Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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fecking hell. A cop is allowed to sport a nazi tattoo. Are they going to say that Klan membership is ok too?
"The reason you don't see police shutting down KKK rallies is the same reason you don't see Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana in the same room"
If you think "racism" is the word, I'd say your bar is pretty low. Everyone in the society is subject to the internalization of these ideas, either consciously or subconsciously. So with such a broad definition, what you're basically saying is that virtually everyone on this planet is a racist.
Meanwhile, a person cannot technically be a racist against his own race. So even when black people are holding this bias themselves, how could they, or others who hold the same bias, be called a racist?
The protests are very important, but no, we should not forget about covid-19. It's great that some people dont care about the virus anymore, I think medical personel who have worked themselves to the bone disagree and Im sure people start giving a feck again once the start to have trouble breathing.
So, I will have a go at both the IKEA numpties and the protesters.
Feck Im agreeing with Piers Morgan, Im going to hell
This is a topic for another thread, but I disagree.
I don't believe that's possible. In my country, we had nationwide protests for over a month against the communal and bigoted decisions of our fairly fascist government, which was also followed by riots in our national capital. Like with the cause in the US I was fully in support of the protestors here. However once Covid happened, all the protestors had to disband until we're through with this pandemic. Now I'm not suggesting nobody protest in the US. Every country needs to give importance to its national issues, and I think timing is key. Our protests had already carried on for over a month before covid hit whereas in the US it's only just happened now. But my point is that responsibility in this dangerous time is also important, and you can't just disregard the climate we currently live in. Of course other people breaking rules have to also be held accountable.
It would be easier to keep the issues apart if the people at these mass gatherings could control who they passed the virus on to in the event of being responsible for a spike in cases.
It's also hard to forget about it when it's responsible for almost 40 thousand deaths in the country.
You keep ignoring my key point as well. The participants in the social experiment weren't in the system at all, so theoretically they shouldn't be affected by the systemic racism. Yet the majority of them still chose to shoot at the black friend instead of the white stranger. How would you account for this?
No.
Covid 19 is a serious virus. And it kills people, of any color, race or nationality. UK cannot afford to go back to the crazy numbers that were before.
Yes, protest against systematic racism is a serious issue. But it is up to people to find new ways to protest without jeopardizing the health of everyone.
People cannot decide if they give a s**t about the virus or not. Because it is not like only those people who join a protest are going to get affected.
It’s known as ‘internalised anti blackness’
It's an egg and chicken analogy. Do Police more brutal because Black are almost 7 times more likely criminals (based on inmates number), or more Black inmates because of police racial profiling? (wiki)
You have to look at the specifics of each culture where these things usually happen. What's the history of race relations in said nation ? What is the power structure like in terms in terms of the races ? Systemically, how do whites fair compared to non-whites ? These are all factors that have to be taken under consideration above and beyond the quaintly naive thought experiments you're attempting to explain this away with.
Of course they should, unless these people somehow never lived and haven't been raised in that society. These people weren't empty vessels before entering those social experiments. You seem to be oblivious to the notion of prejudice.
He's no longer a cop FYI.
Anyway the fact he has been with that very tattoo is quite unbelievable. In the UK you have to declare any tattoos and they are assessed during the vetting process. If you get them post joining and they are going to be in a visible place you again have to ask before hand and have it approved.
Not sure how anyone can be pissed off about the govts response to covid and also be mad at protesters for protesting. Come on.
I think that's a pretty short sighted take on things. It is possible to be concerned and upset about both things together. Pretty hard to forget about Covid-19 when its killed 40,000 people in the UK and is still going strong.
According to Philly's police, he had the tattoo before the policy against these type of things was implemented, so they couldn't do anything about it.
Understood, although begs the question why they didn't have such policy in the first place? It seems as though the States is years behind everywhere else with basic things.
It was my reaction when I saw their response and I was still shocked when I tried to remember the details. In fact they created the policy after that officer went viral on the internet in 2017.
How you know that? Are you Chauvin himself?
The policy not being in place in the first place is an example of the corrupt, broken, shady, or financially driven political/legislative system. Someone(s) with real influence could have put these policies in place, but doing so they knew it would have rubbed the right people, the wrong way and they couldn't do that because it would have impacted them.
Because if it's true that the PD tried to dismiss him, but couldn't due to legal grounds protecting such instances, it's like wtf, who is making this legal and protecting someone who is openly proud of their Nazi heritage, all while being a law enforcement officer.
So nazi tattoos were ok at one time for law enforcement?
It's the second one. . . ???
So nazi tattoos were ok at one time for law enforcement?
You can't protest if you're dead so I don't see how you can.
Especially in UK/USA where people from black and other ethnic minority groups have already suffered a disproportionate number of infections. If hypothesis about covid19 infections being most rampant when people are in close proximity is right, then many will have picked up covid19 in protests, and then take it into their homes and communities.
You already know all of this so I'd be interested to hear what you actually mean and what else you propose
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It's quite obvious, you don't have to be Chauvin himself to see the motivation.
Which police handbook advises to withdraw a gun out on a person suspected of using a forged $20 bank note? You're failing to grasp the concept of racial profiling here.
UK Cop tasers black man for pointing at her. (2 years ago)
I'm sorry mate but no. As a person of colour I'm well aware of the bias and prejudice of the rulings class and state institutions but just because they are protesting historic and present injustices, doesn't mean they can't be criticised for their lack of awareness surrounding the spread of a virus that according to yesterday's government release affects BAME people disproportionately. Now I'll hazard a guess and say that the percentage of BAME within those protests are quite high... True racists are laughing their man boobs off.
I know that you can't judge people on superficial things but she sounds like someone that is extremely slow.
They are going to review the tattoo. Like, take photos of it from different angles n stuff
Agreed about "...???".
Obama is hosting a virtual town hall on this at 5 ET or roughly 3 hours from now, if you’re into that sort of thing.
Also, the charges on the other cops involved should be announced soon.
edit: thought I should mention this...what a fecking circus.
Also, the charges on the other cops involved should be announced soon.
edit: thought I should mention this...what a fecking circus.
That's because of subpar health care driven by inadequate government policy and economic inequalities, not because of an inmate susceptibility to the virus.
Anyway the parks here in NY were full of people sunbathing a few weeks ago. I have no problem with protestors making the decision to make known their demands in the midst of a pandemic. Not interested in anyone who's fauxing concern for "their community" while ignoring racism which is a real and serious threat to this very community
It's an egg and chicken analogy. Do Police more brutal because Black are almost 7 times more likely criminals (based on inmates number), or more Black inmates because of police racial profiling? (wiki)
From memory it's a bit of both. Blacks are poorer by design, have a tougher access to education by design and poorer/uneducated communities are more likely to be involved in crimes violent and petty, now it has also been demonstrated that blacks are not treated equally by the judicial and policing systems and will generally be handed harsher punishments. Policing and profiling are also designed to target them even when it makes no statistical sense.
Here you have an article that illustrates it.
Edit: Regarding education and what happens to poorer communities, I invite people to search for "Baltimore schools heating".
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