 pts above them with playing our first 11 about 4 times all season.
Good job INEOS don't take you rubbish on board, we could have ended up with Southshite.A lot of the people defending ETH who are talking about the importance of having a good structure around him are simultaneously making posts in the transfer forum defending the fact that our transfer strategy this summer apparently continues to be manager-driven.
So which one is it then? Bit of cognitive dissonance.
Nobody in this thread, in or out, wanted Southgate to be hired. What a ridiculous straw man argument.Good job INEOS don't take you rubbish on board, we could have ended up with Southshite.
I have answered it, twice in fact.
This is a Ten Hag thread not a Rashford one.
You are spouting essays worth of waffle.
Can you give me a list of the problem players?
Agreed……it’s a struggle to think who would employ him….his tactical setup knowledge is div 2 at best.At least we don’t have to worry ourselves to death over Southgate getting the job as he’s doing a great job of showing Ineos why he should never be allowed near us.
Are people actually calling for the transfer strategy to be manager-driven? Or are there wild assumptions based on the targets? (Or perhaps your own straw-man argument here?)A lot of the people defending ETH who are talking about the importance of having a good structure around him are simultaneously making posts in the transfer forum defending the fact that our transfer strategy this summer apparently continues to be manager-driven.
So which one is it then? Bit of cognitive dissonance.
Death Taxes and Leftback99 bitching are the 3 certainties in lifeSo we didn’t do too bad then considering we finished 11 pts above them with playing our first 11 about 4 times all season.
Not calling for it per se, but defending it based on emerging targetsAre people actually calling for the transfer strategy to be manager-driven? Or are there wild assumptions based on the targets? (Or perhaps your own straw-man argument here?)
Gotta love it how it works. We are talking about ETH and how he was let down by the players. Then this happens.
I do. And then all I get is "muh Rashford", completely ignoring all the other players. And then "this iS a eTh THreaD".
And you still haven't answered what would happen with Rashford at other clubs like Liverpool or City for that matter. Same thing about ETH and Ole is not an answer btw.
But nice bit of gaslighting there. Thank you for showing your true colors.
It seems like me you don't actually think there is a culture problem at all, you think it basically all boils down to Rashford.
And you still haven't answered what would happen with Rashford at other clubs like Liverpool or City for that matter.
What I had wondered though is the Southgate links and I was thinking I could vaguely see a plan for why they wanted him. If INEOS have a 5 years plan (which they should), in year 4/5 Utd should be aiming for premier league titles and champions leagues. That’s 3 years of rebuild before we seriously compete. We can all see the culture at the club has been awful, England culture before Southgate took over was the lowest it’s been in my lifetime. Perhaps they see him as the guy to reset the culture as he did at England.
The football would be diabolical , results likely poor except for a cup run or two but what if we’re slowly buying some young talent and putting them into the New Southgate culture which they seem to enjoy, 2 years in it’s not worked with him And we have a good group of young players about to hit their prime with a clear managerial candidate to take over (e.g McKenna if he does well on next couple of years). That would make sense to me, can I accept 2-3 years of shite to be competing in 4-5 years , I could , I’d be interested if anyone else could ?
Way I see it is we’ve really been through 10 years of crap, why not have the patience to suffer a a few years if that’s what it takes to conpete again?
I’m not a fan of Southgate and hope he doesn’t get the job, just playing devils advocate and interested to see if folks would have the patience in that hypothetical scenario for a rebuild with Southgate at the helm
Remember when people said all Ole needed were some changes in his coaching staff to make up for his weaknesses.
Down the line we learn that it was his coaching staff, McKenna and Carrick, doing all the best work and keeping the wheels from flying off much earlier than they did.
Benny McCarthy, South African Striker turned coach, part of ETHs staff responsible for coaching out strikers. He also scored against us as a player, in that Porto tie which earned Mourinho the CL later on. Big Man Utd fan too.Who is McCarthy?
Benny McCarthy, South African Striker turned coach, part of ETHs staff responsible for coaching out strikers. He also scored against us as a player, in that Porto tie which earned Mourinho the CL later on. Big Man Utd fan too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benni_McCarthy
Unless those are the changes he wants, it's only going to end one way, in a disaster. You can't thrust a manager with a staff he doesn't want or believes in.
Benny McCarthy, South African Striker turned coach, part of ETHs staff responsible for coaching out strikers. He also scored against us as a player, in that Porto tie which earned Mourinho the CL later on. Big Man Utd fan too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benni_McCarthy
Edit: According to the wiki, he scored 2 goals in that tie against us.
Jose was never an elite player but did well as a managerHe was never an elite-level striker. Not sure why he got the striker coaching job.
