The first part's right, but the second part's very harsh. Rooney's got a lovely touch, not quite on the level of Ibrahimovic - but whose is?
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The first part's right, but the second part's very harsh. Rooney's got a lovely touch, not quite on the level of Ibrahimovic - but whose is?
Ridiculous. Honestly.
You better back this up with why you think Rooney is THAT much better than Zlatan because as it stands all I am reading is a moronic comment.
Zlatan's arguably the most talented striker on the planet and has outperformed Rooney for a few seasons and yet there's people who think it's ridiculous to compare him to Rooney? Wow.
I mean yeah, Rooney could go on to be one of the world's greatest players but right now, a comparison with Zlatan is not as "ridiculous" as some make it out to be.
I mean yeah, Rooney could go on to be one of the world's greatest players but right now, a comparison with Zlatan is not as "ridiculous" as some make it out to be.
For some reason the prospect of Zlatan at United always appeals to me even though i rarely see him perform when i see him (which is quite rare to be honest). When he plays to his strengths he's brilliant.
When did this happen? Rooney would score atleast as many goals if he played in Serie A. And Zlatan hasn't scored a single goal in the CL knock-out stages for the last "few seasons" despite playing as a striker.
Yes, it's ridiculousIt's Totti all over again
Rooney is the younger player, at the better club, in the better league, performing better in the business end of major competition
Nonsense. I worship the ground that Rooney walks on, but this quote is miles off the mark. I'd obviously take Rooney over him every day of the week, but there's not much between them at all.
Merman said:
When has Rooney had a season better than Zlatan? The last two seasons at least Zlatan has been better. 06/07 Rooney had a bad start but then to his credit performed excellently. You'd have to look at least 3 years back.
Brad said:
He has potential to be better but until Rooney's performing to the heights everyone expects of him it's silly to dismiss a comparison with Zlatan who's been excellent for the past two seasons at least and stakes a claim for best striker in the world for both seasons. Rooney hasn't staked a claim as best striker in the world for the past two seasons and yet it's ridiculous to compare him with Zlatan?
And if Rooney is so much better than Zlatan then what it is that he's so much better at? Touch? Vision? Passing? Shooting? Left foot? etc. I think you'll find he's not much better than Zlatan at any of those and there's some categories which Zlatan is definitely better than Rooney at (Touch, Left foot).
Do feck off eh
It's the same old bollocks. Rooney's just had a cracking season with United, he's an undroppable player for the best side in the world over the last few seasons. He's won three straight titles in the toughest league in the world. He's played in successive Champions League finals. He's that good, Fergie even plays him in positions on the field he shouldn't really be playing, the lad should be up top through the centre and dropping off. Never mind he's 4 years younger, and Zlatan has never proved himself at the highest level
Ah but Zlatan scored twice against Atalanta in the weakest Italian league in living memory, and scored a couple of notable back flick goals, so obviously he's the better player
If Zlatan goes to Spain and plays for Barca, or a top team over here, scores plenty of goals at either, and plays an important role in taking his team deep into Europe, and winning the league, then you can begin to say he's as good as Rooney. Because that's what Rooney has been doing for years now. The noose that hangs around Zlatans neck over his performances on the big occasion looms large, and until he addresses that, you just can't compare him to the brilliant Rooney
What exactly has Rooney done? I'm not aware of Rooney being rip roaring in the latter stages of the CL or constantly tearing the top sides apart.
Sorry if this sounds ignorant but how many has Rooney scored in the last 16 and who has he scored against?
In the biggest match of his career i thought Rooney was abysmal, does that imediately make me turn around and say he cant cut it? isn't world class or shouldnt be considered a world class player?
Sorry if this sounds ignorant but how many has Rooney scored in the last 16 and who has he scored against?
In the biggest match of his career i thought Rooney was abysmal, does that imediately make me turn around and say he cant cut it? isn't world class or shouldnt be considered a world class player?
He only played 22 league games last season, so I don't think he was in with a shout of being the best striker in the world at all.
Brwned said:
No. 26 league games 17 goals. 34 and 22 goals in all competitions.
Don't bother mate, they're in full wank off mode over him, things like sense and logic aint gunna mean anything to them
I find it utterly bizarre I keep coming onto a United forum, talking to United fans apparently, and being told I'm daft or stupid because I rate Wayne Rooney over such and such a player. And the worst is when complete retards come up with comments such as "What exactly has Rooney done?". feck me silly
No don't twist things. You're the one who's saying stuff like Rooney shouldn't be compared to Ibrahimovic. Saying they're on a similar level is a fair comment.
No one's calling you stupid if you rate Rooney over Zlatan, it's your opinion. However, saying they shouldn't be compared is bollocks. Rooney isn't streets ahead of Zlatan and neither is Zlatan streets ahead of Rooney.
Exactly, finally someone with a sense of perspective.
On the one had you have the reasonable people who rate Zlatan yet can still agree that Rooney is at op player. On the other hand you have the wild, almost obsessed Rooney fans who can't seem to take a bad word said about him.
Rooney has better technique? More natural ability?
The only thing attributes Rooney has that are greater than Ibrahimovic are workrate and flexibility. Yes he can play wide left or up front.
So Ibrahimovic isn't used as a wideman because every team he has been in has valued him so highly in his best position that they play him there no matter what, shame on Ibrahimovic.
Bingo, knew it. You're another one of those bullshitters who bangs on about complete and utter bollocks such as 'natural ability'
You lads believe what you like, and keep having your wanks over another teams player, even though there's better ones at your own club
1 against Porto in 08/09, 1 against Roma in 07/08, 2 against Milan in the semi's to win us the game 3-2 in 06/07, 2 against Roma(home and away) that season too.
6 in 20 games overall.
Despite not actually playing up front in plenty of those appearances n all
And yet he still wasn't close to Torres. Or Adebayor.
You could use similar stats for Eto'o that season as well, doesn't make it right to say he was up there with the best.
Yep, he was on the wing for 6 of them, and he scored in none of those games unsurprisingly.
6 goals in 14 Champions League starts up front in the knockout stages is quite impressive, not that we actually needed proof that Rooney's amazing.
Brad said:
Whatever. I rate Rooney highly, so does FV and even KingEric in this thread says he loves Rooney but he is comparable to Zlatan.
Yet you're getting so defensive over Rooney saying he shouldn't even be compared to Zlatan. It is wrong to compare two talented strikers? Look at the thread, no one has made any comments like "Zlatan is much better than Rooney", in fact its the other way round so maybe you should quit being defensive and realise that talented strikers will get compared.
I don't know really, I'm not going around saying "Zlatan is much better than Rooney", I rate both of them very highly. What's so wrong with that?
Brwned said:
That's just goalscoring stats, his overall play and creativity helped a poor Inter side (which they definitely were in that season) win the league which says it all.
Rooney has a good record in the last 16. But lets be honest, its hard to find a player who doesnt have a great record in the champions league compared to Ibrahimovic.
How about this :
Dirk Kuyt has 5 goals in 27 matches in the knockout stages of the champions league. Even he looks godly next to Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
How about this :
Dirk Kuyt has 5 goals in 27 matches in the knockout stages of the champions league. Even he looks godly next to Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
Not bad and not setting the world alight either, he likes bitching Roma (as do United) Porto are nothing and Milan, well we know what happend that year.
A bit of it is down to United being a great side. Not knocking Rooney for scoring 6 in 20, it's a decent record but who they are against and who you are playing for plays a part.
If Ibrahimovic played for United i dont doubt he'd have done the same.
I mean he can't score in the last 16 in the CL but yet he's scored against Roma and Milan plenty...
yeah and by that logic Kuyt is a better player than Ibrahimovic.
Does nobody else see the massive flaws in this "last 16" argument?
Dont ignore that they were against 3rd rate italian sides now....
So now no-one can appreciate a talented player who doesnt wear the shirt of the team they support?
Come on, we can form any opinions we like, my opinion is that Rooney is a top player. World class yet based on the last few years Ibrahimovic for my money has been a better player.
If that is to do with him playing in a weaker league or whatever then so be it, when he moves to La Liga/Prem we'll see how he does. I'm sure your fingers are crossed to have him fail.
yeah and by that logic Kuyt is a better player than Ibrahimovic.
Does nobody else see the massive flaws in this "last 16" argument?
He's a better player in the champions league thats for sure. But who isnt?
Does anyone see the massive flaws in your defence, that there are flaws in the "scoring in the last 16" argument?
A side needs their striker scoring goals to win the tournament. Its not really important if the player is 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 - its not about having a better record in the champions league. Its about having some form of record in the champions league. And despite playing in the champions league for 7 seasons Zlatan Ibrahimovic doesnt have a record to speak of in the last 16 of the tournament. He's yet to get off the mark - which is ridiculously poor from a decent player let alone a 'brilliant' one.
At least Rooney can do it against 3rd rate Italian teams in the Champions League, Ibrahimovic can't even do it against Werder Bremen, Real Madrid or Valencia, all of whom were worse than both Roma and Milan at the time.
Absolutely. I dont remember Franky saying he was appalled at Zlatan's record against these "3rd rate" teams when I listed the sides he's played and failed to score against
Circumstances have played a part and some poor performances also. His teams coming up against better sides, against lucky sides. His teams getting men sent off, his team mates failing to provide him with good chances/finishing the chances he creates for them. Playing with injury and playing whilst in poor condition physically have all contributed.
Yes it's a load of excuses and he's genuinely shit to be fair. Why would Barca be willing to swap eto'o, why are Real Madrid and Chelsea sniffing around him also when he'll clearly add nothing to these teams. In fact if anything, he'll be so rubbish that these teams will have no european aspirations if they sign Ibrahimovic.
If silly records are anything to go by they will at least win their domestic league every year but who cares about that when europe is clearly the only way any player can ever be judged.
Like with Rooney, people shouldn't judge him by his goalscoring record so much. He brings so much else to team.
People aren't judging him purely on his goalscoring record though, that's the thing.
If anyone was judging either Rooney or Ibrahimovic on the amount of goals they score they'd be stupid.
But at least Rooney has something to fall back on, something to base your argument on him being world class, Zlatan doesn't.
It doesn't make him a bad player, it just gives people ammunition to say he's not a top player.
I think he is a top player, but Rooney's still visibly better for me, and is 4 years younger.
If anyone was judging either Rooney or Ibrahimovic on the amount of goals they score they'd be stupid.
But at least Rooney has something to fall back on, something to base your argument on him being world class, Zlatan doesn't.
It doesn't make him a bad player, it just gives people ammunition to say he's not a top player.
I think he is a top player, but Rooney's still visibly better for me, and is 4 years younger.
Eto'o is in his last year of contract and Barcelona have been worried about him walking away for free for the past year.
And Zlatan Ibrahimovic signing for Real Madrid will certainly not mean they win their domestic league every year. They'd obviously come closer but he's not exactly Leo Messi - sorry.
You only call the champions league a "silly record" because Zlatan hasnt scored a decent number of goals in his last 16 outings. If he had a decent record you'd be shouting from the rooftops that its proof he's one of, if not the best striker in the world.
Face it, you love him and want to marry him but realise you'll never get to be with him so you're trying to turn this thread into a shrine for him, no matter how much you have to lie or pretend to achieve it.
We know you rate him highly. If you could just admit that his record is terrible, that he should have done better and that the only way to explain it is that he's an enigma who has all the tools at his disposal but never gets the job done in big tournaments, we'd all respect your opinion on Zlatan Ibrahimovic a lot more. Whereas right now I'm thinking everyone is of the opinion you're a fanatic who wont let logic or reason get in the way of your claims that Zlatan is the greatest - when clearly he just isnt and probably isnt close right now.
This isn't me knocking Rooney, i'm stating that in my opinion at this stage in their respective careers that Ibrahimovic is the better player.
Sure Rooney has scored a few against teams Ibrahimovic has scored against in the past but in a different set of circumstance so that makes it more impressive (whilst playing for the best team in europe, or at least one of the top 2 or 3).
Anyway, everyone can go on thinking Ibrahimovic is shit, can't cut it and bottles it and isn't half the player your Wayne is but simply i'm not buying it.
When he moves to spain or england and people actually pay some attention to his football i'll be proved correct. Arrogant as that may sound i'm that confident, just like i was that confident Messi was the best and would win all the accolades (i know he hasnt yet but it's a guarantee) despite the vast majority of posters on here ridiculing me for that opinion.
You can all ridicule me for this opinion too and i guess time will tell.
Also if you even look at some of the opinions of respect people in the world of football (not harry lungface redknapp or martin o'niell) you might find Ibrahimovic is actually rated as one of the best. Zidane just came out and said that if he was president he would bring him to Real...
Clearly, these people know nothing just like me.
I don't think that's at all arguable, Torres shits him.
Nice fabrications....
I said silly record regarding his title winning, where won it in holland, then for juve and then for inter. So going by his record he'd win the league with the next club he joins, that's the silly record i was refereing to.
I dont think he's the best in the world and never have, i rate him highly and think he is one of the best strikers on the planet and i would dare to compare him to wayne rooney, that has been my major error
Again you seem to think i think he is the greatest when i've never said anything of the sort. I think he is a world class striker, basically because he is, he is an elite footballer, why else would he be the main man at Juventus and then Inter Milan and be tipped to join Madrid, Barca or Chelsea...
if he wasnt world class he wouldn't be touted as a 30-50million pound player for one of the best in the world, he would be at spurs or something no?
Everyone always knocks on what Ibrahimovic has done, but in fairness he has won the league with every team he has played for.. He has scored in big games just not on the CL last 16.. When he does I want to see the replies to that, will he then be considered world-class?
Nice fabrications....
I said silly record regarding his title winning, where won it in holland, then for juve and then for inter. So going by his record he'd win the league with the next club he joins, that's the silly record i was refereing to.
I dont think he's the best in the world and never have, i rate him highly and think he is one of the best strikers on the planet and i would dare to compare him to wayne rooney, that has been my major error
Again you seem to think i think he is the greatest when i've never said anything of the sort. I think he is a world class striker, basically because he is, he is an elite footballer, why else would he be the main man at Juventus and then Inter Milan and be tipped to join Madrid, Barca or Chelsea...
if he wasnt world class he wouldn't be touted as a 30-50million pound player for one of the best in the world, he would be at spurs or something no?
Unfortunately not. Else Berbatov would be at Spurs...
Zlatan is clearly a fantastic player, one of the top strikers in the world (but currently nowhere close to being the absolute top) but his non-domestic scoring record is beyond terrible. Thats it really.
And as his scoring record in the champions league is so dire, it would obviously be a step down for Barcelona to swap Eto'o for him. I'm sure he can start scoring goals in the final 16, just not many and its getting quite late in the day for him to prove that he can actually do it.
Tevez has done the exact same thing except for at West Ham where Ibrahimovic obviously wouldnt have won the league either.
Its a nice record to have but it obviously helps when you only ever join the best team in each league.
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