Fluctuation0161
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It looks a bit rowdy. But, to be fair, the fact we have a slave owner statue is part of the problem!Tweet
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Gammon are pissed.
It looks a bit rowdy. But, to be fair, the fact we have a slave owner statue is part of the problem!Tweet
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Gammon are pissed.
It means "I decide what is racist, not you"I'm not entirely sure what this means.
It means that I don't feel racist because a poster on Redcafe says that people who are not demonstrating in the current BLM protests are complicit in racism. I doubt he is by the way.I'm not entirely sure what this means.
I guess that is the next conversation about 'whether the good washes away the bad' in someone's life, as well as historical context in morality.Wait until you guys find out Churchill was a racist
You literally used "you blacks".Eh? Are you just on auto complete he’s a racist response now?
Think if you look into a lot of statues round the country you probably find a lot of them were slaves owners at some point.It looks a bit rowdy. But, to be fair, the fact we have a slave owner statue is part of the problem!
You ever heard of black privilege? I think that might be the ability to point out whites failures without this kind of response.I must only attack the post. In which case, this post is an absolute shithouse cnut that needs a slap.
Ahh, feels good to attack things with tounge firmly in cheek.
Jimmy Saville raised a lot of money for charities when he wasnt busy raping children.I guess that is the next conversation about 'whether the good washes away the bad' in someone's life, as well as historical context in morality.
Of course he was a racist among other things and most people are aware of it, but people are still grateful for his achievements and the overall positive impact he had in avoiding a Nazi controlled future, which is why people are upset about his statue being vandalised. Especially when many people alive today knew someone who fought for the freedom of the people who are vandalising the statue.
Wasn't that in response to you using the word "you white people"?You literally used "you blacks".
But your white fragility equates it to being the same as white folk being asked to be anti-racist.
Brilliant
And you equate the two?Wasn't that in response to you using the word "you white people"?
Frankly if you want go down that style of debating I don't have a problem with it. If you start making sweeping statements about people on the basis of their skin colour, I don't have a problem with the person that you are targeting does something similar in a sarcastic way.And you equate the two?
No and it wasn't a characterization of white people either which is the main issue here. While I don't like @PepsiCola tone, he talked about people in position of privilege and what they should do in order to help the rest which again isn't limited to black people.Wasn't that in response to you using the word "you white people"?
Presumably everyone knew it was unacceptable to rape children in the 1970s?Jimmy Saville raised a lot of money for charities when he wasnt busy raping children.
Maybe just don't be such a tit. Sorry, post such a tit post.So if I stood at a protest I'd no longer be complicit? How long would I have to be there for? Can I just turn up and then get back for my tea?
This definitely seems racist.The tendency to fear and expect bad outcomes from black people when you're walking down the street late at night is down to stereotypes but those stereotypes are rooted in real life experiences. It's laughable to suggest that it's just based on what people see in movies or TV. If you are much more likely to be robbed by a black person than an Asian, for example, why is it racist to feel more worried when you see group of black people somewhere late at night than a group of Asians or whites? It's just common sense and it's the reality we live in.
These protests won't bring any real change because they only concentrate on the faults of the system and how it acts towards black population. They completely ignore the other side of the equation which is black urban community and its failings. Poverty, drug dealing, gang culture and violence are rampant in many neighborhoods where African-Americans are a majority. If black lives matter, why not concentrate on parents staying together and raising children, prioritizing education and trying their best to keep kids at school and off streets. But that's a much harder and longer road with plenty of setbacks and no guaranteed short term success. It's much easier to just point fingers at the system, decry white privilege and demand change from others than look at yourself in a mirror and wonder what you can do to improve situation in your own family, your own community etc. You can't expect the world around you to change and not doing your bit. And I don't mean making selfies with friends at protests while giving a finger to the cops.
If someone around you spoke positively about human trafficking, peodo rings, people dealing drugs round the corner from where you live, white collar/ blue collar corruption, tax evasion, racism etc would you challenge them?what a ridiculous perspective.
essentially you are staying that unless you are taking action against any injustice that you are aware of then you are complicit.
without taking this off topic, you are aware of things like human trafficking, peodo rings, people dealing drugs round the corner from where you live, white collar/ blue collar corruption, tax evasion, racism etc etc.
if you are silent about any of these, then you are complicit in the continued exploitation?
Utter drivel mate.
Can I say that I have always responded in against racism always in my private life, but I do not actually want to take a 6 hour train to Copenhagen amidst a Co-vid epidemic, while I have a severe chronic illness, and participate in a anti-racism protest? Just like I don't care for white people stereotyping black people, I don't like it the to other way around either.
No one has said you have to attend the protests to not be racist. The guy literally said that. You’re arguing against your own strawman.There is literally some worth protesting worth everyday if you want to. Hunger in the world. War in Syria. Recent annexation of Hong kong. Opression of Tibetans. Donald fecking trump every day. Climate change. Gender bias. You name it. Simply because you don't meet up for protest does not make you complicit.
What point are you trying to make here?Despite the fact that my father had english parents, he was born and raised in China. Doesn't that technically make me half-chinese despite having no asian genetics?
And what makes you think that these posters don't already do this if that's an issue in their daily real life?If someone around you spoke positively about human trafficking, peodo rings, people dealing drugs round the corner from where you live, white collar/ blue collar corruption, tax evasion, racism etc would you challenge them?
No doubt alot of the UK's wealth was built on colonisation and slavery.Think if you look into a lot of statues round the country you probably find a lot of them were slaves owners at some point.
It was really a question of curisioty. Like when do become a real american or when do you become a real jew? Do you need the jewish nose to before you are a real jew?"Despite the fact that my father had english parents, he was born and raised in China. Doesn't that technically make me half-chinese despite having no asian genetics?"
What point are you trying to make here?
It's not that difficult.
It's not enough to not be racist. You people in privilege due to the colour of your skin need to be anti-racist.
You really want to contest how to be anti-racist?Why does going to a march turn me anti-racist?
He's gone.This definitely seems racist.
I don't know. That's why I asked that exact question. I am awaiting the response.And what makes you think that these posters don't already do this if that's an issue in their daily real life?
It's an interesting term. On face value, to an outsider like me, it seems to be an oddly confrontational way to bridge gaps. I mean, here in India I abhor the bigotry that is being carried out at the expense of minority groups. But I doubt a term like that used for he majority who I believe needs to wake the feck up, would work. But if it does work, and does good, then it's the way to go. I just don't know if it helps or harms. The sensible white folk will 'get' it. But will the rest?Re: White Privilege and other such terms. One thing I will say is that it does get a bit wearing and saddening as a straight white male, to be constantly made out to be the "bad guy" in any given social situation. Be it a discussion on sexism, racism or virtually any other similar topic, the straight while male is always the one to blame - the bad guy, the villain of the piece. Now I accept that this is because historically (and more recently) a lot of the prejudice and discrimination has indeed come from that/my demographic, but nonetheless constantly hearing that you (in an impersonal sense) are the bad guy, that your accomplishments count for less because you had xyz advantages. I see online discussions where people get jumped on and told their opinions are invalid because they are white/male, and everyone is eager to take the other persons side, regardless of who is right and who is wrong.
Personally, I am pretty comfortable in my views - I support the protests, and I acknowledge that white privilege is a thing - but I can also see how it can start to create a bit of a siege mentality when every other demographic in modern society seems to have it in for you.
Please do us a favour and stop posting.It was really a question of curisioty. Like when do become a real american or when do you become a real jew? Do you need the jewish nose to before you are a real jew?
It's not that difficult.
It's not enough to not be racist. You people in privilege due to the colour of your skin need to be anti-racist.
If you honestly don't see the difference between what Pepsicola said and your response and think they are equally racist then you really don't get it.you black people really love to moan about whites.
Don't think he'll be able to reply now that he's banned.If you honestly don't see the difference between what Pepsicola said and your response and think they are equally racist then you really don't get it.
So we should dismiss his racist views just because of the times he lived in?Presumably everyone knew it was unacceptable to rape children in the 1970s?
Societal attitudes towards morality change over time. When judging someone surely you have to consider the context of their lives and the time they lived?
I spoke to a friend who attended that protest today in Berlin. While I am vocal in my opposing stance towards the protests in such a manner in Germany right now I do hope that something constructive and lasting comes from them.Jesus fecking Christ. And Berlin’s r0 was >1 last week. This is insane.
Might be wrong but have you tagged the wrong guy by accident?I won't apologise for my tone here, given the current situations. I'm TIRED of having this discussions on multiple platforms.
If you're getting upset over terms such as "white people", "white privilege" and "white fragility" and feel you can use "you blacks" (with the absolute pathetic excuse of it being sarcastic) you're a part of the issue. You have 0 understanding of systemic or institutional racism and suppression.
I'm not even black and @fergies coat jumped at the chance to let the mask slip.
Same. Even in a country like Jamaica with its violence, the vast majority of people have never held a gun and only seen them being held by the police.Problem is most americans never been outside US. That's their normal
For most of the world we'd never ever seen a real gun, let alone own one or even fired one.
I know they have similar names and it's confusing as they were both replying at one point but it was fergiesold who made the objectional remark.I won't apologise for my tone here, given the current situations. I'm TIRED of having this discussions on multiple platforms.
If you're getting upset over terms such as "white people", "white privilege" and "white fragility" and feel you can use "you blacks" (with the absolute pathetic excuse of it being sarcastic) you're a part of the issue. You have 0 understanding of systemic or institutional racism and suppression.
I'm not even black and @fergies coat jumped at the chance to let the mask slip.
Only if you return the favour.Please do us a favour and stop posting.