This is in Manchester apparently.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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This is in Manchester apparently.
You may find that the solution to your question is contained within it.
Educate
You can have "police brutality" without "racism", while you can also have "racism" without "police brutality", so how are they intertwined?
You can also have "police brutality" with "racism". This is when they are intertwined.
Really? Read what you wrote. I'm calling the poster an idiot.
Is your mind always this discontinuous or just when your choosing to be pointlessly pedantic? Enjoy your derailment enterprises.
Ano, am saying you have to educate from being an idiot to see that they’re intertwined, sorry thought you got me
Broadly the two are consistently and mutually associated.
Understood now!
I never deny the possibility of "police brutality" with "racism", but I see little to no evidence supporting this theory in this Floyd tragedy.
When an already-subdued white man in Dallas is killed, it’s police brutality; when a black man in Minnesota is killed in an identical manner, it’s racism.
Not in this case.
Tell me how you see the Floyd arrest by laying out the facts as you know them. I'm not sure that you know enough about the case and policing in the USA to make such a claim so I'd like for you to prove me wrong.
Leaving aside the obvious balance of probabilities, the context and history and the overwhelming statistics does it actually fecking matter what the precise motivation of an individual in a single case is? Why are you obsessed with categorisation of motivation? You're either a fecking pedant who feels a desperate need to win some point that matters only to them regarding categorisation semantics or you're attempting to undermine the perception of racism and police treatment of black people in the US (and, indeed, other countries).
If you genuinely wanted to make a point about police treatment of suspects, underclasses, criminals and general brutality it does seem that you've chosen an odd way to achieve that aim. Whether the individual act was, in of itself, motivated by racism or not is utterly irrelevant when the plight of black people in the US to be exposed to Police brutality is an inherent by product of systematic racism in the first place.
When there is years, upon years, upon years of institutionalised racism within the police force and hundreds upon hundreds of black murders at the hands of the police, you cannot compare that to the death of one man in Dallas.
Albeit both involved police brutality only one can be judged as racist because the system has promoted racism for years.
Not taking anything away from the man in Dallas as he didn’t deserve to die either, but there is no overlooking the fact racism is rife within the police force.
postage.
How it should be done, by both sides. There's a thread
They are two separate issues, but that doesn't mean they don't frequently intersect and wind up as one in the same.
This. And certainly is not normal to film 2 minute video near dead body. Awful.
I am not Poirot but based on the body position nobody didn't try anything.
They may not blame him at the moment but there is much scope for that to change. If he doesn't complete a good trade deal with China there will be some whos jobs will be threatened by Chinese imports. If he does get a good deal he is trading with those people who caused the "Chinese virus".
In the next 3-4 months the US economy is just about fit to tank. They have taken on huge levels of debt to pay the unemployed and are looking to take on more. The whole world is in for the worst recession since the 30's and his working class supporters are the ones who are going to feel it most.
I know I don't have my finger on the USA pulse but real hardship will change a lot of opinion.
Fair play to everyone involved. This is what happens when you treat people with respect and listen to what they have to say... Who knew?
I've got to admit I don't know very much about the Floyd arrest. I only understand that he was arrested for using a counterfeit bill and knelt to death despite he was subdued, as shown from the footage. I'm unaware of any history of Chauvin being a racist, nor he had racially discriminated Floyd during the murder. So maybe you could fill the gap in for me and convince me in the other way, how this case is linked to racism more than police brutality except that the victim happens to be a black man?
As for policing in the US, I'm aware that black Americans are 2.5x more likely to be killed by cops than white Americans, and I've explained this phenomenon in my previous posts already. Meanwhile, black people are also treated unfairly by the cops in many ways, for example they are more frequently pulled over and searched, they are treated less respectfully etc. These are classic examples of racism, not the death of Floyd with all due respect.
I wouldn't bother engaging in that derailment any further.
This just seems like wilful ignorance or trolling at this stage.
This just seems like wilful ignorance or trolling at this stage.
I don’t get that sense from him at all, even though I think he’s simplifying the matter. He seems like a curious guy trying to make sense of all this. Do you actually get the sense he’s trolling?
This discussion has been done to death. There is no way Americans will select not to have guns. We have heard the arguments and replies a thousand times. A good number of Americans grow up to believe guns are a necessity like just anything else in the world. Guess if you are tuned to look at things in one way, it gets difficult to think in any other way.
“The scenes have been disturbingly familiar to CIA analysts accustomed to monitoring scenes of societal unraveling abroad — the massing of protesters, the ensuing crackdowns and the awkwardly staged displays of strength by a leader determined to project authority.
In interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...b210b8-a4f6-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html
In interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...b210b8-a4f6-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html
Seems to be flirting with the line of "thread-ban"
apologies @Revan , I was extremely drunk in the early hours and your subtleties completely went over my head 
I think you've answered your own question. Who has a gun pulled out on them for a forged bank note? Racial profiling in full effect.
Thanks, Professor.hmchan said:
Both were fired
Trained to detect/instigate.
Excessive force used against an unarmed/subdued person - classic example of police brutality. Same applies to the white man Tony Timpa in Dallas.
That's what they did back in the 70s
until they think it's more cost effective to open the college in US and send the insurgents there. The methods of SERE, Torture, Interrogations from all around the country are coming from the US
Probably not, I think it's more likely wilful ignorance.
He's already decided his position even though by his own admission he knows little about the specifics of the case and doesn't seem to be willing to see how the effects of systemic racism are manifested. He also seems to be suggesting that this couldn't possibly be anything to do with racism because the cop didn't utter a racial slur while doing it.
I'm not sure what else anyone can say to change his mind which is why I suggested leaving it there.
Deliberately trolling? Maybe not. Pedantically pursuing a broadly irrelevant point relentlessly? Certainly.
...and, no, I don't think he's "a curious guy trying to make sense of it all". Curious people listen. The poster concerned appears to be trying to win a poorly chaired sixth form debate.
Edit: And no, this isn't brutality towards this poster in a personal sense, it's just general posting brutality that happens to manifest disproportionally against said poster through coincidental correlation.
Tony Timpa is also part of a marginalised group as he was mentally ill.
Unfortunately, those with mental illness are also killed in disproportionate numbers by the police in America so this doesn't back up your point at all.
Let’s not miss the forest for a tree
There is nothing curious about him, you noticed that he is clinging on the Dallas example that "confirms" his opinion, while totally ignoring the fact that african americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by the police and that within the long history of police brutality in the US, brutality aimed at minorities and specifically african americans is well documented. Someone curious would have not only discovered these things by himself with a quick google query or he would have been led to it by the many posts that answered his initial post. But he did none of these things.