At least there's somewhat of a split with the Ten Hag sentiment. Southgate is seemingly universally seen as a bad appointment.
Southgate replacing ETH? Yes or No?
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At first I thought there was nothing to this but maybe Ashworth thinks he can pull off an Eddie Howe type appointment
Yeh but if he wants that kind of hire with any backing from the fans he'll have to wait a couple of years for McKenna.
He is mediocrity made flesh. Big no.
I actually want to throw up, jeez I thought Ashworth knew what he was doing but seems not. Would easily be one of the worst ever appointments in the history of this club. FFS Utd he hasn't managed a club for 15 years and that was getting Middlesbrough relegated.
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No!
I don't want ETH being sacked just for the sake of being sacked if we don't have a proper alternative. And Southgate isn't one
I don't want ETH being sacked just for the sake of being sacked if we don't have a proper alternative. And Southgate isn't one
This reminds me of the Chuck Norris thread
I refuse to believe this is a possibility
I rather have Ole back over Southgate
Oh god are we waiting til after the Euros to announce?
Anyone wanting Southgate, needs to give their head a wobble, I could only stand 25mins of Southgate ball last night
11 of our so called top players being schooled by a makeshift team from Bosnia
11 of our so called top players being schooled by a makeshift team from Bosnia
This poll shows the love for Southgate
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.This thread is so stupid. A bunch of emotional posters getting rattled by a nothing Jamie Jackson tweet.
Southgate won't come here, chill out.
Southgate won't come here, chill out.
Feels enivetable. Lots of smoke. No statement on ETH yet. Awaiting announcement till after Euro's. You'd think the board would have sacked ETH by now or come out with something that he has full trust going into next season.
I think SJR is confident that England will finally bring home a trophy. If they don’t, then he’ll find a way to reframe it eg, Southgate is the man who took England further than anyone since Ramsey blah blah, and with his newly appointed staff he’ll be given all the backing and everything he needs to bring success to United.
FTR I’m not saying I want Southgate, but I do think he is - or has been - high on the shortlist, especially with him being matey with Ashworth.
Why after the Euros?
Southgate isn't high on the shortlist, and it's been reported that the link has been overblown because of links to Ashworth. It's lazy journalism that's easy to write and difficult to disprove. Right up Jamie Jackson alley.
I'd take Jose back before letting Southgate through the door
Jose? I'd sooner have Moyes back than Southgate, and I'm not even joking.
I really, really hope that we aren’t appointing him. It would be the fecking worst appointment and would just further confirm that we’re going nowhere and not winning anything major for another decade. Extremely bleak.
This thread needs to die a quick death.
We could keep ten Hag, re-hire Moyes or even have no manager.
All of them would probably be better than Southgate.
We could keep ten Hag, re-hire Moyes or even have no manager.
All of them would probably be better than Southgate.
Why is this thread alive again? Has anything actually happened to suggest we want Southgate?
To not put extra pressure on the England squad. Look at what happened when Real announced Lopetegui. They fired him and Spain went on to have a mediocre tournement.
I would genuinely just stop watching us if he was appointed. An utterly insipid managerial appointment.
I can't see how it happens now .
If he wins the euros , he's the first Englishman in 58 years to win a trophy . There's no way an Englishman walks away from his team that would then have a genuine crack at immortality in the upcoming main event , the 2026 world cup .
The other option , he fails at the euros and becomes available .
How do you spin that in a positive light ?
The only way these tickets sell , is with success . I think it has a very slim chance of becoming reality this year . If he wins the euros , I believe that increases the possibility he will manage us in the future after the 2026 world cup .
If he wins the euros , he's the first Englishman in 58 years to win a trophy . There's no way an Englishman walks away from his team that would then have a genuine crack at immortality in the upcoming main event , the 2026 world cup .
The other option , he fails at the euros and becomes available .
How do you spin that in a positive light ?
The only way these tickets sell , is with success . I think it has a very slim chance of becoming reality this year . If he wins the euros , I believe that increases the possibility he will manage us in the future after the 2026 world cup .
The 24 who've voted yes are obviously Liverpool fans.
Glorious failure. Bad luck. Plucky English undone by magical Mbappe or a rejuvenated Spain.
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yes, i would certainly find it difficult to pay money to watch Southgate as manager.
I don't think many people would take World Cup winning Deschamps as manager, Southgate winning the Euros is irrelevant.
I feel like some of the criticism of Southgate is over the top and that he actually deserves a fair bit of respect for what he's achieved in terms of placings and how he's managed the intense levels of scrutiny that come with his job. He's clearly a relatable and intelligent coach who has the backing of the players, which is no mean feat in itself. But a lot of the criticism misses a very salient point...
International football is a completely different ball game to club football. The nature of the competition, and the eclectic composition of the side, dictates that tactics will naturally be more conservative, such as those Southgate uses. You can't expect players who don't ordinarily play alongside each other to gel, so the style of play will naturally be more pragmatic. That is what you see with England. There's no frills because the manager recognizes that imposing a freewheeling style of play is not feasible within a limited timeframe, and with players who are most likely frazzled from their club campaigns. The more coaches meddle and try to innovate, the more likely it is they will fail.
Pretty much any side that has been successful in international football has played a cagey style of football. Italy have achieved so much internationally simply because a cautious style of play naturally suits them. Spain were also successful playing boring football, ditto Argentina.
International football is a completely different ball game to club football. The nature of the competition, and the eclectic composition of the side, dictates that tactics will naturally be more conservative, such as those Southgate uses. You can't expect players who don't ordinarily play alongside each other to gel, so the style of play will naturally be more pragmatic. That is what you see with England. There's no frills because the manager recognizes that imposing a freewheeling style of play is not feasible within a limited timeframe, and with players who are most likely frazzled from their club campaigns. The more coaches meddle and try to innovate, the more likely it is they will fail.
Pretty much any side that has been successful in international football has played a cagey style of football. Italy have achieved so much internationally simply because a cautious style of play naturally suits them. Spain were also successful playing boring football, ditto Argentina.
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Aside from his pretty horrible club management record, he called Ronaldo a cheat several times, got in Eric Cantona's face at Selhurst Park and had the temerity to get caught under Roy Keane's studs in an FA cup semi final
Just look at the players he had at his disposal and the teams England played during those competitions. He lost against the first decent team he faced in all of them.
He's tried Club management as well though and he was quite bad at it. His most notable achievement was relegation.
Also don't really buy this argument. I mean the argument in itself has some merit. It just doesn't really fit around being a defence for Southgate, unless you're very loose with what you consider successful.
My take is that losing a Euros on your home soil when you had probably the best squad at the time, were pretty much the only team who didn't have to constantly travel around Europe for all their games, and none of the other teams were even allowed fans at your games, is not a success at all. Then at the world cup England just went out vs their first decent opponent the exact same as at every other world cup.
I also think the same argument works against him here, because I do think international tournament management is a bit more simplified in that the main thing you can do is pick your best players/team and get them to work together. Which is why subbing off Saka for Sterling and basically ignoring Rashford all tournament was an extraordinarily dumb piece of management. I would stand by what I said at the time that the Sterling sub vs France bordered on unprofessional. Like a dad picking their son over better/more dedicated players. He couldn't even argue Sterling had been good in training because he literally flew home instead of attending the training sessions. It actually still annoys me now when I think about it. It was so dumb. Unbelievably dumb.
In summary he should be jailed
how about a 4th option of feck off!
There should be the option to send him to jail
Feck ya get in.
All in for Brexit.
All the English players sauntering around looking at the foreign players with a smirk (ya you aint getting in the side boy).
Love to see it.
All in for Brexit.
All the English players sauntering around looking at the foreign players with a smirk (ya you aint getting in the side boy).
Love to see it.
Southgate has won silverware compared to poch and potter….
I’d rather have Kevin Keegan I’d love it!
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