Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[DSG]

Arnold wasn't in place until February 2022.

You really don’t know how corporations work, do you? Woody announced his departure in 2021 after the ESL fiasco. He had a planned successor and that was Arnold. Decisions for the Woody announcement forward would have required Arnold’s input, if not sign off.

Ralf’s appointment is Arnold/Murtagh’s feck up. 80m in cheddar (CL loss in revenue) on a 600m business is enough to get someone fired fellas.

I know this is a fan forum, but there are literally billions at stake here in market cap, please understand that sharks swim in these waters and they do not feck around.

 

[DRJosh]

No manager should pander to the toxic egos at the club. A manager has to be hated first before he is loved. Both Ralf and Ole seem to veer towards instilling peace rather than challenging the presiding system of player entitlement. Dropping a player or resigning him to the bench (as was the case with AWB) is only part of what is required.,

 

[Lost bear]

Call it like I see it.

Remember, the fellas running the the club are the same ones who hired Moyes, LvG, Jose, Ole and now Ralf.

Ralf’s been awful, worse than Ole. He is, in some ways, an innovator. But like most idealists, has issues communicating with the squad and naively assumes everyone sees things the way he does.

Ralf’s not a bad guy, he just isn’t good enough to manage at United.

‘Not good enough to manage at United’. You speak as though United is a great side. Jesus.

With due respect and all, I think of us whenever I hear someone say, ‘lads, it’s so and so’. Lads, it’s United…

Anyway, I agree with those who are saying that Ralf was brought in to assess the players we have now, whether there’s any prospect that they might one day become a team, and what the club needs to do in order to become a serious force again. He’s someone from outside, not one of Fergie’s old boys, and hopefully someone that the upper echelons of the club might listen to.

The one year fix- the win something this season- that option was Conte. Ralf is something different. Personally I’m glad we didn’t go for it with Conte. The rot goes deeper.

I hope I’m not totally wrong about all this.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He’s bang on about physicality. I swear our scouts much like this forum obsess over what a player does when they have the ball at their feet. Completely ignoring off the ball and the intensity/work rate/dynamism required to play to an elite level. Amad and DVB being prime examples. We can’t win the ball back. We have large periods where we chase shadows. You can’t sustain attacks if you can’t win duels. We have Mctominay and Fred the two players this forum shits on…and that’s it. None of our strikers can dominate centre backs, can run channels, do the hard yards. Bruno/Sancho constantly want the ball to feet, Elanga or rashford are the only threats in behind but they don’t make enough runs. Nobody presses with intensity - they constantly jog just to a set position. Outside of AWB our fullbacks have zero pace or any sort of engine and unfortunately AWB has no end product. Shaw will do a few runs and that’s it. Telles/Dalot are exceedingly average at every single metric there is. And then our CBs…if you want to play a high line I’m not convinced any of them suit front-foot defending. Varane and Lindelof like to sweep and contain, Maguire absolutely does not suit being isolated in wide areas. Plus we have a GK who never leaves his line. In short we’re nothing like the top teams of today - and it’s not due to a lack of technique which the experts on here think - it’s because off the ball both defensively and when attacking we lack intensity in our runs.

Here is Mourinho saying the exact same thing 4 years ago:

While he was correct, these are players he signed

Pogba - intensity wut?
Lukaku - let himself go
Fred - yes, he's got it
Dalot - not good enough
Lindelof - feeble
Ibra - decent for his age but what intensity can we expect?
Matic - excellent player who was on the downhill and soon to lose his mobility completely
Sanchez - our worst ever signing and again his intensity had dropped by the time we got him

 

[DSG]

‘Not good enough to manage at United’. You speak as though United is a great side. Jesus.

With due respect and all, I think of us whenever I hear someone say, ‘lads, it’s so and so’. Lads, it’s United…

Anyway, I agree with those who are saying that Ralf was brought in to assess the players we have now, whether there’s any prospect that they might one day become a team, and what the club needs to do in order to become a serious force again. He’s someone from outside, not one of Fergie’s old boys, and hopefully someone that the upper echelons of the club might listen to.

The one year fix- the win something this season- that option was Conte. Ralf is something different. Personally I’m glad we didn’t go for it with Conte. The rot goes deeper.

I hope I’m not totally wrong about all this.

You’re myopic buddy, and looking at this way too simplistically.

This is a business, just like Barca, Real, Bayern, etc. Missing out on CL is a disaster financially for the club and has ripple effects down to sponsorships, not to mention the loss of 80m in CL revenue.

Times have changed, and the club needs to decide if it wants to build an organization that wants to compete for top trophies year in-year out, no matter the manager (Real, Bayern, Barca, Juventus) or rely on a single person/manager to define its aspirations.

I agree we need to get away from SAF and the old guard, but the way to do that is through the Real Madrid model, not a RB Leipzig style of building.

Like Bayern, Juventus, PSG and even Real, we are the biggest club in our league. We need to use that pedigree for recruitment of managers, coaches and players. The days of a 25 year run as manager are gone. We need to look at 3-5 year plans because there is too much money in the industry. We can’t continue to lookfor the next SAF because that animal is now extinct.

 

[Greck]

Really shocks me how bad we are at general possession defending. When teams start running at us they always look dangerous. Parking the bus for 2 years really hid some ugly deficiencies. We are completely inept at defending in space. I don't doubt Ralf might not be the best but this team wasn't well built if the goal was to one day play attacking football. We really spent 500m rebuilding an attacking team that can only look functional with negative tactics. Especially the midfield, stocked with stiff palm trees that struggle to cover space with any kind of intensity. Our backline is also incredibly unathletic. We just always look stuck in the mud. The worst part is this lot are somehow outperforming the attack.

 

[MattJ166]

Real groundbreaking stuff here. Glad we hired him as a consultant. Just the same stuff the every pundit and Caf member has been saying for years.

What a clown.

Yes but there is a difference between saying what we need to do and having the nous to implement it effectively. In regards to whether RR is equipped to manage us long term then I think that answer is a fairly obvious no and I agree with you on that.

ALthough that wasn't his primary objective, he's been hired to assess the squad and then work behind the scenes on creating a solid foundation. I understand your point about us being the biggest club in our league similar to Juve, Madrid, Bayern etc but the only thing we have in common with those clubs are a big name, how our club is structured and ran is shambolic compared to our would be peers.

 

[Red the Bear]

Well I was cautiously excited (if that's even a sentence) when he got linked to using was looking forward to it but I feel it's safe to say that it's been an utter disaster, a failure on every front backed up by shameful boring football ( i at least expected a more modern exciting brand of football or at least an attempt to do so).
Seems that the Millan fans were right on their assessments, hopefully his true calling is in the higher up departments but even that seems to be jeopardized with the news that's coming out which begs the question, why bring him in in the first place?

At this rate keeping Carrick might have the more prudent option.

 

[diarm]

I'm not sure who's worse - the players, the board or some of the fans.

"Ralf is saying the same things we and previous managers have been saying for years - what a clown". Yeah - the same problems have been consistent for a decade and its the guy who came in 4 months ago who's the clown.

"He's been a disaster as a manager - get rid". We hired a non specialist manager, to come in as interim until a proper manager could be hired in the summer. The whole idea was that Ralf could get to grips with the job in hand and have a better idea of the big picture when he stepped upstairs to consult above the new manager. If we get rid of him now - that whole process was for nothing and the new guy comes in, to restart the exact same cycle with the exact same core squad of spoofers that have let down the last 4 managers.

"He should've started Rashford". An injury crisis doesn't negate several months worth of shocking performance, shocking attitude and enough PR spin to make Alaistair Campbell blush. Sometimes setting an example is more important than 3 points in a season that's already circling the drain.

"The players aren't listening to him anymore". Then get rid of the players - simple as. How many managers need to come in and say the same things until we stop giving them the benefit of the doubt?

I'm pretty much resigned to the idea that we're looking down the barrel of at least another 20 years of Liverpoolesque languishing in the wilderness, because I just don't see a route back under this ownership. I fully expect them to let Rangnick leave in the summer, to give lads like Shaw and Rashford new contracts and to start another bullshit cycle of half measures where in 10 months time, we'll all be arguing about how useless Ten Hag / Poch / [Insert Name Here] are.

The one glimmer of hope would come by keeping Ralf on in the role he was intended for, listening to his analysis of what it is we need and allowing him, along with the new coach to create a plan for how we move forward. Then recruiting players who fit that plan and ruthlessly shipping out those who don't. I'm talking cutting 12-15 players from the squad this summer.

It won't happen obviously - it's completely unrealistic. But in 10 years time, when we're looking back at another decade without a title, we'll all look back and say that's what should've happened.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

I just hope the board let the man do what he’s good at when he moves upstairs.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

I just hope the board let the man do what he’s good at when he moves upstairs.

When you hear that we're already writing down the new deals for the players before the new guy even sets foot in the place, you can guess that this will not be the case and they're just blowing smoke up our arses. Our restructuring will probably be as effective as a cabinet reshuffle. New faces, same agenda on the table.

 

[acnumber9]

The whole idea was that Ralf could get to grips with the job in hand and have a better idea of the big picture when he stepped upstairs to consult above the new manager.

No it wasn’t. He’s said himself that his job was to get results. He has failed.

 

[diarm]

No it wasn’t. He’s said himself that his job was to get results. He has failed.

If the sole idea was for him to get results, why wasn't he hired as permanent manager?

Why would a club like United hire a non specialist manager if they were after someone merely for results?

 

[acnumber9]

If the sole idea was for him to get results, why wasn't he hired as permanent manager?

Why would a club like United hire a non specialist manager if they were after someone merely for results?

Because he’s not their first choice and they wanted a manager who would be available in the summer and weren’t in December. Doesn’t change the fact his job was to get results.

 

[diarm]

Because he’s not their first choice and they wanted a manager who would be available in the summer and weren’t in December. Doesn’t change the fact his job was to get results.

It's Man Utd. If we'd really wanted to get Ten Hag or Poch, we could've gone out and done it then.

It made sense to wait until the summer because that is the best time to bring in a new manager and give him a full preseason. It also made sense in that we could bring in the guy we want to oversee the restructuring and give him half a season to learn the lie of the land.

Of course he said he was there to get results - what else was he going to say? But if we hire a guy who doesn't have a great track record as a manager but who we want to oversee things in a different position later on, and then sack him for not being a great manager - that makes us the idiots, not him.

 

[acnumber9]

It's Man Utd. If we'd really wanted to get Ten Hag or Poch, we could've gone out and done it then.

It made sense to wait until the summer because that is the best time to bring in a new manager and give him a full preseason. It also made sense in that we could bring in the guy we want to oversee the restructuring and give him half a season to learn the lie of the land.

Of course he said he was there to get results - what else was he going to say? But if we hire a guy who doesn't have a great track record as a manager but who we want to oversee things in a different position later on, and then sack him for not being a great manager - that makes us the idiots, not him.

Neither of those managers were walking out in November.

We aren’t sacking him though. What has that got to do with evaluating how he has performed and why he is here? If we only wanted him in the consultancy role we could’ve given him that right away and kept Carrick. We obviously thought we’d get better results with Rangnick. Do you think United made that decision without thinking what gave them the best chance of finishing top four?

 

[jem]

Eh… too lazy to post the numbers. Ralf is roughly at a 42% win rate, Moyes is next at 51ish, everyone else above.

Watching the shitstorm v Leicester on Saturday, lazy passes, giving the ball away, poor FB play, feck me, however bad Ole was, nowhere near as bad as Ralf. Most of that is match sharpness and manager/training related.

You can say the squad isn’t good enough, and that is true, but Ralf isn’t a man manager, he’s an idealist, and had no understanding how to run a top club.

So you think we were better in the loss to Leicester in the fall than we were in the draw last weekend?

 

[diarm]

Neither of those managers were walking out in November.

We aren’t sacking him though. What has that got to do with evaluating how he has performed and why he is here? If we only wanted him in the consultancy role we could’ve given him that right away and kept Carrick. We obviously thought we’d get better results with Rangnick. Do you think United made that decision without thinking what gave them the best chance of finishing top four?

I think if the primary concern was finishing top 4, we would've gone for a specialist manager with a pedigree for getting results in that role.

I was encouraged at the time at the idea we were willing to take a short term hit in order to lay foundations for long term success. Poor results in the short term haven't changed my opinion but the noises about new contracts for the likes of Rashford and Shaw, as well as rumours of Rangnick not being kept on or listened to, have left me feeling less optimistic.

Reactionary decision making has left us in the position we are in. We're never going to challenge again if we can't decide on a long term strategy and not shit the bed after a few months bad results.

 

[DSG]

So you think we were better in the loss to Leicester in the fall than we were in the draw last weekend?

We were bad in both!

I can’t for the life of me understand how people can’t seem to reconcile the fact that Ole wasn’t good enough AND Ralf isn’t good enough. The managerial statistics speak for themselves, we’ve seen the lackluster performances since Ralf came in. They rolled the dice with Ralf and failed. They backed Ole in the summer and he failed. They failed to get a DM in January and reportedly all potential signings were refused by Ralf because he didn’t want to bring in new blood until a permanent manager was hired.

It’s a complete shitshow. There is plenty of blame to go around: the board/Glazers, Arnold, Murtagh, Ralf, and the players…

 

[diarm]

They failed to get a DM in January and reportedly all potential signings were refused by Ralf because he didn’t want to bring in new blood until a permanent manager was hired.

Can people not see that he's right in this?

Bringing in a few stopgap players in January, when you don't know who the next manager is going to be and don't know whether those players are going to suit him, just so you can try and finish top 4 isn't smart leadership. It's exactly the sort of short termism that has left us where we are.

If we had brought in 3 or 4 players this winter, and they had been sat on the bench next year because the new coach didn't want them, the same people would be giving out about the poor direction of the club. If the transfer fees and wages spent on those players, meant the new manager wasn't able to bring in the players he wants in the summer, people would be giving out about not backing him and not building the squad he needs (or just calling for his head after 3 months and calling him shite).

Bringing in Ralf as an interim and announcing that he would be staying on in a consultancy or directoral role after the new manager was hired, is the first indication since Fergie retired that there is anyone at the club looking at the bigger, long term picture. It's 4 months into that strategy - he was never coming in as the next Ferguson or Guardiola, so stop shitting the bed and back the only guy we've had at the club in a decade who has a plan that goes along with what most of us have been saying for years.

 

[Lost bear]

You’re myopic buddy, and looking at this way too simplistically.

This is a business, just like Barca, Real, Bayern, etc. Missing out on CL is a disaster financially for the club and has ripple effects down to sponsorships, not to mention the loss of 80m in CL revenue.

Times have changed, and the club needs to decide if it wants to build an organization that wants to compete for top trophies year in-year out, no matter the manager (Real, Bayern, Barca, Juventus) or rely on a single person/manager to define its aspirations.

I agree we need to get away from SAF and the old guard, but the way to do that is through the Real Madrid model, not a RB Leipzig style of building.

Like Bayern, Juventus, PSG and even Real, we are the biggest club in our league. We need to use that pedigree for recruitment of managers, coaches and players. The days of a 25 year run as manager are gone. We need to look at 3-5 year plans because there is too much money in the industry. We can’t continue to lookfor the next SAF because that animal is now extinct.

Well, I was not arguing for a new Fergie. Or someone who will stay for many years. That's probably not necessary, and I didn't say that it was. I too think that we need to consign the old model to history, though the club is still shot through with nostalgia and sentimentalism.

All I said, and your post has done nothing to change my mind, is that there is a clash between a one-season guy like Conte, who could probably kick the players up the ass and motivate them, and a slower but more lasting rebuild. 3-5 years is OK, though I'd go for 5 rather than 3. Not sure how any of that makes me 'myopic'. Or, tbh, what exactly you think we're arguing about.

 

[Kellyiom]

I hate lumping every player in they have given up. Pogba has given up whenever he's felt like it over the last number of years. I think most players try. Fewer play intelligently and some seem utterly lost at times.

I'd love to be positive but they must understand that if they follow the manager's instructions, it's fine, it's his fault then.

They must all surely have been explicitly told what to do and when they haven't, it's investigated and practiced in training?

Being half committed is a great way to get injured anyway so I hope Ralf is making detailed reports to the shareholders about how their assets are inhibiting growth.

Urgent action is required to avoid negative consequences as we're on the cusp of no PL for a decade and these things have a tendency to linger.

 

[SirReginald]

I just hope the board let the man do what he’s good at when he moves upstairs.

Its going to take more than his 18 months if he was allowed to fix everything.

Spoken to death but there are players that need to go.

Coaching standards need to improve, whether to train the coaches or replace them. It’s not going to change unless you have competent coaching.

Diets and lifestyles need to change.

I don’t know if it’s still the same but I remember a few years ago that there was reports your academy is no longer appealing and behind in a lot of things like recruiting and training. Losing out to city for local boys etc

board needs a drastic rethink on its structure , goals and funding.

You are clearly the biggest team but you can’t live off your name and throwing money at the fire has only made it spread. You scream incompetent and it’s sad. This is major, it’s going to be longer than a season or 2.

 

[DSG]

Can people not see that he's right in this?

Bringing in a few stopgap players in January, when you don't know who the next manager is going to be and don't know whether those players are going to suit him, just so you can try and finish top 4 isn't smart leadership. It's exactly the sort of short termism that has left us where we are.

If we had brought in 3 or 4 players this winter, and they had been sat on the bench next year because the new coach didn't want them, the same people would be giving out about the poor direction of the club. If the transfer fees and wages spent on those players, meant the new manager wasn't able to bring in the players he wants in the summer, people would be giving out about not backing him and not building the squad he needs (or just calling for his head after 3 months and calling him shite).

Bringing in Ralf as an interim and announcing that he would be staying on in a consultancy or directoral role after the new manager was hired, is the first indication since Fergie retired that there is anyone at the club looking at the bigger, long term picture. It's 4 months into that strategy - he was never coming in as the next Ferguson or Guardiola, so stop shitting the bed and back the only guy we've had at the club in a decade who has a plan that goes along with what most of us have been saying for years.

Let me see if I understand what you are saying:
* Ralf is here to guide the recruitment of the club and build a philosophy which will then start a new era with the help of the new manager
* although he was hired to do this, he decided he didn’t want to bring reinforcements in during the January window because it was possible the new manager wouldn’t want those players

???

If the Ralf/Murtagh/Fletcher triumvirate was the group setting up transfer criteria and identifying new recruits, wouldn’t they be able to find the players we need that fit their desired attributes as well as be useful to the incoming manager? It’s not like we’ve asked them to build a colony on Mars mate. 80m in CL revenue up for grabs, which, if you don’t have it, will affect your rebuild anyhow…

I think their “strategy” was to have Ralf improve the on field performance, make top 4, find our permanent manager, then build further in the summer with the new manager. Ralf and the team have failed on one and two which will affect 3 and 4.

I think we will see Ralf being less involved, perhaps even out of the picture completely by the end of the summer. And if so, all this was completely stupid and unnecessary.

 

[diarm]

Let me see if I understand what you are saying:
* Ralf is here to guide the recruitment of the club and build a philosophy which will then start a new era with the help of the new manager
* although he was hired to do this, he decided he didn’t want to bring reinforcements in during the January window because it was possible the new manager wouldn’t want those players

???

If the Ralf/Murtagh/Fletcher triumvirate was the group setting up transfer criteria and identifying new recruits, wouldn’t they be able to find the players we need that fit their desired attributes as well as be useful to the incoming manager? It’s not like we’ve asked them to build a colony on Mars mate. 80m in CL revenue up for grabs, which, if you don’t have it, will affect your rebuild anyhow…

I think their “strategy” was to have Ralf improve the on field performance, make top 4, find our permanent manager, then build further in the summer with the new manager. Ralf and the team have failed on one and two which will affect 3 and 4.

I think we will see Ralf being less involved, perhaps even out of the picture completely by the end of the summer. And if so, all this was completely stupid and unnecessary.

I would hope that Ralf was brought in to bring the club into the 21st century. That doesn't mean he's there to make every decision - but to put guidelines in place to support the managers on whose philosophy playing style, transfers, tactic etc will be based around. His role will be to ensure there is joined up thinking throughout the club.

It's not up to Ralf/Murtagh/Fletcher to set up transfer criteria or identify new recruits before we have even decided on who the new manager is going to be. Those decisions will have very different answers depending one whether or not it's Ten Hag, or Pochettino, or somebody else who comes in as manager.

Criticising Rangnick for not being omnipotent and deciding on what players and style that manager will need before he's even been decided upon is stupid.

I fear your last sentence as well, and totally agree that the whole process would've been stupid and unnecessary if we weren't going to see it through. If the clubs strategy was to judge Ralf on short term results, as though he was the sort of manager he has never been, and not on the longer term "consultancy role" for which he was announced, then absolutely nothing has changed and we deserve the next few decades in the wilderness that are ahead of us.

 

[jem]

We were bad in both!

I can’t for the life of me understand how people can’t seem to reconcile the fact that Ole wasn’t good enough AND Ralf isn’t good enough. The managerial statistics speak for themselves, we’ve seen the lackluster performances since Ralf came in. They rolled the dice with Ralf and failed. They backed Ole in the summer and he failed. They failed to get a DM in January and reportedly all potential signings were refused by Ralf because he didn’t want to bring in new blood until a permanent manager was hired.

It’s a complete shitshow. There is plenty of blame to go around: the board/Glazers, Arnold, Murtagh, Ralf, and the players…

maybe but you said it was nowhere near as bad under Ole, and that’s ridiculous.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Its going to take more than his 18 months if he was allowed to fix everything.

Spoken to death but there are players that need to go.

Coaching standards need to improve, whether to train the coaches or replace them. It’s not going to change unless you have competent coaching.

Diets and lifestyles need to change.

I don’t know if it’s still the same but I remember a few years ago that there was reports your academy is no longer appealing and behind in a lot of things like recruiting and training. Losing out to city for local boys etc

board needs a drastic rethink on its structure , goals and funding.

You are clearly the biggest team but you can’t live off your name and throwing money at the fire has only made it spread. You scream incompetent and it’s sad. This is major, it’s going to be longer than a season or 2.

Oh I’m under no illusions the scale of the rebuild required at Utd, we need a complete reset. I don’t expect us to win the title in the next 5 years but if they let Rangnick have a proper influence in making football decisions in the 2 years he is here I’ll be a lot more confident we’re building a solid foundation to push on and win trophies in the future.

 

[DSG]

maybe but you said it was nowhere near as bad under Ole, and that’s ridiculous.

If you include all of Ole’s tenure, then Ole outperformed Ralf. If you are saying just this season, then they are very close, Ralf at 42% win percentage Ole at 41%. This has been posted and reposted, just look 5-10 pages back.

Anyway, it’s irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that Ralf isn’t the answer as a manager mate.

 

[Red4Ever]

So you think we were better in the loss to Leicester in the fall than we were in the draw last weekend?

yes we were

there’s a difference between getting tonked consecutively by Leicester watford city & liverpool & by drawing with Leicester

as bad as it’s been it was worse in November

 

[Mickeza]

Its going to take more than his 18 months if he was allowed to fix everything.

Spoken to death but there are players that need to go.

Coaching standards need to improve, whether to train the coaches or replace them. It’s not going to change unless you have competent coaching.

Diets and lifestyles need to change.

I don’t know if it’s still the same but I remember a few years ago that there was reports your academy is no longer appealing and behind in a lot of things like recruiting and training. Losing out to city for local boys etc

board needs a drastic rethink on its structure , goals and funding.

You are clearly the biggest team but you can’t live off your name and throwing money at the fire has only made it spread. You scream incompetent and it’s sad. This is major, it’s going to be longer than a season or 2.

You keep running round this forum saying how fecked we are - we’ve finished ahead of Chelsea 3 of the last 4 seasons ffs. You spend just as much as we do. Yet marina is incredible and we’re the most incompetent outfit in sports. Absolute bonkers how black and white people think everything is.

 

[Mercurial]

If the sole idea was for him to get results, why wasn't he hired as permanent manager?

Why would a club like United hire a non specialist manager if they were after someone merely for results?

Isn't he a specialist in gegenpress? We hired a gegenpress specialist (about as specialized as you can be) but our players sharted their pants fast and their awful effort left us all wanting... In addition players are compromising their employer by loosing out on top4 with all the negative spirals that brings. If RR recommends an overhaul to excise players out of the squad and clean up the attitudes then our board will shart themselves too since that's the most expensive option. Salary budget is probably not purchase budget. Our owners rater keep crap than dip into coffers to buy new for this reason.

 

[jem]

yes we were

there’s a difference between getting tonked consecutively by Leicester watford city & liverpool & by drawing with Leicester

as bad as it’s been it was worse in November

I think we are agreeing with each other here...

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

You really don’t know how corporations work, do you? Woody announced his departure in 2021 after the ESL fiasco. He had a planned successor and that was Arnold. Decisions for the Woody announcement forward would have required Arnold’s input, if not sign off.

Ralf’s appointment is Arnold/Murtagh’s feck up. 80m in cheddar (CL loss in revenue) on a 600m business is enough to get someone fired fellas.

I know this is a fan forum, but there are literally billions at stake here in market cap, please understand that sharks swim in these waters and they do not feck around.

Sharks do swim in those waters and Ed Woodward is a big one, the kind of guy who would never defer to a subordinate while remaining in his role at the top of the house. He might have asked for input from Arnold but the final call would be his. After seven or eight years of mismanged transtions why do think it would be handled differently now?

I pointed this out because stating that Woodward wasn't the guy calling the shots while he was CEO detracts from your arguments. I'm happy to be proved wrong here but the onus will be on you to show that Arnold was signing the cheques and not Ed.

 

[clarkydaz]

You really don’t know how corporations work, do you? Woody announced his departure in 2021 after the ESL fiasco. He had a planned successor and that was Arnold. Decisions for the Woody announcement forward would have required Arnold’s input, if not sign off.

Ralf’s appointment is Arnold/Murtagh’s feck up. 80m in cheddar (CL loss in revenue) on a 600m business is enough to get someone fired fellas.

I know this is a fan forum, but there are literally billions at stake here in market cap, please understand that sharks swim in these waters and they do not feck around.

how much money has Ed burned in the last 9 years, he had to walk as they wouldnt even consider firing him. Lets not make out this is a meticulous, cut throat well run corporation

 

[Red4Ever]

I think we are agreeing with each other here...

Ooopps my bad!

 

[jem]

If you include all of Ole’s tenure, then Ole outperformed Ralf. If you are saying just this season, then they are very close, Ralf at 42% win percentage Ole at 41%. This has been posted and reposted, just look 5-10 pages back.

Anyway, it’s irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that Ralf isn’t the answer as a manager mate.

Apples and oranges. I never expected Ralf to be the answer at manager. What I did expect was for him to be given the license to properly assess the squad for the next manager., which doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[GaryLifo]

I think hiring Ragnick was the first sensible thing this club has done since Ferguson retired.

While I'm sure they'd have liked, him to get top 4, I think they were more interested in what he can bring in terms of appraising the squad and the football set up during his half season, then advising on what needs putting in place and how best to do it.

 

[stevoc]

Apples and oranges. I never expected Ralf to be the answer at manager. What I did expect was for him to be given the license to properly assess the squad for the next manager., which doesn't appear to be the case.

How does that work exactly?

Surely the next manager will have his own ideas and form his own opinions on the squad first hand when he takes over. A lot of people really seem to have overestimated what Ralf's role at United will be post season, he was never stated to be taking up a DOF type role.

 

[Sanchez7]

Saw this coming as Ralf would have demanded a meritocracy based system that would threaten and question the jobs of the clowns incharge right now. Expect more nepotism, strategical errors and underperformance in the future with these guys incharge.

Further evidence

 

[L1nk]

People saw it coming a mile away, that initial positivity from the hire all gone, people were right to be skeptical. Same old shit from this club