Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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I genuinely don't understand the wailing and gnashing of teeth on here over yesterday. We played well, and should have taken our chances and there were periods in the game where our inexperience showed. But we did play well. When their keeper is getting MOTM, you know that it just isn't going to be your day. I'd understand the emotional responses to the game if we were flat like we were against Copenhagen or Lask, but I thought for decent stretches of the match we were more than decent.

Also I'd rather they learned from these mistakes and missed opportunities now, than have a rude awakening in the CL next season and tbh, I think a trophy might well have papered over the cracks (as much as I would have loved Ole to have won one this season). Klopp had two golden opportunities in his first season to win something and proceeded to lose both of them as well. Shit happens.

I’m with you, let’s forget the FA cup, Ole made the decision to okay a weaker team to decide 3rd it worked. Can you imagine if we won the FA cup and finished 5th.

The first half of the season was a disaster but it’s not Ole’s fault, Pogba was injured and we had no creative quality in the midfield. Fred and McT did well but not creatively. Fernandez came in and the spark was lit. We’ve arguably been the best team in the country since. We beat all the top teams where no one thought we could. Since the restart our strikers have been great, except maybe Rashford but he has remember had a bad injury.
Ole has cleared so much dead wood and still is, Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Darmian, Young, Valencia. I expect Jones, Rojo and Lingard are next.
We have one of the lowest age squads in the league now. His signings have all worked, I know people are bashing AWB and Maguire but the stats speak say differently.
Most importantly we are playing attacking football, the players look happy for the first time since Fergie and the feel good factor is there.

A few things to remember, we do not have the strength in depth of City or Pool, we have played 63 games, they had much more European experience in that squad, we played well but didn’t take our chances, that team finished in the same amount of points as Athletico Madrid in 3rd.
Lastly please remember how many years it took Klopp, success takes time.
 
His goal this season was to get back into the CL and improve the squad. It was to match Jose's first season in that respect and he's done that.

Next season we'll need to fall into title contenders and only fall significantly short due to another team excelling.

We've got a better team than any other post SAF manager so there can be no excuses. Although some will make them I'm sure. Personally I don't think he'll be good enough (which shouldn't be a surprise) but he's earned the chance to prove himself so we'll see.

We've improved bit by bit with every manager despite ups and downs, if it's not destined to be Ole someone else will pick up a title ready team next season. People focus on the manager too much as if the entire project is over with him.
 
Other than the semi final thing (which is too much in the lap of the gods), I don't think that's unreasonable, or indeed unlikely, looking at our form once things clicked last season.
I wouldn't be as optimistic but I do think it's possible.
Well you said he hasnt bought well? So we have 2 players who are brilliant ? James was always a squad player for £15m.

Okay, what are the potential cheaper options to Maguire? Ake for £40m? De Ligt for £70m?

Do you want me to show you AWB stats?

So 3/4 signings have come off and he hasnt bought well?
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I said Bruno was a great signing and the others weren't. That's 1 of 4. You may think they were but I don't ergo I don't think he has, overall, been very good in the market so far.

Being an improvement on the disastrous previous managers is hardly much of a compliment, but.. it's a start, I guess.

I won't bother to discuss anymore with someone who keeps telling me I'm saying stuff I didn't.
 
I wouldn't be as optimistic but I do think it's possible.

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I said Bruno was a great signing and the others weren't. That's 1 of 4. You may think they were but I don't ergo I don't think he has, overall, been very good in the market so far.

Being an improvement on the disastrous previous managers is hardly much of a compliment, but.. it's a start, I guess.

I won't bother to discuss anymore with someone who keeps telling me I'm saying stuff I didn't.

We had the worst defensive record in the top 9 last season, be best in Europe this season.
 
If we don't win a trophy next season, he should be off. Has done a good job so far, but not sure he is the one to take us to the next level.

So if we were to change managers, would you also want him sacked if we don't win anything next season?
 
I think Ole has done well this season considering, but please, any staunch fans of Ole, answer this question, would any club that considers themselves a top club in the game of football, approach Ole for the managers job, pre United, or even now?
 
I think Ole has done well this season considering, but please, any staunch fans of Ole, answer this question, would any club that considers themselves a top club in the game of football, approach Ole for the managers job, pre United, or even now?

No. But answer this for me.

Would any club have offered Zidane the job?
Would any club have offered Pirlo the job?
Would any top club have offered Arteta a job?
Frank Lampard even?

It just goes to show the lack of really top quality managers out there.
 
I'm all in for Ole being backed in the next 2 transfer windows. But he needs to manage games much faster. Not trusting the bench is not an excuse for not making changes or making them late in the game.

Either you rest 1, 2 players (say greenwood and rashford) and start the bench players (say Mata or Ighalo) but bring them in as subs to impact the game against tired legs.
He did well to start Fred instead of Matic yesterday. But why is Rashford still starting and playing more than 80 minutes when he has been so poor now for 4-5 games.

His big game management has been very poor lately when we are expected to win games and are not the underdogs anymore. Either make changes to the shape or bring in substitutes much earlier.
That is the complain I have against Ole.
 
I couldn't believe it when I read that... Such utter bollocks.
I sympathize with you. To cope you need to ignore the dimwits lurking over here.
They pretend they re experts when in reality they re simply clueless.
 
So if we were to change managers, would you also want him sacked if we don't win anything next season?
End goal is to win trophies eventually. If they next manager doesn't show the ability to win trophies, yes he should be gone as well.
 
No. But answer this for me.

Would any club have offered Zidane the job?
Would any club have offered Pirlo the job?
Would any top club have offered Arteta a job?
Frank Lampard even?

It just goes to show the lack of really top quality managers out there.

Time has changed pal... The current top 3 managers (Zidane, Pep, Klopp) all started managing their own club without any glamorous title or reputation...

There is nothing to suggest Ole cannot be the 4th one.. Though Man UTD is a bit tricky as the manager has to be a DOF as well... I am thinking Ole could move on to be DOF later on... He has such a high EQ and eye for talent.
 
I sympathize with you. To cope you need to ignore the dimwits lurking over here.
They pretend they re experts when in reality they re simply clueless.
Cheers, after a defeat this place is an abomination. As discussed in another thread.
 
Wtf are you on about? You act as if results don't matter when they clearly do.
Playing the best football in the world but still getting relegated is still getting relegated.

Did you have that same opinion when we completely outplayed Spurs under Mourinho and lost 3-0? No, you didn't, did you?

A lot of people have made good points for Ole not being good enough, in the same way that a lot of people have made good points that he is right for the role.


On this "young" nonsense, I'd rather trust the opinions of any young person than of the older generations that have consistently fecked up the world. So being old gives you less credibility.

I can’t understand what is your point. Results matter, but the context also matters.

Getting 3rd place is the result of the season.

A good progress in squad structure, atmosphere, good defensive record, youngsters turning into established first team stats, improving quality of transfers. Context. So, even if we got 5th, the context is still good.

Mourinho results were much better than the team progress. His job is about the results. He is a short term solution. Never supported him.

Young people tend to be maximalists and have hate/love perception of life. I’m 41, not old by all means. But for a 16 year kid, yeah, I’m ancient.
 
So we're going to be replacing managers every 12-18 months? Great.
We appointed Ole 18 months ago, is it really unrealistic to ask for a trophy 30 months in charge at a club of United's size? Is it wrong to expect big things from United now?
 
And what did you see yesterday ? This wasn't a mediocre team in the Premier League we played against, it was a team that right now in terms of form - is the best team in Spain. And we created enough chances to score 4-5 goals - we didn't and that of course wasn't good enough, and we made 2 horrible mistakes defensively - and that is not good enough - but we should have won. 4 times out of 5 - we win this game.
its not like we were very good against the average PL sides. We struggled against some of them too. I'm not looking for the instant gratification of winning titles, I'm ready to wait 3-4 years but I feel that OGS is not up to the task and we are just wasting time. I know my feelings aren't worth much, I simply can't shake that feeling about OGS.
 
Support Watford then :)
So it's knee jerky for a United fan to expect a trophy within 2.5 years of a managers tenure? Mind boggling how far fans expectations have fallen. LvG and Mou both did it btw.
 
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I think Ole has done well this season considering, but please, any staunch fans of Ole, answer this question, would any club that considers themselves a top club in the game of football, approach Ole for the managers job, pre United, or even now?
No, but so what? Better 'qualified' managers have been here and failed. He's done a good job so far and sacking him now would be no more than a gamble that the next 'more qualified' manager would do better.
 
We appointed Ole 18 months ago, is it really unrealistic to ask for a trophy 30 months in charge at a club of United's size? Is it wrong to expect big things from United now?
To “expect” a trophy when he’s had a season and a half and inherited an absolute pile of shite with issues in every aspect of the club is absurd. We’ve made huge progress this year. If we don’t improve any more by the end of next season I could understand people wanting a change but just cos we won nothing this year doesn’t mean we change manager, nor expectations lowered. You have to be realistic about how far we fell and where we are now
 
So it's knee jerky for a United fan to expect a trophy within 2.5 years of a managers tenure? Mind boggling how far fans expectations has fallen. LvG and Mou both did it btw.

I think you missed it but the question asked was if the new manager came in and didn't win anything next season should he be sacked, not should Ole be sacked if he doesn't win something next season.
 
To “expect” a trophy when he’s had a season and a half and inherited an absolute pile of shite with issues in every aspect of the club is absurd. We’ve made huge progress this year. If we don’t improve any more by the end of next season I could understand people wanting a change but just cos we won nothing this year doesn’t mean we change manager, nor expectations lowered. You have to be realistic about how far we fell and where we are now
Win a trophy is my expectation for next year btw. Finishing top 4 was my expectation this season and Ole met it.
 
I think you missed it but the question asked was if the new manager came in and didn't win anything next season should he be sacked, not should Ole be sacked if he doesn't win something next season.
My bad. To answer the question, I'd give the new manager the same amount of time. 2-3 years is good enough time to judge if a manager has what it takes to win a trophy IMO.
 
Time has changed pal... The current top 3 managers (Zidane, Pep, Klopp) all started managing their own club without any glamorous title or reputation...

There is nothing to suggest Ole cannot be the 4th one.. Though Man UTD is a bit tricky as the manager has to be a DOF as well... I am thinking Ole could move on to be DOF later on... He has such a high EQ and eye for talent.

Which is exactly what I am saying. I do not buy this, oh who else would have hired him crap.
 
Well apparently Ole & Phelan wanted 9 players when they took over,so we are a third of the way there at the moment then.
 
Well apparently Ole & Phelan wanted 9 players when they took over,so we are a third of the way there at the moment then.

Just goes to show how shattered the club was after Moyes, LvG and Mourinho. People need a spot of patience.
 
We started well yesterday up to our goal. Then we got passive and invited pressure. Then took over and had a brilliant spell at the start of the second half.
Then let them take over again.
Really needed subs at that point to get us back in the game before they got the winning goal.
Can't be too mad about the performance, but we need to be more clinical when it matters.
 
So it's knee jerky for a United fan to expect a trophy within 2.5 years of a managers tenure? Mind boggling how far fans expectations have fallen. LvG and Mou both did it btw.
So you would have been happy had he won a trophy (say league cup) and finished outside top 4 this season.
 
Just goes to show how shattered the club was after Moyes, LvG and Mourinho. People need a spot of patience.

So far he has

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Obviously he is still looking to bring in over next two windows

This

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CB
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Next

ST
LB
DM

Well at least I hope that is going to be the case then anyway
 
As he says there is more than one way to skin a cat and just because everything isn't a prescriptive pre-rehearsed move, it doesn't mean the team isn't well-coached.

According to the Caf, there is only one way. Rigid system. We had that with Jose and LVG struggled to score goals / create chances.

How often did we play teams and had 3/4 shots on target if that?
 
I was reading this earlier and was thinking about posting it but you beat me to it.

As he says there is more than one way to skin a cat and just because everything isn't a prescriptive pre-rehearsed move, it doesn't mean the team isn't well-coached.
I posted it becausei got sick of people commenting on "lack of plans", tactics et when in reality they don't have a clue.
 
We appointed Ole 18 months ago, is it really unrealistic to ask for a trophy 30 months in charge at a club of United's size? Is it wrong to expect big things from United now?

But yes, Poch is the answer isn't he? You also do know that it took Klopp over 3 years to win anything at Liverpool, don't you? Should he have been sacked after 30 months too?

Well, it works for Real, Barca, Bayern, Juve...clubs with which we like to compare.

Well of course it would, those are two-team leagues with huge financial disparities between 1st/2nd and the rest of the league. Why do you think they are expected to and usually win a trophy every year?
 
So you would have been happy had he won a trophy (say league cup) and finished outside top 4 this season.
I see this like the performance review seen at many jobs. 'A' is expected first year, 'A' + 'B' is expected second year, 'A' + 'B' + 'C' the third season. Granted normally a person might not be fired for not meeting all expectations but we are talking about the manager of Manchester United here. This only way to improve is set high standards IMO and with the salaries managers get nowadays the expectations should also be fairly high.
 
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