Are you kidding me? Nobody in world football would ever get a free pass for two seasons. Why should Moyes get it?
It's tough going - What side of the fence are you on
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One of the most painful things about all this is that Glaston was right.
Even typing that was horrible. I'm going to wash my hands with sulphuric acid.
That's a bit harsh on Hodgson and Redknapp being compared to Moyes, they've actually picked up silverware in their careers.
No, in all honesty though, this was perhaps a jump too large for Moyes. I am genuinely feeling a bit sorry for him at the moment, he must feel like absolute shit.
I'm fine with that but are the players stood by Moyes? Doesn't seem it to me. And Glazers I assume would take action if it hurt their pockets.
Don't want Moyes out yet but somethings gone really wrong somewhere
Most of my posts were just genuine disbelief. I couldn't believe we'd done it to be honest. From the appointment thread:
Shut up, troll. The future of our club is at stake and guys like you obviously hate MUFC.
I'm in it for the long haul. This is a good test to see who stays and who goes and for those who goes..buh bye
Well we don't have the players to play like he wants, for one.
They know he is a rookie at a club like this, they should have been pulling out all the stops to make the changeover easier for him. Instead some of them have gone to pieces, sorry but they should have more guts and heart than this. Why are players never taken to task about their performances. The manager picked them, it is up to them to deliver on the pitch.
I don't thin he rates this batch of players. When they were cutting to him on the side he looks so frustrated/bored/fed up. We should be higher up he doesn't now how to set the team up to grind out a win yet like Fergie could. We need 3 top quality player sand we won't get them in January. I now how you feel hectic but I feel he will come good, we need to give him more time.
That interview was just another example of Moyes not knowing when to keep his mouth shut.
1. This 'splitting' the bid nonsense was just bizarre. You are always going to have to essentially pay two indivdual fees for two players regardless if you buy them at the same time. Did Woodward and Moyes really think that Everton going to give us 2 for 1 discount on their best players?!?!?!
2. Between all the staff at United none of them knew how Bilbao operate?!?!?!?!
3. We bid a day late for De Rossi. Retrospectively that was a good thing as he might have killed himself if we had signed him.
This nonsense should be kept in house. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that we missed out on players for stupid reasons under Fergie but we rarely (Ramsey) heard about it.
No doubt, as is their prerogative and a lot of the fans will probably agree. I think he'll be given till the end of the season at least and possibly till this time next year unless there are no discernible signs of improvement.
Then he needs to figure out the best way to get the most out of the players he has. It's called managing.
Talking of giving the manager time was only ever going to be relevant if the going went tough. Now it has, and I guess it shows who meant what they said.
Obviously still needs time. So does the team, coaches etc.
Obviously still needs time. So does the team, coaches etc.
The players are professionals, they have to stand by the manager. If they're not buying into what Moyes is trying to do, the problem lies with them. But I agree something does look off, we don't seem to have that confidence we did before. I might be wrong, but I still trust Moyes to sort it out by season end.
I'll judge him at the end of the season. We've had FA cups horrors with SAF before, its a pity because Moyes has done well in cup competitions this season.
Most of those we're promising youngsters, and only idiots made half of those statements. Moyes is a 50 year old who's been in the premier league for a long time and has never won a trophy in his career. If Ole got the job you could say this, after all he was successful with our reserves and won 3 trophies in 3 years at Molde. Moyes shouldn't need to have 3 seasons to take a team that won 5 of the last 7 titles, and were a point away from winning the other 2 as well, and have them play well. What has happened this season has been nothing short of a disaster on his part. Of course it was always going to be hard, but when people said that, we meant a few years like arsenals transition years, not that he would turn us into Everton.
He went for Fellaini... as a fit for Manchester United. That is a terrible omen by itself.
Making overtures toward Fabregas - did anyone buy that?
Baines at the prices touted is a joke.
There are more players: De Rossi, Herrera, Khediera perhaps Conetrau but most of them sounded like hot air at the time.
Fact remains that for all of the hot air, we ended up with Fellaini for £28m. That is damning on Moyes (and Woodward.)
I don't agree with this really. Players are just like anyone else - you can't help it if you believe in someone's ability, it's not a choice. You don't think "yes, I am going to believe in this guy", you either do or you don't. It's subconscious.
Are you for real?
The FA Cup is so irrelevant to everything right now. You must be the only person on the planet who thinks the discontentment is all because we didn't make it through to to face Birmingham, Bristol or Crawley.
Sorry but it doesn't work that way. You don't hire a shepherd who needs to be taught to herd by the sheep. Hiring what you perceive as a 'rookie' is an even more bizarre notion when you consider the scale of the job facing Moyes.
If picking players and then they have to perform from there on out was the long and short of the managers job then literally anyone could it. It is an massive and erroneous oversimplification of the managers job. And the players do get slated to high heaven in fairness.
I was completely shocked that we brought him, I remember arguing with my brother before we appointed him that he would be a disaster, then I managed to convince myself of the completele opposite.
After all the sentimental fuss the club have made about how we have "stability" here and the way we "give managers time" and all that, he's going absolutely nowhere for a few years. The club would look incredibly stupid after this stance for the so called "good of the game" they've taken to sack him after 6 months of a 6 year deal. Fergie would look stupid. It's not happening.
Be that as it may, when you're a professional you have do what your boss says. If you disagree, you take it up with him/her and if you're not satisfied, you quit. If the boss is in the wrong, he'll be found out and fired. I think that is true for every profession. It may turn out that Moyes is out of his depth as some think he is. If that is the case, the Glazers will let him go. I still believe he's a good manager and was appointed for the long term. Accordingly, I think he should be given time to implement what he wants to do.
You have to hope the club has more objectivity than that. When something isn't going to work out, it's almost always better to make the change as soon as possible.
Much whining today, get a grip lads!
I feel for Moyes in the same way I feel bad for an injured old sheepdog. I kinda wish someone would bring the old boy out the back with a big old shotgun and put him out of his misery.
I have been positive about him mostly since his appointment but leaving the ground today, wet n cold I am wondering what he can do.We've a long way to go and it's going to get far worse yet folks before it gets better.We're on our knees right now and nothing SAF can say to him will help either.I am on the fence regarding Moyes.Just gonna keep supporting the club.
That's what worries me, how does he want to play?
What if he wins the Champions League.
It just sets a dangerous precedent and there's no guarantee whoever comes in will start working miracles. Managerial appointments depend a lot on timing. We missed our golden chance when one of the best manager's in the world just happened to be available at the time SAF retired.
There's no obvious replacements around. What happens if the new manager has a horror first 6 months as well? The fans will call for his head and the players will start to think "why bother, he's going to be sacked soon".
What are you harping on about? I simply pointed out we have had fa cup cock ups before. I'm fully aware why Moyes is under pressure. I however think he deserves at least to be judged on a full season. Some of the comments about him have been pathetic.
We used to be so great at responding to defeats, it's no longer the case. We really aren't the same team anymore. People waiting for us to go on a winning streak like we used to are doing so in vain IMO.
I still think Moyes isn't the man for the job but sacking him any time before 18 months into his tenure just wouldn't make sense. Any manager that came in would've needed time to build his team, would they have fallen as far has Moyes has done in the process however?
I think we'v been exceptionally poor, and Moyes is accountable for that. We have set ourselves back two years with his appointment, just how much that will cost us remains to be seen.
I still think Moyes isn't the man for the job but sacking him any time before 18 months into his tenure just wouldn't make sense. Any manager that came in would've needed time to build his team, would they have fallen as far has Moyes has done in the process however?
I think we'v been exceptionally poor, and Moyes is accountable for that. We have set ourselves back two years with his appointment, just how much that will cost us remains to be seen.
Nothing wrong with doing that, he's just proving pretty much everyone here right unfortunately.
A good manager couldn't win the Champions League with this lot.
Apocalypse.
I don't think that it is possible, but hey Di Matteo (who isn't as good as Moyes) won it with a squad that isn't as good as this squad. So, feck knows, everything there is possible (contradiction to my previous opinion a line above).
It will take the pressure off him and will give him a deserved second season though.
This notion of Herrera being "infinitely better" than Fellaini is laughable.
Prior to us 'bidding', who actually considered him or even knew about him? Never mind all the other considerations rational people would make...
Prior to us 'bidding', who actually considered him or even knew about him? Never mind all the other considerations rational people would make...
I never thought he was a good choice and nothing has changed, we are stuck in a tricky situation though as while I can't see him turning it around, he can rightfully point to the lack of quality we brought into the squad for him. However the other side of the coin is I'm not sure he is a guy I'd want us to hand a huge transfer budget over to.
He just doesn't have the personality to manage a club like United in my view and it shows in how uninspired our players look, there's no real sign in the performances that Moyes is getting a grip on things, even the run of wins didn't feature much in the way of confident, fluid football bar the West Ham victory.
He just doesn't have the personality to manage a club like United in my view and it shows in how uninspired our players look, there's no real sign in the performances that Moyes is getting a grip on things, even the run of wins didn't feature much in the way of confident, fluid football bar the West Ham victory.
He can turn it around but who truly knows? We've done well in the Champions League and COC. But awful in the league and now knocked out the FA cup.
Injuries are not helping the cause. I remember a fair few saying last season that we weren't that good and we only won it because everyone else was poor. A lot said van Persie and Carrick covered cracks too. Are your opinion still the same or has it changed?
The lineup we started today was pretty poor in terms of quality and our squad as a whole isn't good enough, mainly the midfield. To make it worse we've suffered injuries to key players - Rooney, van Persie, Carrick, Rafael etc. Those players, with the exception of Rooney, pretty much stayed fit for the whole of last season. Would we be this bad, at home anyway, if they were fit? I don't think so. We certainly missed/miss them and I think it says a lot for the quality of others in the team. When Rafael gets injured it's a huge step down in terms of quality, same as when Rooney + Carrick are injured.
I don't care what team you are, you'll suffer if your key players are injured but what makes it worse is the lack of quality to replace those. Carrick shouldn't be by far our best midfielder. Also in terms of wingers, we've got good players but no-one world class, so we basically just chop and change that. Now I'm not saying it's all the players fault because I think Moyes is to blame too but some players are under-performing while some are simply just not good enough.
We clearly need at least one world class central midfielder and one top class winger. Also a left-back to compete with/replace Evra. Plus I'm starting to think we may need a backup RB.
But what's happening even with the current squad isn't good enough. I'll give Moyes until the end of the season and see where we end up. We need Rafael, Carrick, Rooney and van Persie to stay fit for the rest of the season though otherwise we'll struggle as we have been doing.
Injuries are not helping the cause. I remember a fair few saying last season that we weren't that good and we only won it because everyone else was poor. A lot said van Persie and Carrick covered cracks too. Are your opinion still the same or has it changed?
The lineup we started today was pretty poor in terms of quality and our squad as a whole isn't good enough, mainly the midfield. To make it worse we've suffered injuries to key players - Rooney, van Persie, Carrick, Rafael etc. Those players, with the exception of Rooney, pretty much stayed fit for the whole of last season. Would we be this bad, at home anyway, if they were fit? I don't think so. We certainly missed/miss them and I think it says a lot for the quality of others in the team. When Rafael gets injured it's a huge step down in terms of quality, same as when Rooney + Carrick are injured.
I don't care what team you are, you'll suffer if your key players are injured but what makes it worse is the lack of quality to replace those. Carrick shouldn't be by far our best midfielder. Also in terms of wingers, we've got good players but no-one world class, so we basically just chop and change that. Now I'm not saying it's all the players fault because I think Moyes is to blame too but some players are under-performing while some are simply just not good enough.
We clearly need at least one world class central midfielder and one top class winger. Also a left-back to compete with/replace Evra. Plus I'm starting to think we may need a backup RB.
But what's happening even with the current squad isn't good enough. I'll give Moyes until the end of the season and see where we end up. We need Rafael, Carrick, Rooney and van Persie to stay fit for the rest of the season though otherwise we'll struggle as we have been doing.