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No he wasn't Eb gave Andersen a lower rating. He wasn't lowest in BT either.
He had a bad game but not the worst of the bunch and he is not the reason we didn't win.
Much like United he was forced to fight cb's and it's just not his game. He needs to run channels but with how absurdly slow our passing and movement was that was never going to happen.
There where 8 separate instances where Kristiansen had about 5000 acres of space and was screaming for the ball, but every fecking time Højbjerg would either pass it back or into the feet of a pressed Hjulmand. He completely destroyed any momentum every time the ball got to him.
Thats true Andersen was lower in EB, I give you that.. But Højlund got 1 star and the lowest in BT.. And Højbjerg got 2... Both were shit..

It seems its everyones else fault but his, maybe it is just Højlund who is not that good
 

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Feck me, he's just 20/21, not sure.
Where is the Evan Ferguson people wanted us to spend 100m on?
Give him a bit of time.
 

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He was.

You said it right - he is a striker who runs the channels.

So how does that effect the inverted forwards?

Everyone blames the inverted forwards for not creating chances for Hojlund but hardly anyone talks about Hojlunds ability to bring other players in to play especially from out wide.

He is shit at it & it 100% effected Rashford that he had to play more with Hojlund (as you said a running the channel striker) than say Martial who plays different to Hojlund in many ways. Better hold up play, better first touch, better with his back to goal, can play very good passes and through balls to other forwards - Rasmus showed none of these things in comparison to Martial.

It's not just a one way thing. Rashford was shit for Hojlund but Hojlund was just as shit for Rashford.

And so far as history goes, Rashford's the better player so I'm more likely to blame Hojlund not getting the best out of Rashford than Rashford not getting the best out of Hojlund.
Why doesn't Rashford play better the games Hojlund didn't start then? Also most of the criticism around Rashford is when he doesn't have the ball he doesn't work hard enough (Nothing to do with Hojlund) and when he has the ball he won't get his head up and pass or cross but instead feels a need to try and take everyone on or shoot from distance (Nothing to do with Hojlund), there may be some difficulties posed by playing with Hojlund but the majority of Rashford issues this past season are caused by him alone.
 

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He was.

You said it right - he is a striker who runs the channels.

So how does that effect the inverted forwards?

Everyone blames the inverted forwards for not creating chances for Hojlund but hardly anyone talks about Hojlunds ability to bring other players in to play especially from out wide.

He is shit at it & it 100% effected Rashford that he had to play more with Hojlund (as you said a running the channel striker) than say Martial who plays different to Hojlund in many ways. Better hold up play, better first touch, better with his back to goal, can play very good passes and through balls to other forwards - Rasmus showed none of these things in comparison to Martial.

It's not just a one way thing. Rashford was shit for Hojlund but Hojlund was just as shit for Rashford.

And so far as history goes, Rashford's the better player so I'm more likely to blame Hojlund not getting the best out of Rashford than Rashford not getting the best out of Hojlund.
But that's not Højlunds fault. Blame the manager who has brought a player he apparently had no clue about how to use.
 

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Thats true Andersen was lower in EB, I give you that.. But Højlund got 1 star and the lowest in BT.. And Højbjerg got 2... Both were shit..

It seems its everyones else fault but his, maybe it is just Højlund who is not that good
No my issue is that you make it sound like it's his fault and he is the main culprit. And that's where I get annoyed.
The main culprit and the focus of danish ire should firmly be on the manager.
 

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I'm not quite sure what I'd do for the England game, to be honest. Switching him for Dolberg or Poulsen and expecting something better seems incredibly naive.
I don't know either. Normally we are quite good at exploiting teams that want to play on the front foot, but that isn't exactly how you would describe Southgates England.
I am not sure I love our setup in general.
The three at the back doesn't suit Andersen at all and it's not like Vestergaard offers much.
 

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Why doesn't Rashford play better the games Hojlund didn't start then? Also most of the criticism around Rashford is when he doesn't have the ball he doesn't work hard enough (Nothing to do with Hojlund) and when he has the ball he won't get his head up and pass or cross but instead feels a need to try and take everyone on or shoot from distance (Nothing to do with Hojlund), there may be some difficulties posed by playing with Hojlund but the majority of Rashford issues this past season are caused by him alone.
Interesting how you said this has nothing to do with Hojlund.

Rashford at his best never created shit for anyone - it was Martial or Bruno both centrally creating chances for Rashford to go on a run and finish.. But now he has to pass and cross.. Why?

Because we have Hojlund - a player that needs passes and crosses to finish.

Likewise Rashford needs Hojlund getting his head up and passing a lot more directly making accurate through balls than slipping on his arse every time he takes a first touch with his back to goal.

Those two don't interlink well on paper or tactically - & thats why i dont blame Rashford for his poor form.

His work rate is a different story but then we might aswell use Antony as a starter if it was the root cause of our problems.

Simplest way of putting it is that Kane was our Number 1 target & should have interlinked with Rashford as he did with Son. Hojlund plays in a completely different way to Kane so blowing 70 mil on him was just stupid because they are two different types of players completely.

Will Hojlund interlink as well with Son? No because he doesn't play anything like Kane does. Hojlund runs the channels whilst Kane drops deep or holds up play to pass in through balls as a main part of his game.
 
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Interesting how you said this has nothing to do with Hojlund.

Rashford at his best never created shit for anyone - it was Martial or Bruno both centrally creating chances for Rashford to go on a run and finish.. But now he has to pass and cross.. Why?

Because we have Hojlund - a player that needs passes and crosses to finish.

Likewise Rashford needs Hojlund getting his head up and passing a lot more directly making accurate through balls than slipping on his arse every time he takes a first touch with his back to goal.

Those two don't interlink well on paper or tactically - & thats why i dont blame Rashford for his poor form.

His work rate is a different story but then we might aswell use Antony as a starter if it was the root cause of our problems.

Simplest way of putting it is that Kane was our Number 1 target & should have interlinked with Rashford as he did with Son. Hojlund plays in a completely different way to Kane so blowing 70 mil on him was just stupid because they are two different types of players completely.

Will Hojlund interlink as well with Son? No because he doesn't play anything like Kane does. Hojlund runs the channels whilst Kane drops deep or holds up play to pass in through balls as a main part of his game.
Concede your point about him having to adapt his game is true and something I critique him for, however he hasn't adapted his game and he is still making the same movements so that's why I don't think we can blame Hojlund there, he isn't getting crosses in and we are saying "Why isn't he shooting like normal?" At least then we could say he is clearly doing what the manager wants and it isn't working, he is still playing the same way but having no output, he is not looking to feed Hojlund as you said so his output should be better.

100% Hojlund needs to work on his holdup play and that would benefit Rashford but he played with Weghorst last year who was good at holding up the ball so there's an area Hojlund needs to work on to help Rashford. I agree the 2 don't look suited to each other currently but sometimes it takes time to build something and first and foremost you need someone who is willing to work their arse off, have a good attitude and buckle down. This season Rashford has shown none of them with his lack of effort, constantly worrying about his PR with their statements and going out to the club the night before training, this is our top earner in the club compared to a 20 year old who has never played in the league before, I know who I am being more patient with.
 

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This is why i will never blame Rashford for his last season's performance.

Hojlund is literally a ghost to the players around him

Especially when playing inverted forwards like Rashford & Garnacho.

He has arguably not had many good performances for United either if you consider that scoring a goal is not a whole 90 min performance.

He's okay as a plan B but i never see him being top class.

It's got nothing to do with his age - sometimes you can just see 'it'.
Wow, wow, wow. I honestly don't know where to start debunking this.
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford can't dribble past a player for a whole season
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford went to Belfast and lie to the club about it
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford does not track back
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford for 3 seasons has been dribbling to a point where he either runs the ball out of play, or shoots at the player in front of him, but under no circumstances, he tries to assist
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford is not willing to take any physical pain and get into a duel, contest for a header, or got forbid does regular recovery runs
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford is sulking all year, with his body language all wrong
  • Hojlund in no way can be the excuse for the season Rashford had
Rashford's form started dipping toward the end of last season, once his purple patch was over. Hojlund at the beginning was making all the right runs, but he wasn't getting the ball where he should have from his wingers. And if my memory serves me right, Hojlund has more assists for Rashford, than Rashford for Hojlund.

And to top it off, Hojlund's being ghost, as you say, had nothing to do with Garnacho's good season, did it?
 

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Wow, wow, wow. I honestly don't know where to start debunking this.
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford can't dribble past a player for a whole season
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford went to Belfast and lie to the club about it
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford does not track back
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford for 3 seasons has been dribbling to a point where he either runs the ball out of play, or shoots at the player in front of him, but under no circumstances, he tries to assist
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford is not willing to take any physical pain and get into a duel, contest for a header, or got forbid does regular recovery runs
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford is sulking all year, with his body language all wrong
  • Hojlund in no way can be the excuse for the season Rashford had
Rashford's form started dipping toward the end of last season, once his purple patch was over. Hojlund at the beginning was making all the right runs, but he wasn't getting the ball where he should have from his wingers. And if my memory serves me right, Hojlund has more assists for Rashford, than Rashford for Hojlund.

And to top it off, Hojlund's being ghost, as you say, had nothing to do with Garnacho's good season, did it?
Garnacho has 7 goals & 4 assists in 36 PL games :lol: Someone said that United fans overrate Garnacho & i can get it now!If i remember right Martial was CF when he even scored his amazing bycicle kick.

Listen -
What's the difference between

David Villa-Lewandowski-Pedro
Vs
David Villa-Messi-Pedro
?

You can't blame David Villa for not creating chances for Lewandowski because he isnt that type of LW forward.
In the 2nd tactic instead of Lewandowski there is Messi in the middle - someone who can create for David Villa.

Lewandowski wouldn't play like Messi so will ultimately be one of the main problems of that front line - Lewandowski will do shit all for David Villa's game whilst David Villa will do shit all for Lewandowski game.

Its the same thing here:

Rashford-Hojlund-Garnacho
Vs
Rashford-Martial-Greenwood

Who is more capable of playing like Messi?

Martial or Hojlund? Its Martial.

Who is capable of playing more like Lewandowski? Hojlund or Martial? Its Hojlund.

Rashford is just a David Villa playing out wide whilst the central player is a Lewandowski.

The tactics are shit & everyone is blaming Rashford for his own downfall because he is 26 in his prime and living on a high wage whilst no one talks shit about Hojlund because he is our shiny new young signing.

If your going to talk about - oh its Messi then lets bring Benzema.

Ronaldo-Benzema-Bale
Vs
Ronaldo-Ibrahimovic-Bale

Who plays create chances more for Ronaldo or bale? Its Benzema, not Ibrahimovic.

We had the same problem with CR7 getting played as our central striker and even earlier when Zlatan was our ST.

Our only way of attacking meant getting the best out of CR7 at ST in Ole season 3 or Zlatan at ST under Mourinho and our attacks became incredibly one directional because we were playing with a one direction non creative Striker as our direct and only way to goal.

Its the same shit with Hojlund.

You can put Haaland up front and it would be the same shit with Haaland getting a few more odd goals because he is a better player but ultimately Rashford wont create enough for Haaland and Haaland wont create enough for Rashford.

Thats why Haaland is surrounded by creators like Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva, Doku, Rodri - because they play a one directional striker with all the service coming from all across the pitch.

Is Hojlund good enough to change our whole team tactic and find our own Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva to just get the best out of a striker like Hojlund.

No not for me - our deadliest attacks still come from out wide, whether its Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Antony or even Greenwood.

Proof?

Our wider players have scored 14 goals together with 6 assists whilst Hojlund has only scored 10 with 2 assists.

Trossard-Hojlund-Saka
Vs
Trossard-Havertz-Saka

Last question?

Which out of these two would be better and have more fluidity to their attacks alongside more creativity?

The answer is simple for me but lets see if you reply.
 

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Garnacho has 7 goals & 4 assists in 36 PL games :lol: Someone said that United fans overrate Garnacho & i can get it now!If i remember right Martial was CF when he even scored his amazing bycicle kick.

Listen -
What's the difference between

David Villa-Lewandowski-Pedro
Vs
David Villa-Messi-Pedro
?

You can't blame David Villa for not creating chances for Lewandowski because he isnt that type of LW forward.
In the 2nd tactic instead of Lewandowski there is Messi in the middle - someone who can create for David Villa.

Lewandowski wouldn't play like Messi so will ultimately be one of the main problems of that front line - Lewandowski will do shit all for David Villa's game whilst David Villa will do shit all for Lewandowski game.

Its the same thing here:

Rashford-Hojlund-Garnacho
Vs
Rashford-Martial-Greenwood

Who is more capable of playing like Messi?

Martial or Hojlund? Its Martial.

Who is capable of playing more like Lewandowski? Hojlund or Martial? Its Hojlund.

Rashford is just a David Villa playing out wide whilst the central player is a Lewandowski.

The tactics are shit & everyone is blaming Rashford for his own downfall because he is 26 in his prime and living on a high wage whilst no one talks shit about Hojlund because he is our shiny new young signing.

If your going to talk about - oh its Messi then lets bring Benzema.

Ronaldo-Benzema-Bale
Vs
Ronaldo-Ibrahimovic-Bale

Who plays create chances more for Ronaldo or bale? Its Benzema, not Ibrahimovic.

We had the same problem with CR7 getting played as our central striker and even earlier when Zlatan was our ST.

Our only way of attacking meant getting the best out of CR7 at ST in Ole season 3 or Zlatan at ST under Mourinho and our attacks became incredibly one directional because we were playing with a one direction non creative Striker as our direct and only way to goal.

Its the same shit with Hojlund.

You can put Haaland up front and it would be the same shit with Haaland getting a few more odd goals because he is a better player but ultimately Rashford wont create enough for Haaland and Haaland wont create enough for Rashford.

Thats why Haaland is surrounded by creators like Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva, Doku, Rodri - because they play a one directional striker with all the service coming from all across the pitch.

Is Hojlund good enough to change our whole team tactic and find our own Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva to just get the best out of a striker like Hojlund.

No not for me - our deadliest attacks still come from out wide, whether its Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Antony or even Greenwood.

Proof?

Our wider players have scored 14 goals together with 6 assists whilst Hojlund has only scored 10 with 2 assists.

Trossard-Hojlund-Saka
Vs
Trossard-Havertz-Saka

Last question?

Which out of these two would be better and have more fluidity to their attacks alongside more creativity?

The answer is simple for me but lets see if you reply.
This post is a complete dumpster fire, but I have to say that this bit is hilarious:
If i remember right Martial was CF when he even scored his amazing bycicle kick.
Check mate!
 

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I have to say I really hope he gets going abit this tournament because he was just too much in the periphery again for my liking. International football is the one occasion where you can show your own individual qualities and you often see a teams best player carrying the side in a way you don’t see at club level. Even at his age, if Hojland is the real deal I’d expect to at least see glimpses of that through an international tournament.
 

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Garnacho has 7 goals & 4 assists in 36 PL games :lol: Someone said that United fans overrate Garnacho & i can get it now!If i remember right Martial was CF when he even scored his amazing bycicle kick.

Listen -
What's the difference between

David Villa-Lewandowski-Pedro
Vs
David Villa-Messi-Pedro
?

You can't blame David Villa for not creating chances for Lewandowski because he isnt that type of LW forward.
In the 2nd tactic instead of Lewandowski there is Messi in the middle - someone who can create for David Villa.

Lewandowski wouldn't play like Messi so will ultimately be one of the main problems of that front line - Lewandowski will do shit all for David Villa's game whilst David Villa will do shit all for Lewandowski game.

Its the same thing here:

Rashford-Hojlund-Garnacho
Vs
Rashford-Martial-Greenwood

Who is more capable of playing like Messi?

Martial or Hojlund? Its Martial.

Who is capable of playing more like Lewandowski? Hojlund or Martial? Its Hojlund.

Rashford is just a David Villa playing out wide whilst the central player is a Lewandowski.

The tactics are shit & everyone is blaming Rashford for his own downfall because he is 26 in his prime and living on a high wage whilst no one talks shit about Hojlund because he is our shiny new young signing.

If your going to talk about - oh its Messi then lets bring Benzema.

Ronaldo-Benzema-Bale
Vs
Ronaldo-Ibrahimovic-Bale

Who plays create chances more for Ronaldo or bale? Its Benzema, not Ibrahimovic.

We had the same problem with CR7 getting played as our central striker and even earlier when Zlatan was our ST.

Our only way of attacking meant getting the best out of CR7 at ST in Ole season 3 or Zlatan at ST under Mourinho and our attacks became incredibly one directional because we were playing with a one direction non creative Striker as our direct and only way to goal.

Its the same shit with Hojlund.

You can put Haaland up front and it would be the same shit with Haaland getting a few more odd goals because he is a better player but ultimately Rashford wont create enough for Haaland and Haaland wont create enough for Rashford.

Thats why Haaland is surrounded by creators like Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva, Doku, Rodri - because they play a one directional striker with all the service coming from all across the pitch.

Is Hojlund good enough to change our whole team tactic and find our own Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva to just get the best out of a striker like Hojlund.

No not for me - our deadliest attacks still come from out wide, whether its Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Antony or even Greenwood.

Proof?

Our wider players have scored 14 goals together with 6 assists whilst Hojlund has only scored 10 with 2 assists.

Trossard-Hojlund-Saka
Vs
Trossard-Havertz-Saka

Last question?

Which out of these two would be better and have more fluidity to their attacks alongside more creativity?

The answer is simple for me but lets see if you reply.
Wow, you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. At no point, did I say who will have a more fluid attack. All I said is that you can not attribute the things that Rashford did or didn't do, to Hojlund, as most of them are in no way dependent on Hojlund. If you think that it's justified for a player to decide how much he wants to run based on who his partner is at the attack, oh well...

In regards to Garnacho, let me put you in a context you will understand. Garnacho went from a season where he scored 5 goals in 34 games, to a season where he scored 10 in 50 matches.

Rashford went from a season where he scored 30 goals in 56 matches, to 8 goals in 43. So you can clearly understand what I meant when I said Garnacho had a somewhat good season, not bombastic, but rather, a good season for a 19-year-old.

And please, for the love of God, use some kind of formating, your posts are extremely hard to read.
 

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He's got pace and can finish. That's half the job. Shame Solksjaer didnt have him for a year. Few better at the qualities Hojlund needs to learn.
 

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Hojlund is great even though he only had an average game. Just imagine if he's on form. How many goals will he score?
 

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I actually thought a lot of Hojlund watching Kane for England on Sunday, particularly the first half. Just really highlighted how the current trend in football is to isolate the CFs, particularly in these 'modern' setups. Kane's job being to 'occupy' the CBs and create space for creative players is actually extremely similar to Rasmus for us - drag the defensive line deeper to give Bruno some room to operate.

In theory it's sensible when your '10s' are the most likely source of inspiration - Bellingham and Fernandes. But in both cases that strategy makes the CF look pretty terrible.

Also playing 'back to goal' seems oddly more difficult with the current refereeing standards. Rasmus (and certainly Kane on Sunday) get fouled continously, in almost every interaction with the CB trying to come through their back, but nothing gets called anymore. Whereas if a CF breathes wrong on a CB and they go to ground, it's instantly a foul. The CF is supposed to be 'big and strong' when competing but also the defenders are 'savvy' and easily buy free kicks for nothing. Must be infurating.

Anyway, point being, I don't think traditional forwards are really compatible with a lot of the way football is going. Players like Jesus, Firminho etc are more suited to the way football flows. Madrid don't even play a CF.

I like Rasmus and think he's the least of our issues, but I do also think that we need a systems striker.
 

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I actually thought a lot of Hojlund watching Kane for England on Sunday, particularly the first half. Just really highlighted how the current trend in football is to isolate the CFs, particularly in these 'modern' setups. Kane's job being to 'occupy' the CBs and create space for creative players is actually extremely similar to Rasmus for us - drag the defensive line deeper to give Bruno some room to operate.

In theory it's sensible when your '10s' are the most likely source of inspiration - Bellingham and Fernandes. But in both cases that strategy makes the CF look pretty terrible.

Also playing 'back to goal' seems oddly more difficult with the current refereeing standards. Rasmus (and certainly Kane on Sunday) get fouled continously, in almost every interaction with the CB trying to come through their back, but nothing gets called anymore. Whereas if a CF breathes wrong on a CB and they go to ground, it's instantly a foul. The CF is supposed to be 'big and strong' when competing but also the defenders are 'savvy' and easily buy free kicks for nothing. Must be infurating.

Anyway, point being, I don't think traditional forwards are really compatible with a lot of the way football is going. Players like Jesus, Firminho etc are more suited to the way football flows. Madrid don't even play a CF.

I like Rasmus and think he's the least of our issues, but I do also think that we need a systems striker.
Hojlund has the general attributes that ETH likes for a CF in his system, though.
https://themastermindsite.com/2023/...-to-play-as-the-target-like-sebastien-haller/
 

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Hojlund has the general attributes that ETH likes for a CF in his system, though.
https://themastermindsite.com/2023/...-to-play-as-the-target-like-sebastien-haller/
If anything Hojlund seems to be more like the channel-running Moukoko mentioned in the article than the target Haller. You won't often find Hojlund dropping into midfield to link play so that someone else can make a blindside run. That's more like Zirkzee, who we keep getting linked with.

The only real similarity I see between Hojlund and Haller is their height and the fact they both score a high proportion of their goals with 8 yards.
 

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He needs time and shouldn’t be judged too harshly, which is why we also need an experienced goalscorer in the squad. Who is hojlund actually learning from?
 

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If anything Hojlund seems to be more like the channel-running Moukoko mentioned in the article than the target Haller. You won't often find Hojlund dropping into midfield to link play so that someone else can make a blindside run. That's more like Zirkzee, who we keep getting linked with.

The only real similarity I see between Hojlund and Haller is their height and the fact they both score a high proportion of their goals with 8 yards.
Unfortunately I've never watched Moukoko.. maybe you're right. I've only seen Hojlund highlights for Atalanta and Denmark prior to his signing and he seemed to drop into midfield a fair bit and also run the channels. I think we've seen him do it for us more often in the 2nd half of the season. It allows the likes of McT and Dalot a free run on goal by catching napping CBs with a route 1 ball.

Regardless, with his mentality and ETH's ability to improve young players, I am optimistic that he'll be able to improve on his movement, link-up play and finishing.
 

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I actually thought a lot of Hojlund watching Kane for England on Sunday, particularly the first half. Just really highlighted how the current trend in football is to isolate the CFs, particularly in these 'modern' setups. Kane's job being to 'occupy' the CBs and create space for creative players is actually extremely similar to Rasmus for us - drag the defensive line deeper to give Bruno some room to operate.
I was thinking this too. Harry Kane in his current form is one of the great holdup strikers. Just impeccable touch, remarkable strength and balance, cool head, incredible vision to know where to lay off even while wrestling a defender (but hardly allowed to touch him) and bringing a ball dead out of the air. Even though he was so closely marshalled by Serbia and struggled to have an impact, the individual touches and contributions he did have showed off prodigious skill.

Unlike so many on here, I don't think Hojlund is that bad at back-to-goal holdup play. I just think he's inconsistent. You could easily build a really impressive highlight reel of some of his hold-up and link-up play from the season just gone. You could also probably build a pretty decent blooper reel. But from a 20/21 year old in his first season in the country - and his second season of top level senior football - up against highly competitive Premier League defences, I think a bit of inconsistency is fine.

Yes, he also likes running the channels. Good, we have Bruno Fernandes, one of the best players in the world for picking out forward runs. But for me, Hojlund is a versatile striker. If people are perceiving that he doesn't click with our 'system', I think a) they're overrating the extent to which we were able to have any kind of system with the injury disruption and poor form all over the pitch, and b) it's not that he doesn't click, just that the system wasn't functioning very well.
 

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Wow, wow, wow. I honestly don't know where to start debunking this.
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford can't dribble past a player for a whole season
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford went to Belfast and lie to the club about it
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford does not track back
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford for 3 seasons has been dribbling to a point where he either runs the ball out of play, or shoots at the player in front of him, but under no circumstances, he tries to assist
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford is not willing to take any physical pain and get into a duel, contest for a header, or got forbid does regular recovery runs
  • Hojlund is not the reason why Rashford is sulking all year, with his body language all wrong
  • Hojlund in no way can be the excuse for the season Rashford had
Rashford's form started dipping toward the end of last season, once his purple patch was over. Hojlund at the beginning was making all the right runs, but he wasn't getting the ball where he should have from his wingers. And if my memory serves me right, Hojlund has more assists for Rashford, than Rashford for Hojlund.

And to top it off, Hojlund's being ghost, as you say, had nothing to do with Garnacho's good season, did it?
If I were Rashford, I'd make the authorities aware of this poster.
 

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Garnacho has 7 goals & 4 assists in 36 PL games :lol: Someone said that United fans overrate Garnacho & i can get it now!If i remember right Martial was CF when he even scored his amazing bycicle kick.

Listen -
What's the difference between

David Villa-Lewandowski-Pedro
Vs
David Villa-Messi-Pedro
?

You can't blame David Villa for not creating chances for Lewandowski because he isnt that type of LW forward.
In the 2nd tactic instead of Lewandowski there is Messi in the middle - someone who can create for David Villa.

Lewandowski wouldn't play like Messi so will ultimately be one of the main problems of that front line - Lewandowski will do shit all for David Villa's game whilst David Villa will do shit all for Lewandowski game.

Its the same thing here:

Rashford-Hojlund-Garnacho
Vs
Rashford-Martial-Greenwood

Who is more capable of playing like Messi?

Martial or Hojlund? Its Martial.


Who is capable of playing more like Lewandowski? Hojlund or Martial? Its Hojlund.

Rashford is just a David Villa playing out wide whilst the central player is a Lewandowski.

The tactics are shit & everyone is blaming Rashford for his own downfall because he is 26 in his prime and living on a high wage whilst no one talks shit about Hojlund because he is our shiny new young signing.

If your going to talk about - oh its Messi then lets bring Benzema.

Ronaldo-Benzema-Bale
Vs
Ronaldo-Ibrahimovic-Bale

Who plays create chances more for Ronaldo or bale? Its Benzema, not Ibrahimovic.

We had the same problem with CR7 getting played as our central striker and even earlier when Zlatan was our ST.

Our only way of attacking meant getting the best out of CR7 at ST in Ole season 3 or Zlatan at ST under Mourinho and our attacks became incredibly one directional because we were playing with a one direction non creative Striker as our direct and only way to goal.

Its the same shit with Hojlund.

You can put Haaland up front and it would be the same shit with Haaland getting a few more odd goals because he is a better player but ultimately Rashford wont create enough for Haaland and Haaland wont create enough for Rashford.

Thats why Haaland is surrounded by creators like Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva, Doku, Rodri - because they play a one directional striker with all the service coming from all across the pitch.

Is Hojlund good enough to change our whole team tactic and find our own Grealish, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva to just get the best out of a striker like Hojlund.

No not for me - our deadliest attacks still come from out wide, whether its Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Antony or even Greenwood.

Proof?

Our wider players have scored 14 goals together with 6 assists whilst Hojlund has only scored 10 with 2 assists.

Trossard-Hojlund-Saka
Vs
Trossard-Havertz-Saka

Last question?

Which out of these two would be better and have more fluidity to their attacks alongside more creativity?

The answer is simple for me but lets see if you reply.
Martial FC lives on.

Hojlund is a good striker he just racked up a reasonable tally for his first season. But, he is the wrong profile of centre forward for the wide players currently at the club. It's the same reason SAF dumped RVN for Saha, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez etc.
 

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@Lyng

Hojlund has been described as a channel running striker by some analysis videos and even by you.

Just so i understand the role better -

Could you let me know some of the greatest ever channel running strikers?

For example is Michael Owen one? Im not 100% sure about what channel running means and so don't know who are the GOATs of that play style.
 

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@Lyng

Hojlund has been described as a channel running striker by some analysis videos and even by you.

Just so i understand the role better -

Could you let me know some of the greatest ever channel running strikers?

For example is Michael Owen one? Im not 100% sure about what channel running means and so don't know who are the GOATs of that play style.
An easier way to describe them is probably that they are strikers that prefer to run at the defence rather than play with back to goal. Another example of a description is dribbling attacker.

Players like Preben Elkjær and Brian Laudrup fit that mold.
Id argue Henry was this type as well. Ironically he struggled at Juventus but Wenger made him in to an absolute world beater.
Owen is a good example yes.

Now you asked for some Goats. And there is no telling if Højlund even makes it at United at this point. But the last few games gave me hope, because he was used in the way I have described: running at defenders instead of with his back to goal.

Even if you are this type of striker you still need to learn hold up play and to be an aerial threat, the latter especially when you are as tall and strong as Højlund, which is what the coaches at United should be, and hopefully are, working on improving.
 

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Hojlund is still developing and for his age has quite good hold up play. He also has very good passing skills as shown several times this season where he should’ve had a couple of assists at least - both Garnacho and Bruno should’ve scored.
I agree with the poster pointing to the lack of free kicks in general. CB’s have fouled him numerous times, but because he’s big he often doesn’t get a free kick.

At the moment he is at his best when receiving a through pass while running towards the goal. His finishing is world class, calm and composed, but I disagree that he can’t play with his back to goal as well. He is still learning and getting better at it, but he’s already quite good at it, creating a lot of space for others as well. He’s on his way to becoming a complete striker like Kane, though time will show if he can reach his level. He is way ahead compared to many world class strikers at the same age, though.
 

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He's like the reverse Tom Cleverley when he first started making appearances for united. Everyone massively underestimates his ability and he seems to get worse in everyone's mind when he isn't playing
 

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I feel sorry for the lad. Having all that pressure in a dysfunctional club with very few chances. He should have been slowly bedded in but instead gets thrown in the deep end.

I personally give all new signings 18months to get used to the club/country before assessing their ability.

He's shown some promising signs but he needs support.
 

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I feel sorry for the lad. Having all that pressure in a dysfunctional club with very few chances. He should have been slowly bedded in but instead gets thrown in the deep end.

I personally give all new signings 18months to get used to the club/country before assessing their ability.

He's shown some promising signs but he needs support.
Exactly. And even considering the awful circumstances, he’s still done well in his first season. We need to get another striker in the summer to ease the burden on him.
 

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Watching him again and again and again, I just can't escape the feeling that he's a bit of a donkey. Great pace, that's for sure. Decent power. But his touch is rough (at best). He's pretty ungainly. He finds himself repeatedly in situations where 'he just can't quite sort his feet out' - is it a problem of anticipation or quickfire reaction, I don't know. He's certainly not the smoothest footballer you'll ever see.

I just don't know where you see huge amounts of goals in him at the elite level.
 

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Better second half but again not really influencing the game enough. Good pressing though.
 

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Apart from work rate and "good lad" vibes, I'm struggling to see anything that he's above average at or where there's massive potential.
 

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Thought he was better than the first game, but not by much. Some good moments in the first half, and some poor moments in the second.
 

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Our Danish Ghost Goal Yeti :(

Shame, i like his personality but sometimes it does feel like playing with 10 men & it did effect us the same way especially our forward line
 

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Apart from work rate and "good lad" vibes, I'm struggling to see anything that he's above average at or where there's massive potential.
Yeah I was 50/50 by the end of last season as to whether he was gonna make it at United or end up being stuck in loan hell until eventually being sold or having his contract run out.

His work ethic and personality coupled to his age gives him some leeway for patience, but I feel if he's not shown some form of tangible improvement next season I feel like he will have been a bust.