Was more winding up Frank than anything. However, Rooney is the far better player. There's no doubt. He's younger and more consistent in a tougher league and has done it in all competitions. He has much more in his locker than Zlatan. Yous are all creaming yourselves over Zlatan's skill yet Rooney goes past players with ease. And even though he has a significant size advantage, he's no better in the air either. Add to that Rooney's range of passing which is sublime and his movement which is second to none and you've got a pointless comparison.
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Was more winding up Frank than anything. However, Rooney is the far better player. There's no doubt. He's younger and more consistent in a tougher league and has done it in all competitions. He has much more in his locker than Zlatan. Yous are all creaming yourselves over Zlatan's skill yet Rooney goes past players with ease. And even though he has a significant size advantage, he's no better in the air either. Add to that Rooney's range of passing which is sublime and his movement which is second to none and you've got a pointless comparison.
Zlatan's passing is also sublime and his movement top notch too. Rooney is really not that much better than him.
Utter bollocks. Zlatan can pick a pass but he's nowhere near the range of passing Rooney has. And his movement? Are you serious?
I'm dead serious. I'm not blinded by sycophancy like you. Zlatan is an amazing passer of the ball. anyone who watches him regularly can attest to this. This was completely evident at OT when we faced Inter. His movement is also top draw. He proved that against us too. Just because he doesn't do it with the energy or dive of Rooney doesn't mean it isn't top draw.Utter bollocks. Zlatan can pick a pass but he's nowhere near the range of passing Rooney has. And his movement? Are you serious?
Besides, for you even to claim Rooney's movement "is second to none"
shows who is being very unserious between you and me. Such claims are as dumb as those claiming Zlatan is now where near Rooney was a playerUtter bollocks. Zlatan can pick a pass but he's nowhere near the range of passing Rooney has. And his movement? Are you serious?
I wonder why both Real Madrid and Barcelona is intrested in Zlatan and most of all Italian pundits value him as the best player i Serie A, above Kaka.
And I also wonder why a defender like Cannavaro rate Zlatan as one of the best in the world.
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I'm dead serious. I'm not blinded by sycophancy like you. Zlatan is an amazing passer of the ball. anyone who watches him regularly can attest to this. This was completely evident at OT when we faced Inter. His movement is also top draw. He proved that against us too. Just because he doesn't do it with the energy or dive of Rooney doesn't mean it isn't top draw.
Besides, for you even to claim Rooney's movement "is second to none"
His movement is OK when he can be arsed. But it's by no means what makes him a special player. And his passing is clever, nothing more. And furthermore, if you can't appreciate the brilliance of Rooney's movement you're incapable of understanding football.
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The feck does any of that matter? He and Cannavaro were teammates. And I'm not calling Zlatan shite or anything. He's amongst the best strikers in the world no doubt. But he's a headcase who doesn't have any will or drive at all. And his end product isn't in the same stratosphere as what all you muppets creaming yourselves over his highlights imagine it is.
Utter bollocks. Zlatan can pick a pass but he's nowhere near the range of passing Rooney has. And his movement? Are you serious?
Zlatan's a brilliant passer of the ball.
But yeah, his movement's nowhere near as good as Rooney's.
Exactly, for passing he is better than Rooney, of that i am in absolutely no doubt. When he's passing to the best of his ability it is like Ronaldinho in his pomp.
Ibrahimovic is the most creative and unpredictable center forward in world football.
Clearly Capello/Lippi/Zidane/Maradona/Cannavaro/Guardiola and co have no idea about football. Otherwise why on earth would they rate a 2nd rate player like Ibrahimovic
You were implying his movement is garbage in comparison to Rooney's, which is just moronic. After all his movement is part and parcel of what makes him a top player.
That smacks of utter ingnorance really. Zlatan is a brilliant passer of the ball. It isn't even debatable. toc all it merely "clever" is just laughable.
I appreciate it enough to know it isn't second to none, because I have an understanding fof football. Only someone without an understanding and general knowledge of fooball can claim Rooney's movement is the best around bar none. Because that is just a myth.
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A classic case of a pot swearing kettles are blackI dont know about that second part, but that flick on he had to someone on inter earlier this that set up an inter goal was one of the most brilliant things I saw this season, a la Berbatov's skill v West Ham
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Yep, bit of a shame that so few people have had a chance to fully appreciate that, with him never having played in one of the top two leagues, and Italian football being on so infrequently over the past 4 years.
I dont care what anyone says, yes Italian football is comercially behind Italy and Spain but for standard of football it is still a top league. Slower and more tactical it really isn't, it's changed in the past years. There are more goals per game in the italian league than the prem or la liga and the quality of the teams is as good as these leagues if not perhaps at the very top which is purely financial i'd imagine.
As a polished product it's Prem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>La Liga>Bundesliga>>>>>>>>>Serie A
but the quality of football on display is still top class in serie A.
I completely agree with the top, but disagree with the the rankings
EPL >>> La Liga >>> Serie A > Bundesliga
I've seen plenty of Serie A over the past few years. Zlatan's passing is brilliant only when it comes off for him. More often than not it doesn't as he opts for the overly elaborate more often than not. You lot are just proving you're highlight junkies yet again. Go have a wank over the lad FFS.
The trustworthy Goal.com is reporting Zlatan to Barca as a done deal if Eto'o goes
I was talking about them as a polished product, TV coverage, nice pitches, full stadiums, atmospheres...
A for quality of leagues/teams i'd have it differently also.
And if those highlights result in important goals, WTF is the problem? Inzaghi, in his prime, could be invisible for 90mins before scoring a stunning winner in the 91st, and he is considered a total Seria A legend. You can't deny that Zlatan has been absolutely essential to Inter's success in Serie A.
That's what happens when you try the eye of a needle pass in the final 3rd. Your most creative passers will be the best passers of a football in your team but statistically (pass completion) it will be a central defender or someone playing safe balls that will have the highest percentage.
Yeah i've seen games where it doesnt come off for him because he is always trying that something different, but it does come off for him, an awful lot and that is why he is brilliant.
Its on...........
Barcelona agree terms with Inter Milan for Ibrahimovic
10.06.09 | tribalfootball.com
Barcelona have struck terms with Inter Milan over a sensational deal for Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
El Mundo Deportivo says Barca, after a week of negotiations, have had an offer of £9 million cash plus Samuel Eto'o accepted by Inter. This comes after Inter's initial demands of £35 million cash plus Eto'o in exchange for Ibra.
The final piece in the jigsaw for Barca is Eto'o, who must agree to become part of the amazing swap.
Eto'o's agent met with Barca sports director Txiki Beguiristain on Monday to discuss the striker's future.
Inter president Massimo Moratti will also have to be convinced about meeting Eto'o demands - which are mooted to be around £11 million-a-year.
Barcelona agree terms with Inter Milan for Ibrahimovic
10.06.09 | tribalfootball.com
Barcelona have struck terms with Inter Milan over a sensational deal for Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
El Mundo Deportivo says Barca, after a week of negotiations, have had an offer of £9 million cash plus Samuel Eto'o accepted by Inter. This comes after Inter's initial demands of £35 million cash plus Eto'o in exchange for Ibra.
The final piece in the jigsaw for Barca is Eto'o, who must agree to become part of the amazing swap.
Eto'o's agent met with Barca sports director Txiki Beguiristain on Monday to discuss the striker's future.
Inter president Massimo Moratti will also have to be convinced about meeting Eto'o demands - which are mooted to be around £11 million-a-year.
All comes down to the money. Afterall the only reason Eto'o is on the move is because Barcelona refuse to meet his pay demands.
Madness. Absolute madness. Why the feck don't they just pay him?
Ibrahimovic is a better player than Eto'o.
I couldn't disagree more. But theoretically saying they're equal players, why mess with your squad? There's alot of risk to be taken on in doing so. And especially considering the system Barca employs, they'll be disappointed with anyone they bring in to replace Eto'o. Save maybe Villa.
Id have Eto'o personally. A real goal scorer
Me too.
I'm not really sure, I'm sure some of it has to do with having a set wage structure that they don't want to break for Eto'o, and something to do with keeping the team fresh, but yeah I'm really not sure why they want to change their system in that way.
Despite thinking Ibrahimovic is better, I do agree that I think bringing him in will take away a lot of their cutting edge because he's just not anywhere near as selfish or direct, and I think Barcelona need a player like that to be the best they can.
I still think if he goes there he'll be a hit.
Absolutely, Zlatan is much more technical player and Eto'o can dream of scoring goals like Zlatan's. He relies on pace and his immense goalscoring sense but I've never seen him score goals with back-heel flicks, chipped shots, free-kicks at 124 Km/h and neither can he set up his teammates with a brilliant pass out of nothing.
Moratti is feckin' stupid if he does a deal like that, I would have lowered the cash demands (let's say 35-40 millions) and accepted money only or another player but not Eto'o.
Zlatan should be replaced with somebody with his same assets not with a pacy CF. Further, Eto'o is an horrible mercenary who's accepting to move to Inter just for money, I absolutely despise those kinda players. I doubt he will score more than 20 goals here, also 'cause there aren't the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi to set him up.
I get the mercenary thing. But Eto'o is better than your Zlatan. Doesn't matter how he scores them(and he has scored some absolute crackers) if he's scoring as many as he has. Zlatan has only this season approached 30 goals, and still has yet to hit that mark. Quite simply, Eto'o is a goal machine. And his creativity is always overlooked for the same reason as he's always underrated I guess. He's very slick in interplay and is fantastic at picking a pass in and around the box to play teammates in.
El Mundo Deportivo know feck all. They said Ribery signed for 25 million a few weeks ago. They are even worse than Marca and AS
People's forgot that he isn't a CF although he can play as such. He's a support striker and can score and either set up for scoring his teammates in a way that nobody else in his role does. He's a different type of player thatn Eto'o. His build-up play is something out of this world and I wonder where the reputation of lazy comes from, I can't even recall how many times he had to drop back in midfield, distribute play like a real playmaker would do or get playable balls and then run back upfront and this 'cause our team lacks creativity. Let's not mention the times he came to defend in our penalty box and cleared away opposition's corner-kicks. He's criminally underrated outside of Italy and the poor defenses argument isn't really a valid one since he has played in the same league of players like Kakà and Del Piero who have a much better reputation abroad and has been infinitely better than them over the past two season. Ibra alone is 70% strenght of our team and I doubt Eto'o will give his same contribution, unless he's put in the condition to do it but as I said, there are no Xavi, Iniesta and Messi at Inter.
That's Juve's category
Well, if Ibrahimovic is 70% of your team, you have no chance of surviving next season, if he leaves.
It depends who else you get and what Mourinho thinks he is doing, i rate Mourinho but i really think he will struggle next season. If he's as good as everyone thinks and he claims then you should do well but if you get Eto'o you need more creativity and players who can beat men and create chances for him.
Maybe he wants Milito and Eto'o which could work... Eto'o could be brilliant for you really but he could also be a royal pain in the ass.
No secrets have been made about Eto'os mentality and his bad influence on the dressing room. I'm pretty sure Messi doesn't like him for a start.
Ibra for everything that's been said about him has had almost zero problems with managers (only that swedish one, Lagerback? and he's a total disgrace, how the swedish fa havent sacked him after how rubbish he makes sweden i'll never know) or players. Only Van der Vaart (who is a dick) and Viera (another dick) have had problems with Ibra. ( as far as i'm aware at least! )
Of course he will be replaced by somebody else but I doubt this new player, whoever he is, will give a contribution that can be compared to Zlatan's.
Reports have it that Italian bookmakers have stopped taking bets on his transfer to spain....
I completely agree and that's why I talked about Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, they contributed immensely to Eto'os impressive goalscoring tally, our playing style is nowhere as good as Barça's and even if we bring in more quality players I doubt we'll become the masters of attacking football in one season.
As for the player's attitude in the dressing room, I know anything and that's why I don't like him in the slightest, I also find unright that a newly-acquired player will probably get 10 million euros per year. He's the type that might ask for more should he do a good season.
Ibra only created problems this year after our CL exit when he openly criticized the rest of the team but he's a much calmer player that everybody thinks.
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