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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I don’t know enough about the commercial side of the industry to say for sure about the petty part but it sort of sums up my thoughts of TS. Great business and marketing, mediocre music.
While he does make some good points about the music industry in general, I think his main issue with this is that he loves Brat and hates Torutured Poets.
With that said, everyone should listen to Brat. Album of the year so far.
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The fact it says 249mn and then 2h49 really annoys me for some reason.
The very best thing about this thread is the angry ones who don't even know what they are in to.
You do realise that's not the same, right? Right?
It’s weird you have to convince people who get religious ecstasy watching a live football match that attending a Swift concert is a similar experience - except it’s cathartic and empowering and healing in a lot of ways.
They are angry that Taylor will never touch their tiny peepees.It's definitely a fun thread
What I genuinely don't get among the "haters" (for lack of a better word) in this thread is where the concern is. Popular thing is popular, but how does it hurt you? Are you concerned that all quality music will disappear in five years? Can you not avoid her, because she is constantly played on the radio? Are you annoyed that many people have poor taste? Or are you frustrated that her success is unwarranted?
I celebrated that Amad’s goal against the Dippers as hard as anybody else, I don’t grovel and cry whenever I see him later though.
There’s something surreal in watching young girls (and going by this thread, adult men as well) absolutely broke down in her presence, it gives off a pretty cultish vibes tbh.
It’s just joy, mate. If your Country won the World Cup, and then there was a celebration at a home stadium packed to the rafters with fans, you’d start to get near the sensation for these concertgoers. You also have to keep in miland there is almost zero bad behavior: no fights, no drunks, no vomit, no one trying to pickup other fans (average Age is probably around 18 or 20). It’s just joy, plus singing and dancing in a space that is largely free of the male gaze. Not sure why people can’t understand this.
So I've got to become a Swiftie to experience winning a World Cup? Think I'd rather just pretend I'm French tà.
I'm starting a new movement. I'm a Travisty.
The rest of us established this fact a few years back.
What on earth has any of that got to do with grown men screaming and crying watching a billionaire singing repetitive pop songs at a live show?
Plus you’re explaining all of this as though you’re talking to people who’ve never watched live music. I’m willing to bet everyone who’s posted in this thread has done so, multiple times.
I posted this as @horsechoker bait. You're this thread's horsechoker!
Do grown men really cry and scream that much, though? It's mainly something teens/young adults do.
If you're talking about singing along, then yes, that's something everyone can do. It's pretty standard to do that if you go to a concert of an artist you like.
I’m definitely not talking about singing along. Read back up through the posts to see what we’re talking about. It feels a bit mean picking on an individual so I won’t tag him in. There could be very personal reasons why any one individual loses their shit at one of her shows. But there does seem to be a trend of people sharing clips on social media of complete and utter meltdowns. Which is definitely a little weird and cultish (which was @InfiniteBoredom ’s point)
Alright. While I would say (the poster in questions experience) that's a common response for younger audiences it's quite rare for adults. I wish I felt so strongly about these kind of things today as I could do when I was 15 or so, but I just do not. I think that sort of genuine reaction to something should be cherished rather than being labeled cultish.
I'm fascinated by the crying to be honest. Was it at a lyric? "Karma is the breeze in my hair on the weekend" or a musical crescendo? Or just the shared collective experience with all the teens?
It was probably "Karma is the guy on the Chiefs" lyric. He's probably just thinking with his penis. It happens mate.
Honestly I don't think it's cultish, or necessarily to be cherished, I just find it inexplicable to be honest. I'm not confused by a man crying, it's just the context. I'm obsessed by music, and I work in the industry. There are lyrics that do strike a chord. But I've listened to a lot of TS and it's bland. I did see a connect when my kids were 12 or 13 but I've seen my teen daughters outgrow Taylor Swift, so I'm bewildered.
are you saying we shouldn't be doing this
The only issue there for me is the obviously premeditated recording and subsequent posting on tok tok. Performative bullshit.
Unless they knew the set list in advance (surely not?) how the feck did they know to have a camera pointing at her at the exact moment the song starts?
I can't speak for everyone, but I'd imagine it's less to do with hearing a specific lyric rather than the whole experience of being there with 60k people and singing along to songs that you love. I can see why people have strong reactions to that. Live music like that, at its best, is euphoric.
For me, it’s the complete disconnect between the type of music she plays and this apparent hysterically emotional response. But I’m at the point now where I think I really need to stop trying to get my head around why people like her music and just accept that they do.
Yeah, I get that. I get it more at football than music, (music is much more personal for me I think). But I still struggle. As it's the collective. I have taken my kids to gigs that they wanted to go see and I've never ever felt as far removed from being part of the collective.
Definitely a better thing than her music that’s for sure.
I’m confused by what this means. Maybe one of the angry ones like @Pogue Mahone can descriptor this mind-bending puzzle.
It's not weird for an adult to connect with music emotionally. It's weird to connect while surrounded by children experiencing the same connection.
Age and gender are important here for me. She 'spoke' almost directly to my daughters when they were 14 and 15. To them and in general terms about their lives, especially their aspirations at 15.
I would say it’s also weird to respond to that emotional connection by having a meltdown but maybe that’s just me. I’ve felt fairly intense emotions at plenty of live music shows over the years but never felt even close to hysterical (even while taking industrial quantities of mind altering drugs).
Isn’t it similar to a father watching something like Star Wars with their son and they both like it?
There is no end to her genius.
I think a degree of her appeal is the non threatening nature of so many aspects of her. None of her undoubted talents are intimidatingly good. She's quite a mundane megastar.
Yeah, hard to do anything about that. Some things you like, some you don't. There's a lot of bands I don't get why they're so popular but I just don't care enough because it's not really worth it.
Yeah. Mostly it confuses me if there are peers whose music you almost always like but they collectively have a band that you just don't click with. Of course I can't think of an example now.
I don't see why this would be weird. There's tons of stuff where this would apply.
U2 come to mind. Will never understand what anybody sees in them.
Really, when?
Something like Pokémon or Harry Potter perhaps.