This would be strange. We'd have hired him for a role he's not known to be really good at just to deny him the role he's actually good at.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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It isn't a needless stick though is it? we've got a fecking nobody in Darren Fletcher who's suddenly a coach/sporting director/assistant manager/go-to between manager and players making decisions for the club it's a farce.
Ragnick's role (or lack off after this season) to one side what the feck is Fletcher doing at United? he's gone from gaining his coaching badges 12 months ago to being 3rd in command the club is a mess. Fletcher will be a major factor in the next manager being appointed whilst Ragnick probably wont even be at the club because the reported job he's been offered wont be accepted he will take a DoF role at another club, rumours today that Austria are going to offer him the national vaccancy.
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He’s better off just leaving and writing a book about his 6 months of hell at ‘the biggest club in the world’. He’s got no power, they won’t back or listen to him anyway so a waste of everyone’s time.
Most football directors are former players who when they entered the role had no former experience. To draw a very literal parallel Petr Cech holds the exact same position at Chelsea, do you intimately know his role and how he has done?
I bet he's not taking part in training sessions and getting yellow cards on the touchline whilst shouting out instructions to the players that's for sure. Imagine Cech pulling a 'Fletcher' with Tuchel in charge....yeah right.
smart man if true, seen up close what a facade the club is
Welcome to United under the Glazers.
Any stats to show that 'most' football directors are former players and had 'no former experience'. Michael Edwards, the highly respected Liverpool DoF, stopped playing years ago and had worked in player analysis at several clubs, before moving to same role at Liverpool, then ultimately becoming DOF. Emanalo at Chelsea also widely respected. stopped playing in 2000, then went into coaching and became Technical director at Tuscon in 2006, then joined scouting team at Chelsea in 2007. Progressed to first team coach in 2010, then technical director in 2011. Show me where Fletcher had any relevant experience at all for his role, any? Whatever he may become, its a joke to have given this job to Fletcher. Butt left under a cloud after proving himself as a youth coach. Fletcher should earn his position.
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Austria do.
Funny how he's come up against the same resistance as everyone before him since Fergie, but he's the problem
I mean if his job is just to give interviews about United and tell the obvious that everyone already knows anyway then it doesn’t matter if he is doing it while employed by United or the Austrian FA.
I actually thought (don’t know why) that he was brought for the much harder stuff such as actually helping United implement a new structure (in terms of recruitment, style of play, etc.). This includes convincing our board of certain changes. Of course they are not easy people to work with, if they were we wouldn’t be in this mess. But I thought it would be exactly Ralf’s role to (slowly) help with changes.
I actually thought (don’t know why) that he was brought for the much harder stuff such as actually helping United implement a new structure (in terms of recruitment, style of play, etc.). This includes convincing our board of certain changes. Of course they are not easy people to work with, if they were we wouldn’t be in this mess. But I thought it would be exactly Ralf’s role to (slowly) help with changes.
What we need from him is consultation regarding coaching quality improvement and assurance for the entire club to improve the academy coaching side, as well as access to key contacts for recruitment in the transfer market
The poster you're responding to made the comparison with Petr Cech who is the technical director at Chelsea. And he's been working with Marina Garanovskaia who is the person who was brought to Chelsea by Abramovich to head the football operations at the club. And even though she didn't come from a football background, she's doing a good job by all accounts, and Cech assists her.
And the likes of Edwards and Emanalo can't be compared to Fletcher because their remit is/was to oversee the entire football operations side of their clubs. Fletcher's role is different, and he's assisting on the football side of the club, similar to what Cech is doing at Chelsea. But it's important we're not confused by Fletcher's title and actually look into what his job description is. And for me Fletcher is a good addition that has the potential to learn and grow into a more significant figure in the future. Petr Cech, Sebastian Kehl and Marco Neppe are being groomed for bigger things at Chelsea, BvB and Bayern.
Ralfs not the problem, the players are the problem. Why is the dressing room divided? Seems to have happened since Ronaldo arrived.
last year finishing 2nd was decent season, this year shocking… why.
last year finishing 2nd was decent season, this year shocking… why.
He is not a superb manager, but is someone good at directing a club and identifying the problems (which he has done going by statements, its now upto board to listen and act).
I mean, if you're aware of our Board's past decisions it wouldn't be that strange
God I hate this club sometimes.
Ronaldo wants to win and expects the best from the team. We have a slew of players who clearly cant be arsed.
Are there really that many days of international break?
Cech is Chelsea's technical director just under a slightly different job title, point to where he had the relevant experience?
Monchi became Sevilla’s Sporting Director immediately after he retired as their goalkeeper.
Tixiki Begiristain retired, became a commentator and then 3 years later became the DoF at Barcelona.
Michael Zorc became sporting director at Dortmund immediately after retiring in 1998.
Hasan Salihamidžić retired in 2012 knocked around as a pundit and then became sporting director at Bayern in 2017.
Before going into management Zidane was appointed as advisor to the president at Real Madrid in 2009 and was one of the key decision makers alongside along with general director Jorge Valdano and sporting director Miguel Pardeza.
It's really quite a common occurrence that former players take up key roles in important positions in top top clubs.
Your comparison to Michael Edwards is akin to the journey and promotion of Murtough. Michael Edwards and the team he was a part of were in no way revered before he took that position.
I misspoke saying 'most', but come on, it's enough.
Fletcher's role is to oversee the connection and pathways between first team and the academy. It is telling that Rooney said that when Jose was there 'the distance between first team and the academy was huge, it was almost like the academy didn't exist'. So obviously that means there is a necessity for someone to manage and close that distance.
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Very well put, good post.
The fans blaming the manager are as delusional as the board who've fecked it up for a decade.
Finally, some sense. Thank you sir.
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I'm almost certain now that the players know whether they're the ones who're certain to stay past this season and the ones who're are not, obviously outside of the ones who's contracts are up in the summer.
With 8 'cup finals' to go, you'd expect, even with the complete disaster this season has been, that the players could restore some pride and actually motivate themselves for that precious top 4 finish, but no.
The only guys who are atleast putting in the effort are Fred, Bruno and Elanga. The quality is lacking in all 3 at times this season but I don't doubt the work ethic.
The others couldn't give a flying feck ! because they know they're out.
With 8 'cup finals' to go, you'd expect, even with the complete disaster this season has been, that the players could restore some pride and actually motivate themselves for that precious top 4 finish, but no.
The only guys who are atleast putting in the effort are Fred, Bruno and Elanga. The quality is lacking in all 3 at times this season but I don't doubt the work ethic.
The others couldn't give a flying feck ! because they know they're out.
Fletcher basically asked a few of his teamates
Massive respect for Rangnick and what he has done in short time at the club. Its been an almost impossible task with this toxic group of players and the constant media/social media leaks on pretty much a daily basis since.
He comes across a good guy, but has had his hands tied from day one.
Hope whoever the new manager is he gets authority to make decisions and isnt simply a puppet for the marketing model Man utd have become
He comes across a good guy, but has had his hands tied from day one.
Hope whoever the new manager is he gets authority to make decisions and isnt simply a puppet for the marketing model Man utd have become
Agree with this, however there could potentially be indirect leverage… those two owning 40% of the shares outstanding is a sizable amount and enough to cause a ruckus if they were so inclined. Normally those types of holdings come with a seat on the board and as such would be informed of succession planning when a CEO steps down. Most real companies have a succession plan in place for top execs anyhow, well before any turnover.
‘Not sure how we got here… I think it was in reference to how many of the decisions post Woody’s announcement are actually Arnold’s…
Sorry for asking, but what EXACTLY did he do ? Because I can't seem to comprehend what he did to make us better on the pitch, where it matters.
I get the fact that Utd are impossible to manage and all the other top teams out there are a piece of cake to manage. I get the fact that all we have are overpaid superstars, toxic viruses and other top teams have only professionals with an outstanding work ethic. I understand he is working blindfolded with his hands and feet tied, whereas other managers kick the door of big clubs, fill out a form with their demands and wait for their demands to be fulfilled.
I get the picture but I can't understand what did Ralf do right.
He had a contract at Lokomotiv. It honestly feels like the consultancy thing was just our way of reimbursing him for ending his contract in Russia, a way for us to pay him for 3 years instead of just 6 months.
A consultancy is rarely full time. I don't know why people imagined it would be full time. In his future role he doesn't need to be at the training ground. His role will be to advise the club on long-term strategy, and they don't talk about that every day. He'll likely be available one day a week to answer any questions, take on tasks they have. Then maybe fly into Manchester or London for 2-3 days once a month for a bunch of meetings to go over the progression since last month.
Leaving room for him to take on other roles at the same time.
Leaving room for him to take on other roles at the same time.
The board have brought in a long term specialist and asked him to deliver short term.
Poor planning again.
Not really. Rangnick can still be a consultant at United if he's coach of Austria's national team. A consultancy job can be done alongside almost anything else that's not all-consuming - and being the coach of a national team certainly isn't.
In fact, it makes sense that Rangnick is getting another job in the summer, cause if consultant would be his only work, he'd probably be sitting on his hands most of the time.
Not many people understand what consultants do and the time it affords. Football, like most sports, is all about duplication. What makes teams successful and how can we implement those success to our own ways/approach.
Ralf has more than enough knowledge and actual experience within the club to know where he's going to provide input to Murtough and Fletcher. And Fletcher has been sitting right next to Rangnick every single match, so there's understanding and continuity there as they go into discussions with Murtough and then EtH or whoever.
And Ralf being an international club manager allows him to scout players and opponents, which is always a good way to suggest or reference some under the radar players. It's a no brainer.
It depends a bit on the actual job I guess - but given United have a full hierarchy already, it wouldn't make sense if Rangnick would be doing this full-time.
It doesn't make sense for him to do it full-time and his ground work and intel gathering has been going on since December. He knows what needs to be done and can share that with the powers that be, then chime in throughout the next few months. It's up to Murtough, Fletcher, and the rest to accept and implement his suggestions/ideas. That's always the case with consultancy.
no worries And someone heard this conversation and decided to tell Ogden about it. Sounds like utter made up nonsense, as bad as our recruitment dept are.
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